Aliens, yay or nay?

[bombadil.360]

Funny thing; when carrying a camera whether still or moving was an uncommon thing, people would capture images of UFOs.
Now that almost everyone has both in their pocket everywhere they go, nobody is capturing images of UFOs.
It seems to me that the number of documented sightings should have gone up proportionally. But they didn't.
No UFOs and no aliens. Only undocumented ones.
Burn1

when I saw a ufo, I had my cell in my pocket; I took it out but did not want to miss the ufo flying; so could not even activate the video camera on it before it was gone...


anyway,

here's a video of a former Canadian Defense Ministry on ufo and aliens that visited us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gItOZbUoja8

peace

 

[Seal-Clubber]

And you apparently are participating in the thread by deciding who is smarter than whom and speculate about MY intelligence.


If you asked whether I BELIEVED that alien life exists elsewhere, I would say no. Is that really so hard to grasp?

yes.. some people would go so far as to say, for a self-perceived person of intelligence, you sure have a simple mind. It was only a few decades ago when humans found life in alien places in the depths of the Earth.

If they find alien life (microbes) on Mars, you should kick yourself in the ass a few times. lol... I know you probably meant, "there is no intelligent life in this galaxy or whatever", reading some of what you write, it makes me feel bad but we might agree.

 

[bill cooper]

so he casually says we were warned decades ago by aliens which would be the biggest story in human history then does not give any more details what so ever utter nonsense is the reason hes the former defense minister because he got sacked for being a fantasist nut job

 

[Anti]

Hank Hemp.. hahahaha I LOVE THAT PHOTO! it almost makes us look stupid or something! Anti, I`m not lying when I say, "i`ve had an experience".. You can ask me questions if you like, if you know much, you will know i`m not lying.

Ok. I've had many experiences. I guess I will ask you first what your experience was (since you didn't share it on your own) and then depending on the experience, I will ask if you have any evidence for it.

If you say you've experienced the bliss of tasting the color of oblivion, I will call b.s.

If you say you've experienced self-stimulation, I will believe you and not require evidence.

If you say you met some aliens, I will ask you for evidence.

 

[Anti]

yes.. some people would go so far as to say, for a self-perceived person of intelligence, you sure have a simple mind. It was only a few decades ago when humans found life in alien places in the depths of the Earth.

You skipped a line when you quoted me. Your quote (of me) looks like this:

And you apparently are participating in the thread by deciding who is smarter than whom and then speculating about MY intelligence.

If you asked whether I BELIEVED that alien life exists elsewhere, I would say no. Is that really so hard to grasp?

This was the full text in the segment you edited above:

And you apparently are participating in the thread by deciding who is smarter than whom and then having the bad taste to make many spelling errors while you speculate about MY intelligence.



If you asked me whether I thought it was PROBABLE that alien life exists somewhere, I would say yes. If you asked whether I BELIEVED that alien life exists elsewhere, I would say no. Is that really so hard to grasp?

So... you should be able to go back and re-read the parts of my answer to HempKat that you edited out in order to argue against the beginning and end of that statement. If you do, you'll have your answer. (I even underlined it for you.)

If they find alien life (microbes) on Mars, you should kick yourself in the ass a few times. lol... I know you probably meant, "there is no intelligent life in this galaxy or whatever", reading some of what you write, it makes me feel bad but we might agree.

Nope. If they find alien life (microbes or any other) on Mars, I will begin to believe in alien life. I will continue to speculate about intelligent alien life because I will still have no evidence for such.

You can believe the sky is full of invisible unicorns but that doesn't make it so.

I withhold belief in invisible unicorns until such time as there is good reason to start believing.

I vote NOT GUILTY.

Not Innocent.

How much clearer do I have to make myself?

 

[Growcephus]

yes.. some people would go so far as to say, for a self-perceived person of intelligence, you sure have a simple mind. It was only a few decades ago when humans found life in alien places in the depths of the Earth.

If they find alien life (microbes) on Mars, you should kick yourself in the ass a few times. lol... I know you probably meant, "there is no intelligent life in this galaxy or whatever", reading some of what you write, it makes me feel bad but we might agree.

One of the issues we face, as a species IMO, is that we THINK we are so fucking "intelligent".

We're not.

It took us 2000 years to come up with a use for the steam based concepts and engines discovered and used by the ancient Greeks before the time of Christ / Mohammad.

I don't give a fuck WHAT culture, clique, group of individuals you examine, the outcome will be the same. We are STILL operating at a base / instinctual level of "intelligence", and these instincts exert FAR more control over our behavior than any semblance of "rationality" that may come with any level of "intelligence".

IMO, any intelligent life capable of navigating through space-time to reach us, wouldn't be impressed by our "intelligence", but instead, would look at us the same way they would any other animal on the planet.

Extraterrestrial life, IMHO, would look at our "high speed" technology the same way WE look at the stick used by a chimp to dig out termites. Sure the stick is a "tool", and tool use shows "intelligence", but at the end of the day, it's STILL just a chimp with a stick.

What we see...

What "they" see...

Fortune and peace to you and yours!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hank Hemp]

The top or bottom

The top or bottom

I don't know hank. I know a couple guys who might have modeled for that 4th one.

I think they tried to slip a full breed alien in the second row.

 

[Canniwhatsis]

I think they tried to slip a full breed alien in the second row.

Top row brother.


4th one in the bottom row looks like this fool.....

 

[Jellyfish]

Huh?

 

[Canniwhatsis]

Referring to this post Jelly

It toke me several tries!!!
View Image

 

[BushyOldGrower]

The cross in Christianity and earlier pagan religions and is symbolizes the trinity.

This is because most ufos are triangular in shape.

I wonder if we will see ufos with what appear to us to be religious symbols on the side like our military craft.

Aliens use telepathy to communicate to humans so when this happens you know somethings up. Humans don't normally communicate this way anymore. We did once have the same ability all the animals still have.

Do you see your dogs communicating silently or other animals? Have you ever experienced telepathy for yourself?

Half breed human aliens? That may be another meaning of the cross. The genetic cross of races project. Perhaps to improve out species they did this or maybe to save their own selves from extinction. The greasy are said to be clones who steal our genetic material and some say out govt made a deal to allow them to do this.

Lotta cool ideas that have spread around our small planet and it all makes me wonder if they are out there or here or coming...I sure hope so.

Do ya think we need a new topic? How about Bigfoot? Is he an alien too?

 

[Seal-Clubber]

Aliens use telepathy to communicate to humans so when this happens you know somethings up.

..YES

Humans don't normally communicate this way anymore. We did once have the same ability all the animals still have.

..it`s a device planted into the ear, it`s a super computer.

Have you ever experienced telepathy for yourself?

will answer later on that one.

Half breed human aliens? That may be another meaning of the cross. The genetic cross of races project. Perhaps to improve out species they did this or maybe to save their own selves from extinction. The greasy are said to be clones who steal our genetic material and some say out govt made a deal to allow them to do this.

I think you are very correct on a few angles. Humans grow in a similar way, it`s like a social structure of development. Tragically, I think we are losing grasp on our culture. We need to remember culture and tradition has led to many fine (and terrible) things in this world. < The bullets and gun is meaningless unless intent to use it >

Lotta cool ideas that have spread around our small planet and it all makes me wonder if they are out there or here or coming...I sure hope so.

.They have been here for a while. You HAVE seen messengers but maybe not the body of the higher beings.


I think I sent a very meaningful PM to you a LOOOONG time ago on OG, BOG.. I would love to talk more on the subject. Did you have a close encounter before? I did, I can tell you in detail. ..It`s semi-ongoing. (as odd as that sounds) the worst you can do is say i`m imagining things or i`m lying. Those who do say these things (I dont tell anyone who wont believe it), will never know the truth.

 

[Anti]

So.... no evidence then?

 

[Seal-Clubber]

I edited and the website crashed.. bummer.


I saw that coming.. lol.. Edit.. Is that Richard Simmins or w/e? Oh hell yeah, that guy is an Alien for sure. He is probably part alien, idiot, poodle.

Growcephus, i agree.. Intelligence is a matter of well being. An ant is intelligent enough to build large and dynamic organizations. Mammals can think creatively to survive, warm blooded, on and on. We are not simply products of our environment. We have the luxury of using a 3-billion year old worm inside of our bodies called DNA/RNA/MIT. How we use it is our choice... We are left to build the ant hill, alone.. just watch out for that kid with a bad attitude who wants to shake the foundation and watch them start again. hehe..


Hey, Anti.. were we talking?

 

[Anti]

Hey, Anti.. were we talking?

Nah. You said you had an experience. I asked you about it. You decided to edit some of my statements so that you could deliberately misinterpret them...

seems like par for the course with the "scientists" on your side of the fence.

About what I expected, though was willing to keep an open mind about it.

Carry on.

 

[legalizeDK]

open mind.....sure

 

[Anti]

So no evidence, then?

 

[HempKat]

And you apparently are participating in the thread by deciding who is smarter than whom and then having the bad taste to make many spelling errors while you speculate about MY intelligence.

Ah yes the old fallback when you got nothing worthwhile to come back with, point out the spelling mistakes, good job. I guess you forgot about the post where I acknowledge not only were you smart but smart enough to know what I meant? Also I participated intially as was intended which was to talk about what my thoughts on the existance of aliens were. Then people like you started suggesting that to ask people to be open to the possability of aliens having come here was asking people to be so open their brains fall onto the ground.

If you asked me whether I thought it was PROBABLE that alien life exists somewhere, I would say yes. If you asked whether I BELIEVED that alien life exists elsewhere, I would say no. Is that really so hard to grasp?

I did ask you if it is probable that alien life existed elsewhere, I never asked if you believed alien life existed elsewhere. If however, you don't believe alien life exists elsewhere then I don't see how you could say it's probable. Probable essentially means it's likely enough to believe in the absence of proof.

Definition of PROBABLE

1: supported by evidence strong enough to establish presumption but not proof <a probable hypothesis>

2: establishing a probability <probable evidence>

3: likely to be or become true or real <probable outcome>

I'm not taking the position "it's not true" that would be like saying "INNOCENT" in my courtroom analogy. I am taking the position "I have seen no evidence that it is true" which would be like saying "NOT GUILTY" in my courtroom analogy.

OJ Simpson was found "NOT GUILTY". He was not found "INNOCENT." Can you grasp the difference between the two?

If you say you saw anything that is outside the boundaries of my experience, I am going to ask you for evidence. Failing evidence, how do I know you aren't mistaken, crazy or lying?

If I'm merely stating my own personal opinion why do you need to question it at all one way or another?

If you say you have a set of keys in your pocket, that's reasonable. YOu might be lying, but I've known lots of people who carry keys in their pocket. My worldview will not be shifted if I find out later that there were no keys.

If you say you have Michael Jackson's penis in your pocket, it's theoretically POSSIBLE that you got ahold of his wang and carry it around with you. I'm going to ask for evidence. And if you don't pull the wang out of your pocket, I'm going to assume you are lying or crazy or mistaken.

If you say you have the space shuttle discovery in your pocket, I know you are full of shit. Your pocket simply isn't big enough.

You are the one equating possible and probable with belief. You asked me if I believed in something. I said no. And I explained it.

No I never asked if you believed in something. I asked if you agreed that Intelligent Alien Life existing elsewhere in our universe was probable. I then went on to say if you agree it's probable then you should have no problem admitting it's possible they may have visited earth at some point in time. Although I disagree with your apparent position that belief can't fit with probable and possible. Sounds to me like you're confusing the idea of believing in something, with knowing something for certain.

Now that was based on me just asking if intelligent life might exist elsewhere, I never said anything about them actually having the ability to travel between galaxies but in your reply you came back with how you made a thread that calculated that not only was there intelligent life elsewhere in the universe but that there were 3,000,000 races that were intelligent and had the ability to travel between galaxies. Since that tidbit was all based on your calculations it should have been extremely easy for you to admit they may have been here.

If you go back and reread thru everything I said, I've said that based on the number of galaxies, stars and planets in the universe it's probable intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe but I don't believe they have been here because I don't believe they can overcome the vast distances between galaxies any better then we can.

Now you're attacking MY INTELLIGENCE rather than my argument. Good show!

No I'm not attacking your intelligence at all. Previously I said that I believe you are smart enough to know what I meant by something to which you responded "How could I possibly know what you meant" or something very similar to that. So I was merely admitting that maybe I overestimated your level of intelligence. Admitting I may have overestimated your intelligence is not attacking your intelligence.

Here you again attack my intelligence, while misspelling syllable.

Well what do you expect when you post nonsense like:

You: "blah blah, knowledge, blah, blah."

Me: "Yup."

END

Again in absense of anything meaningful you fall back on spelling mistakes. Ooooo and what a horrendous mistake it was, I transposed two letters. I guess I must have a bit of dyslexia? It's obvious the mistakes didn't prevent you from understanding what I was saying judging by your response though.

 

[HempKat]

So no evidence, then?

Okay so let me get this straight, you say that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence? Okay, well lets first examine what I've claimed. I've claimed that I believe it's probable there is intelligent alien life in the universe because of it's vastness. Now personally I don't think that's an extraordinary claim at all as there are millions of people out there who say they believe aliens exist. So I'd say that's a very ordinary claim and as such only requires ordinary proof.

So what is it then I need to prove? I'd say it's that I need to prove that I believe that it's probable intelligent alien life exists because of the size of the universe. Okay no problem, that's easy to prove. This is a thread asking whether or not people believe in the existence of aliens. I made a post on page 5 that ended up being post #69 it reads as follows:

I don't know from any sort of personal first hand experience if there are aliens out there or not but when you start to examine and understand just how big the universe is, it's unlikely the we are the only form of "intelligent life" out there. Recent understanding of the universe has begun to reveal that what we thought was originally so vast that statistically there must be other life, turns out to only be a small segment of the entire universe. In other words even though we thought the odds make it statistically impossible if our latest understanding of the universe is correct then it's so much more statistically improbable that the likelihood we are the only intelligent life is so infintesimally small that it's all but impossible. Like you would have a greater chance of winning the superbowl, hitting a megamillion jackpot and getting struck by lightning simultaneously then for us to be the only intelligent life out there.

Of course this new understanding also tends to rule out other notions we have such as there are evil aliens that want to enslave us or rape our planet for it's recources. The universe is so unbelievably vast and the things in it so far apart that an alien race would use far more resources trying to get to us to take ours, then they would get from us if they ever did make it here. Then there is the matter of getting said resources back to their home galaxy or planet. If they had the technology to somehow make that different they would be well beyond needing anything we have here on earth.

Now as for the notion that it will never happen that aliens will come to us or we will go to them. I can't say that for sure. What I can say is that as we understand things now it's not possible. However lots of things that weren't possible in the past now are. At the dawn of flight with the Wright brothers, at that moment in time the idea of us having hundreds of jets darting back and forth all over the globe in a matter of hours still seemed very unlikely. That first flight only lasted a short time and went a very limited distance. All we learned then was it was possible to fly. Over many following years though we've turned it into the very thing that seemed unlikely back then. Right now long distance space flight and/or deep exploration seems very unlikely based on what we know right now. In the future who knows? Maybe while trying some of the more limited things like landing on a passing asteroid (one of our more likely upcoming space attempts) we stumble on new understandings and technologies that have the potential to take us much farther then we can currently imagine.

Our ability to imagine is important though because imagination comes first. Not that long ago it was pure science fiction to have portable communications devices like on Star Trek with their communicators. Move ahead 50 years and virtually everyone has cellular phones that aren't much different, even small children have them. Once it was pure science fiction to have a powerful handheld computing device that interacts with it's surrounding environment wirelessly like the tricorders in Star Trek, now we have ipads and bluetooth and you can even control your home while you are out of town. So is it possible things will change in the future, yes very possible, even likely. If we can manage not to kill ourselves off before we get there.

There you go, proof positive that I believe it is probable that intelligent life exists elsewhere in this universe. Feel free to examine it all you like.

 

[Anti]

Wasn't talking to you Hemp. I know this is probably hard for you to understand, but there's a whole bunch of people in this thread claiming to *KNOW* that Aliens are visiting the planet.

It is the people who BELIEVE (as opposed to those who speculate, like the two of us) that I am asking for evidence from.

Smoke a fucking bowl, man.