House & Garden Nutrients

[UnknownProphet]

^news to me...I find H&G to be almost too much N. Never have I had any problems with lack of pallor in the leaves prior to flushing. And it actually takes quite an aggressive flush to get out the color.

Many of the problems pertaining to lack of N could have infinite variables as to why, BESIDES the availability of Nitrogen. IE if their PH is off the nutrient can cause lock out and not allow uptake or vice versa and over do the uptake.

Believe what you will Leev, but just because you work at a hydro shop with people complaining about H&G, doesn't mean a thing. Not trying to be a dick, but I constantly school my grow shop dude and when ever he sees my garden he always asks my recipe. And he's been in the industry for 10+ years and gone through more products than I can remember. But I feel that those who work in shops are almost like blinded politicians because they have constant lobbyists (product reps) telling them that their product will make their plant shit diamonds. Not to mention don't you grow completely organically? That alone would keep you from promoting chemical ferts. Anyways it's obvious it works for some, but not for you, although that doesn't mean you should claim that their line is incomplete.

 

[drknockbootz]

been using h&g for over 4 years, consistantly. Never had a problem with nitrogen unless it was grower error(me). H&g has more nitrogen than majority of other nutes. Majority of bases contain everything the plant need. If theres a def. than more than likely its a grower error.

 

[Kit Kat]

^news to me...I find H&G to be almost too much N. Never have I had any problems with lack of pallor in the leaves prior to flushing. And it actually takes quite an aggressive flush to get out the color.

I'm finding this as well, when using the H&G schedule from their nutrient calculator I started having signs of N toxicity. The schedule also called for a 2.0-2.2 EC of A+B before adding Shooting Powder, which would've made the final EC nearer to 3.0.

Next time around I won't be going over 1.2 with A+B (8ml/g) regardless.

 

[farmdalefurr]

kitkat got it right

8ml/gallon has been dead on for me

 

[shuswap]

perhaps we can share our recipes,i have been following the european one and at three weeks flower there calling for 16ml gal a/b with a ppm of around 1200
and again with drip clean do u need runoff using the product?

okay i cant find my god damn camera,lower leaves,pretend the length of the leave was cut in half,the half towards the tip of the leave starts to yellow,then turns up then browns and dies,plants were fed 2 days ago,so i just put 7.2 ph 250 ppm water thru and got out 6.2 ph and 440 ppm,that seems fine.from what i am seeing its a magnesium deficiency

 

[Kit Kat]

perhaps we can share our recipes,i have been following the european one and at three weeks flower there calling for 16ml gal a/b with a ppm of around 1200
and again with drip clean do u need runoff using the product?

I did the 16ml/g at about the same time and by end of week four was seeing dark dark green leaves and definite N toxicity signs.

With drip clean at 0.4ml/g you'll keep your lines clear. DHF recommends 1ml/g to keep the medium 'clear' if you are not running off.

 

[MaynardG_Krebs]

perhaps we can share our recipes,i have been following the european one and at three weeks flower there calling for 16ml gal a/b with a ppm of around 1200
and again with drip clean do u need runoff using the product?

okay i cant find my god damn camera,lower leaves,pretend the length of the leave was cut in half,the half towards the tip of the leave starts to yellow,then turns up then browns and dies,plants were fed 2 days ago,so i just put 7.2 ph 250 ppm water thru and got out 6.2 ph and 440 ppm,that seems fine.from what i am seeing its a magnesium deficiency

I recommend doing runoff no matter what. I've not been using dripclean for a while, but next time i'm around an H&G dealer I'm gettin me a bottle..

mgk

 

[Peacheater81]

I love H&G. I use Aqua flakes DTW in coco....I have also used Coco. I have switched from SP to Moab. I use Sea Green and it def helps so I dropped DC.

 

[socialist]

They are going to pay you to take H&G out of there store?? Expensive products! They may say they are giving you 50% off of there price... but is there price 20% higher than MSRP?? THe profit margin on most H&g is 40-43%.

There price is 10% lower than MSRP. They are a new store in my area and I've thrown them a lot of business since they opened. I can't say for sure this is the reason for the discount but I plan on asking about it when I go into to purchase next week. I'll keep you guys posted.


Also I'd like to say thanks to everyone for their contributions to this thread. You have provided me with a quick and through education on H&G.

 

[drknockbootz]

Im using amino treatment for the first time. It was tough shelling out money for it. But I had to give it a try and see if its worth it.

Funny thing is I just finished a flowering a run where I used most of the line up for the first 4 weeks and got lazy and ran the base only the rest of the way. I think I pulled around .8 -.9 gpw. I need to run the base from beginning to end without additives and see how well it does.

 

[shuswap]

is anyne using the algen longer then the canadian recipe? they say to stop it in week 3 flower ,im using it right thru flower as it makes mre sense to me but maybe im missing something?

 

[vStagger Leev]

^news to me...I find H&G to be almost too much N. Never have I had any problems with lack of pallor in the leaves prior to flushing. And it actually takes quite an aggressive flush to get out the color.

Many of the problems pertaining to lack of N could have infinite variables as to why, BESIDES the availability of Nitrogen. IE if their PH is off the nutrient can cause lock out and not allow uptake or vice versa and over do the uptake.

Believe what you will Leev, but just because you work at a hydro shop with people complaining about H&G, doesn't mean a thing. Not trying to be a dick, but I constantly school my grow shop dude and when ever he sees my garden he always asks my recipe. And he's been in the industry for 10+ years and gone through more products than I can remember. But I feel that those who work in shops are almost like blinded politicians because they have constant lobbyists (product reps) telling them that their product will make their plant shit diamonds. Not to mention don't you grow completely organically? That alone would keep you from promoting chemical ferts. Anyways it's obvious it works for some, but not for you, although that doesn't mean you should claim that their line is incomplete.

Sorry, I may have worded that wrong. I have no reason to not rep H&G, I know what there products can do, it's quite amazing, thought I think everything lacks a definitive flavor. We have people who pump out 3lb's/K consistently with H&G, and I support them, even though I go for organics. There products truly work, I just dont agree with using chemicals for products we ingest, even though i've used them, I try not to. I will always support there Roots Excelurator, and there Amino Treatment... again, amazing products! I have nothing against H&G except for this.. there labeling, just say WHAT THE HELL is in the products! And BTW any "rep" I talk to about there products I take as a pile of shit spewing through the phone until I try the product, or people I know try the product, most of the shit out there is just snake oil and bilge water. Much love! SL

 

[socialist]

I pulled the trigger and went and got H&G Aqua Flakes, Drip Clean, Amino, roots, and Bud XL. I wont bee using it for another 3 weeks though. I plan on using AN's overdrive. Now what to do with the B-52 I still have?

 

[Biatchzxz]

I'm super happy so far with my ladies in the H&G full line. I def use other stuff in between but mostly h&gs line. And so far so great. Haven't harvested yet with them but coming up in a few weeks so I will def let you guys know how it worked out. I'm really hoping the flavor doesn't lack. Ill be honest. I don't know if its just my nose and sense of smell is just shot cause idk I barely smell that much aroma in my Sour OGs which should Friiggin stink the fucking life out of a room. But a buddy of mine def says what your bugging. This whole place reeks and I love it. So maybe it's just me. But hopefully it's not the line lacking in flavor an aroma. Which I HIGHLY doubt. I've been supplementing with Roots Organics line hear and there Aerated for 24-48 hours. To get some good organic goodness in there and replenishing the bennies. Def is helping though. And I've def come to a decision on not using the Shooting Powder. Just ordered some M.O.A.B a few days ago. Since all I've been reading and seeing is about it. And how people rather us that then the SP so just gotta try it. Def want a good finishing product so that's gonna prolly be it. Or Kool bloom powder well see what's up. But I def think H&G is super quality nutrients and I would 100% recommend it to anyone

 

[Caravaggio]

Just picked up Cocos A&B, haven't really done anything with HG yet but looking forward to it.

What EC are you guys running when using this stuff and ive heard it's ok on its own and i planned to run it just by itself but also have a bottle of BUD XL I would like to add in. Their feeding charts are kinda odd.

Any advice?

 

[Biatchzxz]

Just picked up Cocos A&B, haven't really done anything with HG yet but looking forward to it.

What EC are you guys running when using this stuff and ive heard it's ok on its own and i planned to run it just by itself but also have a bottle of BUD XL I would like to add in. Their feeding charts are kinda odd.

Any advice?

Yeah def run the Bud XL in mid floweing. Ull def like it. And yeah ive seen people run just the base nutes and have great results. So don't worry. You'll absołutely love this line. Promise. If you use it once ull see how your plants perk up overnight. Good luck and welcome to the family

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

I used the a + b for awhile,was pretty solid.......grew the plants nicely but I would notice a plastic like aftertaste with the nuggs......maybe I wasn't flushing right but since I changed to pbp I notice no such after taste and have not flushed differently......pbp for the win...for me.......I will still use the a + b for veg plants.......seems to have a bit more N than the flora grow or pbp grow........I dont know what this ec talk is but I've never even once checked a ec..I dont even know what a ec is.....just keep the ph between 5.6 and 6.2.....

 

[Caravaggio]

Yeah def run the Bud XL in mid floweing. Ull def like it. And yeah ive seen people run just the base nutes and have great results. So don't worry. You'll absołutely love this line. Promise. If you use it once ull see how your plants perk up overnight. Good luck and welcome to the family

What weeks would you add Bud XL and what ML per gal on each are you guys doing?

 

[Caravaggio]

I used the a + b for awhile,was pretty solid.......grew the plants nicely but I would notice a plastic like aftertaste with the nuggs......maybe I wasn't flushing right but since I changed to pbp I notice no such after taste and have not flushed differently......pbp for the win...for me.......I will still use the a + b for veg plants.......seems to have a bit more N than the flora grow or pbp grow........

pbp?

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

bontanicare pure blend pro......