Aliens, yay or nay?

[bill cooper]

Crop circles have been debunked BOG and ufo's are real there's just no evidence that there alien spaceships and no reason to believe that's what they are either lol i don't believe in god or gods or aliens visiting the earth now or in the past and thats because i tend to believe in things that have evidence to back them up rather than someones over active imagination

 

[gaiusmarius]

not sure if you can say every single crop circle has been debunked, but it seems more then most are actually man made. just watch that documentary that was posted about crop circles.

 

[bombadil.360]

did we watch the same film? he debunked those religious pics quite well showing many versions with the same or similar looking symbols representing the sun and the moon. they all showed the sun and moon with faces, or some with a man stading on the sun or the moon or next to the sun and the moon and also with man inside just like in this pic. even that shape that looks like a space craft is known to be used for representing the sun and the moon in those kind of iconic images from that era.

I read a synopsis of the documentary, it took me 25 minutes to read instead of the +3 hours of the movie...

I'm certainly not an expert in medieval art, which spans for almost 1000 years...

I did see the similar paintings in the synopsis, but I'm still not convinced... there were only two out of the paintings that show something similar, and only in shape, without any whole-bodied men within.

the other paintings were simple circles with faces, or chariots with horses; and honestly, that's not the same at all.

also, the people who indeed are knowledgeable on the subject do not even agree on what those two symbols in the Serbian painting actually represent, in the wikipedia article about Visoki Decani (name of the Serbian monastery where the painting is at), says:

"On the "The Crucifixion" fresco, painted in 1350, objects similar to UFOs can be found. They represent two comets that look like space ships, with two men inside of them, and are often quoted by Ufologists"

so is it comets or the sun and the moon?

also, the sun is always masculine when represented anthropomorphically and the moon always female; however, in the paining in question, both persons are male

peace!

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Of course there is aliens, they appear every morning infront of the home depot.

 

[bombadil.360]

Which is really more likely according to science? A super being all powerful and all knowing or some other people next door?

I will believe anything but god seems a lot more far fetched.

the problem with trying to answer the question of where we came from by using the alien argument, is that it's a simple sock-puppet argument.

this means that you do not solve the question of who is actually animating the sock-puppet, you actually answer that it is another sock-puppet

in other words, when the dudes in the 'ancient aliens' series state that human beings are the genetic creation of extraterrestrials, you are left wondering: so then, how and why did these extraterrestrials came to be?

if you say: well, other aliens, then whence did those other aliens come from? ad-infinitum.

hence why it's called a sock-puppet argument, as it never reaches the source.

peace.

 

[Anti]

Never be certain that what you think is probably true really is.

Nothing is certain but death and taxes. But I have pretty good evidence that the sun will probably come up tomorrow.

Nobody has ever debunked ufos or even crop circles. The shallow views prevalent world wide just reflect the fear and ignorance that has always plagued us.

Debunking is something skeptics do to attempt to calm down "true believers". The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

Therefore, if you claim to have KNOWLEDGE that aliens exist, the burden is on you to prove it, not on me to debunk it.

Can you prove that there are no invisible, intangible unicorns flying circles around my grow room? Of course you can't. Does that mean we all should believe in invisible, intangible unicorns? Of course not.

Is it aliens or angels from God visiting. Do you believe in god but not ufos?

I don't believe in God, angels or visiting aliens, but I would be happy to look at any evidence you have for any of them.

 

[noyd666]

i intend to be your leader.

 

[lost in a sea]

whats that got to do with anything

what's anything got to do with anything??

if you don't get it then you don't get it..

 

[Hank Hemp]

Has anybody begin converted yet one way or the other?

 

[Jellyfish]

Human beings are so weird. We're the only ones on this whole planet that look up at the sky like everything we need isn't right here in front of our stupid faces. It's a wonder we don't all drown from looking up during a rainstorm.

 

[noyd666]

i think the sky is a much nicer place,to look at anyway.

 

[lost in a sea]

the sky full of planets, whom we used to venerate out of fear..

man fears the sky, its heavily woven into our individual and collective psyche.. some inherently wonder why their fascination is so strong and without any good answers or knowledge provided they convert what they see in the media and films into "reality", it's kind of a post modernist nihilist symptom caused by the bar for human understanding being set so low compared to any other time, but also the result of 2500 years of "catholicism" and the damage that has done to morality and truth..

 

[HempKat]

The reason i said about being absusive was because i was earlier in the thread which i regret and the reason i asked you what aliens being in contact with man in the past would proove was because i was genuinly curious to see what nonsense you would come away with so how does that make me a liar maybe you should try watching the video again you might learn something which could save you from spouting your ignorant nonsense in the future and making a clown of yourself again but some how i doubt you will bother ignorance is bliss eh

Like I said, I did watch your video and when I heard the narrator doing the exact same thing he claims the people he was debunking did, I knew it was whack. You can't prove someone is a liar by lying about what the liar was supposedly lying about.

Niether am I spouting anything other then people should remain open minded about things they can niether prove or disprove. The only clown here is the one insisting he knows this is all ignorant nonsense since there is no way to know that for sure. That clown of course would be you.

 

[HempKat]

Nobody has ever debunked ufos or even crop circles.

Sure they have, don't you know they went into this bar and a bunch of drunks said, "Yeah, you know that crop circle thing? We did it just to rile folks up". Debunked my ass. I never really thought much of the whole crop circle thing because it just doesn't make sense to form elaborate patterns the just make absolutely know sense, not even as impressions from a supposed alien craft. I think even less though of something being debunked by a claim from a bunch of drunks at a bar. They may have done one or two themselves after hearing about crop circles but there is no way that debunks all of the crop circles. Just because you can demonstrate an alternative way something can be done doesn't mean it's they only way. We can now make artificle diamonds, does that mean that the idea diamonds form naturally is all out the window now? Of course not.

Yes that video seeming to do a good job at debunking the claims of that particular show they were debunking but they hardly debunked every story of alien visitation and interaction. I'm not sure if it was Billy boy's intention but the video seemed to go about debunking the story I reference. Except that it wasn't the story I referenced. It just used certain similar phrases like things being laser smooth. I'm sure in Bill's mind though because the story I mentioned referenced lasers he thinks his video debunks mine too. It doesn't.

I'll be the first to admit there are people that have siezed the opportunity to capitalize on peoples beliefs by compiling seemingly compelling works of fiction. I won't be so ignorant though as to suggest it proves that it's all fiction. If it just happened in one region or one specific time period I might be inclined to agree but seeing as how it has happened time and time again perhaps all the way back to the beginning of mankind and in very differently evolving regions all over the world, it seems less likely that it's all a hoax.

That being said I personally don't believe any alien life has visited here in space craft because of the distance issue between stars and gallaxies and the physics involved in traversing those distances as a solid living life form. I'm open to the possibility though because otherwise there's alot of things that just don't add up with what we think we know.

Perhaps the better question is do we really know as much as we think we know? There was a time when we actually believed that all illness was a matter of being possessed by evil spirits and the height of medical science said the way to deal with it was to cut people and drain out the evil with some of their blood. Look how far our understanding of medicine has come since then. The length of time we've been trying to understand and improve space travel is just a fraction of the same time period it took to elevate our understanding of medical science. Not even one fourth the time. Who knows, maybe we'll come to learn it is possible to travel faster then the speed of light in the next 100 years or so? If we do then the idea of alien visitation becomes more possible then it seems now.

 

[Anti]

people should remain open minded about things they can niether prove or disprove.

I think open-mindedness is good, but your mind needn't be so open that your brain falls out.

I dare anyone here to PROVE that invisible, intangible unicorns are not flying around in the air above their heads.

Lacking proof, should we keep an open mind that invisible, intangible unicorns are real? Sure.. We should remain willing to consider the POSSIBILITY as soon as there is sufficient EVIDENCE.

Until then, feel free to ignore the unicorns. They don't seem to be bothering anybody.

Without some evidence of their existence, how do we tell invisible, intangible unicorns from NON-EXISTANT unicorns?

 

[HempKat]

I think open-mindedness is good, but your mind needn't be so open that your brain falls out.

I dare anyone here to PROVE that invisible, intangible unicorns are not flying around in the air above their heads.

Lacking proof, should we keep an open mind that invisible, intangible unicorns are real? Sure.. We should remain willing to consider the POSSIBILITY as soon as there is sufficient EVIDENCE.

Until then, feel free to ignore the unicorns. They don't seem to be bothering anybody.

Without some evidence of their existence, how do we tell invisible, intangible unicorns from NON-EXISTANT unicorns?

Do you not agree that due to the laws of probability that it is very unlikely we are the only intelligent life form in the universe? If you agree with that then you should remain open to the possability that life form has learned to travel beyond it's planet just like we have.

There is no similar case to make for flying unicorns. Nothing that says well since they are over there, they might be over here too.

 

[HempKat]

Has anybody begin converted yet one way or the other?

Nope I don't think so, then again I don't think anyone actually came here with the honest intention of converting anyone.

 

[Jellyfish]

What started out as a 'fun' thread with a poll, actually got pretty deep. I enjoyed it.

 

[Anti]

Niether am I spouting anything other then people should remain open minded about things they can niether prove or disprove. The only clown here is the one insisting he knows this is all ignorant nonsense since there is no way to know that for sure. That clown of course would be you.

Check the stuff in bold. This is the statement my invisible unicorn analogy was aimed at.

Do you not agree that due to the laws of probability that it is very unlikely we are the only intelligent life form in the universe?

Yes. I even started a thread to calculate the probabilities. I calculated that there are at least 3,000,000 GALACTIC civilizations in the universe, as I recall. (A galactic civilization would be a civilization capable of traveling between galaxies.)

Of course, even with 3 million galactic civilizations, there are around 300 BILLION known galaxies... so the odds that one of those 3 million would find US is still relatively small.

If you agree with that then you should remain open to the possability that life form has learned to travel beyond it's planet just like we have.

I am open to the possibility but the time to BELIEVE that that possibility is a certainty is AFTER reviewing the evidence.

Surely you agree?

There is no similar case to make for flying unicorns. Nothing that says well since they are over there, they might be over here too.

Have you been to every single planet orbiting the 300+ sextillion stars in the known universe to search for invisible, intangible flying unicorns? How could you know what the probabilities of their existence are? Shouldn't you remain open to things you can neither prove nor disprove?

 

[bill cooper]

I give up some people are just to gullible and will believe anything without a shred of evidence no matter how dodgy and unqualified there sources are Hempkat who made these laser cuts then if you don't believe it was aliens ? gods ,fairy's,santa?
why don't you post this amazing evidence of laser cut stones that no one else has seen or even heard of unless it was just some nonsense written by a crank like yourself which can't be backed up