Michigan dispensaries seem fucked, lets talk about it shall we?

[OrganicOzarks]

I know some clubs in Arizona were charging a "membership fee" to enter the premises. It just so happen to be the exact same amount that an 1/8 cost. There are always ways around the law. The problem is you have to risk going to prison to be the person that finally get's over on the popo.

 

[Tjsleaf_1817]

[ I certainly won't feel sorry for dispensaries if they fall, patients and honest caregivers are a much better system for everyone involved.[/quote]

I agree. The only caregivers that need dispensaries are the ones that cant get rid of there smoke so they take it up to dispensary wer they buy it off them for 200 oz and turn around and sell it to the patients for 400 oz.lol. how is this helping the patient. SHUT EM DOWN..

 

[vertigo0007]

Hey Cabron. If you dont mind a couple a questions?

Could you tell us where this happened in MI? Just N,S,E,W not exact.

Also when did it happen? It probably was not after the Green case in DEC and now this case. They both have clearly laid out Se c4 immunity and Sec 8 Affirmitive defense. I have also heard mentioned of the same type of situation that has happened to you but also know of successful dismissals.

Courts will have a hard time doing what they did to you now and if they do the appeals court will likely grant a dismissal.

Im going to answer the basics as i know hes busy with this shit.

SW MI. Before.

 

[TheArchitect]

[ I certainly won't feel sorry for dispensaries if they fall, patients and honest caregivers are a much better system for everyone involved.

I agree. The only caregivers that need dispensaries are the ones that cant get rid of there smoke so they take it up to dispensary wer they buy it off them for 200 oz and turn around and sell it to the patients for 400 oz.lol. how is this helping the patient. SHUT EM DOWN..[/QUOTE]

how is that helping a patient?

what if said patient is some 60 year old lady, i doubt she knows many growers or dealers unless already involved in the game.

so now that its legal, maybe convenience, walk in walk out, no calling your dealer and waiting for them?

quality control, if your dealer brings you some moldy boo boos what are you going to do?

i could go on....

im not saying they dont charge a premium, but hell, you go open a store front and tell me how much it cost to run. there is a reason 100% markup is standard in retail industries...





anyway im tagging for this, im interested to see how it plays out.

 

[bobblehead]

I agree. The only caregivers that need dispensaries are the ones that cant get rid of there smoke so they take it up to dispensary wer they buy it off them for 200 oz and turn around and sell it to the patients for 400 oz.lol. how is this helping the patient. SHUT EM DOWN..

It's not necessarily a matter of needing dispensaries, but a matter of convenience. An open store front where thousands of people can walk through and make purchases qausi-legally? Yes please. If you're only getting 200 a z, then you need to up your quality... because the people I know unloading their meds at the dispensary for 200 a z are either pushing a few lbs a week, have B grade meds, or just poor negotiating skills.

I just stopped at my regular dispensary this morning... they have no plans of shutting down. It's business as usual.

 

[Tjsleaf_1817]

You do realize these dispensary owners are also growers and many our part of collectives that grow lbs upon lbs of their own pot they sell in there dispensary. So now whats there reason for selling it for 400 oz to a sixty year old lady living on social security and collecting medicare. They are a joke.

 

[Tjsleaf_1817]

And I got no problem gettin rid of my pot cuz unlike alot of people that jumped on the bandwagon or moved from cali or colorado or sent people over here to open these dispensary once the laws passed, I was growin before they ever did. So was my dad and then my grandpa before him. The whole reason the caregiver patient system was set up was so it wouldnt be like Cali. Last thing I want is big businesses comin and trampln over the smaller growers that only run two or three lights.

 

[TheArchitect]

have you ever owned a business?


i bet not.

do you understand it is still federally illegal?

obviously you dont understand how that might effect price and risk when your operating out in the open.

rent?

poperty insurance?

employees?

utilities?

taxes?

need i go on?



when the feds back off you can bet prices will drop, until then, expect to pay a premium to be able to walk into a storefront and buy pot while its illegal.

 

[Tjsleaf_1817]

Taxes, they aint paying taxes. Theyre a nonprofit friend u should kno that. And the prices aint gonna go down when the Feds back down cuz the only way theyre gnna back down is when they start taxin it. So if anything then the prices are gonna up even more.

 

[vertigo0007]

Retail 'cannabis price deflation' is a fallacy.

 

[TheArchitect]

property taxes?

hello????

and yes when the feds back off prices will drop, regardless of taxes, which is likely to be a percentage anyway, because the supply will drastically increase.

 

[TheArchitect]

Retail 'cannabis price deflation' is a fallacy.

no its not.

ill concede you'll still see 400 dollar ozs, but youll also be able to find reliable commercial for 100 an oz at the corner store.

 

[bobblehead]

You do realize these dispensary owners are also growers and many our part of collectives that grow lbs upon lbs of their own pot they sell in there dispensary. So now whats there reason for selling it for 400 oz to a sixty year old lady living on social security and collecting medicare. They are a joke.

And I got no problem gettin rid of my pot cuz unlike alot of people that jumped on the bandwagon or moved from cali or colorado or sent people over here to open these dispensary once the laws passed, I was growin before they ever did. So was my dad and then my grandpa before him. The whole reason the caregiver patient system was set up was so it wouldnt be like Cali. Last thing I want is big businesses comin and trampln over the smaller growers that only run two or three lights.

I'm confused as to what it is you're so pissed off about. If you don't want dispensary cash, then don't patronize them. If you can offer patients a better deal than a dispensary, do it. If the dispensary can charge $400 an oz, good for them! I can't. I mean I could, but I would have to sit on my product for much longer, and answer every phone call and drive all over and then wait to get paid in full... and who knows how long that's going to take, if I get paid at all. Even your most trusted contact can flake on you at any time. On the flip side, you have a legitimate business model for distributing cannabis. When I have my overrages, I can unload all of them within a short period of time. The quality of my medicine in tested, so there is something factual to say mine is better than the next guy's and that's why it's on the table. Because it's the best medicine available. Anyway, I make my drop, and I come back the next week and pick up my money. Like clock work. 1x a week I spend 1-1.5 hours of my life making most of my cannabis transactions. I'll take $3.6 for that convenience. I'll be coming down in the future as production increases and I need to move my meds faster... because I trust the people I'm working with. I would rather sell for $3.2 than risk getting ripped off. I mean really, isn't this supposed to be compassionate care? Isn't that what the original argument was... How about this... I got bitched out because I charge so much and they can never put my meds on sale. They want to provide my meds at a lower cost, but I have to take part of the hit. Like The Architect said, having a store front, lawyers, employees, taxes etc... gets expensive. They deserve the money they're making for the service they provide in the current state of the market.

 

[MIway]

TJ...u just angry, but i get that...working my way out of that funk as well... But...

The same basic groups of people are behind all the medi laws...cali, co, wa, here...same basic cats r involved. The motivations are basic...to get as much as they feel possible through the voters in order to alter & legitimize the marijuana market. Ultimately, it can be argued its about the dollar and lessening the legal risk. Rhetoric is about patients and medicinal value ...and there is truth behind that, but its much more about growing and selling 'legally', in as much as they can past the voters. MI aint no different, never was.

And technically, they do pay retail sales tax...in some areas, the ones smart enough to license and regulate it. Not for profit doesnt mean people dont make money, including the govt. And if they passed some laws, they could make additional fees on licensing, permitting and inspections...plus a hefty sin tax to boot. A lot of money could go into the system...my vote is to deaignate it away from the general fund and earmark it for education and preventative medical care. Wow, wouldnt that be nice?

They could put quality protocols in place, along with testing and inspection. They could put into place osha standards to facility grows...and epa & fda...good or bad as it might be,it could become a much safer product to both grow and consume. We could have standards.

But guess what? The new sc ruling screws over the considerate cg, along with most patients, sick or otherwise. A cg can only assist their registered patients...and patients cant help other patients. Even if you have 5 pats that take all u can produce...they are no longer protected in what they do with all that weight. Now u cant do anything to help the other pats that dont have cgs either, even if they knew you and had no where else to go. Properly run dips can be a valuable venue for all the supply and demand to balance out. Now, with the new ruling, farmers markets can come under attack as well.

It all depends on the municipality and how they choose to enforce, but the ruling isnt a good thing for anyone.

 

[Tjsleaf_1817]

Yea maybe I am a lil angry but im not the only one. Its plain to see from these other guys posts the only reason they even want dispensaries to stay open is for personal gain cuz they wouldnt be able to get rid of their overages without them. Guess ur in the wrong business then. When they shut em down guess youll just have to sit on all that pot u grow and answer all those phone calls but hey thats how it been done for all these years. that all im gnna say n srry for hatin but I got a lil chip on my shoulder.

 

[Burning Tree]

Tjsleaf is a tool. Why does every post about dispensary's have to bring out the old man whiner that sees people making some cash in a quasi legal venue and they get all bent out of shape.

News flash no one wants outdoor Pinconning Paraylzer or Monkey Paw you, your daddy, and grand daddy grew in the same cornfield for the past 50 years on the 45th parallel.

Adapt or Die. You sound like someone that the dispensarys turned away when you offered it at $200 an oz and got butt hurt.

And yes it's business as usual around here. Waiting to see if the county prosecutor makes any moves. Either way people need meds and that HAS NOT changed. As far as I am concerned this ruling will get rid of all the chumps on both sides grow/retail. See ya, dont need ya, never did, had it down before the law said it was ok to give it a try Johnny.

 

[megayields]

I'm confused as to what it is you're so pissed off about. If you don't want dispensary cash, then don't patronize them. If you can offer patients a better deal than a dispensary, do it. If the dispensary can charge $400 an oz, good for them! I can't. I mean I could, but I would have to sit on my product for much longer, and answer every phone call and drive all over and then wait to get paid in full... and who knows how long that's going to take, if I get paid at all. Even your most trusted contact can flake on you at any time. On the flip side, you have a legitimate business model for distributing cannabis. When I have my overrages, I can unload all of them within a short period of time. The quality of my medicine in tested, so there is something factual to say mine is better than the next guy's and that's why it's on the table. Because it's the best medicine available. Anyway, I make my drop, and I come back the next week and pick up my money. Like clock work. 1x a week I spend 1-1.5 hours of my life making most of my cannabis transactions. I'll take $3.6 for that convenience. I'll be coming down in the future as production increases and I need to move my meds faster... because I trust the people I'm working with. I would rather sell for $3.2 than risk getting ripped off. I mean really, isn't this supposed to be compassionate care? Isn't that what the original argument was... How about this... I got bitched out because I charge so much and they can never put my meds on sale. They want to provide my meds at a lower cost, but I have to take part of the hit. Like The Architect said, having a store front, lawyers, employees, taxes etc... gets expensive. They deserve the money they're making for the service they provide in the current state of the market.

 

[TheArchitect]

Yea maybe I am a lil angry but im not the only one. Its plain to see from these other guys posts the only reason they even want dispensaries to stay open is for personal gain cuz they wouldnt be able to get rid of their overages without them. Guess ur in the wrong business then. When they shut em down guess youll just have to sit on all that pot u grow and answer all those phone calls but hey thats how it been done for all these years. that all im gnna say n srry for hatin but I got a lil chip on my shoulder.

Lol, I wouldn't have 6 lights in my basement if I had trouble moving my product.

It is nice though, if I happen to have a bit laying around from last harvest, when a new one comes in, to move the older stuff to the club for a discount.

 

[wingdings]

Some people are missing the point, dispensary owners in Michigan are in the process of getting their own law. They don't want us to have the right to grow, they would like to take that from us because "they can produce safer meds in a safer environment"
Its all phony obviously, they can produce meds cheaper for themselves and bump up their customer base, especially without those darn compassionate caregivers giving away quality meds and concentrates to those in real need!

 

[bobblehead]

When they shut em down guess youll just have to sit on all that pot u grow and answer all those phone calls but hey thats how it been done for all these years.

And this is why you will never grow as a person, and become something more than a pot farmer. Being a slave to your phone is no way to live your life. To each their own I suppose... but I would rather wholesale and let somebody else do the work of breaking down my meds, so that I can spend more time in the garden, as well as attend grad school, work a part time job, and cut out some sort of time for a social life... and not spend all of my time answering phone calls being a drug dealer. That doesn't mean I'm incapable... Being a drug dealer isn't a tough job to qualify for. I don't need to use my business degree for that. Even if the dispensaries weren't around, I would still be able to move all of my meds w/o a problem to 1 person. I choose to use the dispensary because if they get robbed, they're still going to pay me. Their checks always clear, and the cash spends the same as cash off the streets. Do the people you sell to have security systems that will capture video evidence if you get robbed, and the police are actually going to help you because you pay taxes to the city? This is still a dangerous game, and people do get robbed of their meds regularly. I'm sure your dad and grandpappy have told you about that, hopefully it's never happened to you.

There's a whole list of other things to be angry about... Like the fact that medicare reimburses hospital for the stipend they pay their residents... So in effect part of your tax dollars are going to physician training... but I'm betting you don't have health insurance and a physician doesn't want to treat you unless you have insurance or deep pockets.

Anyway... That's my perspective.