Lucas VS. Advanced Nutrients

[MileHighGuy]

Thanks HomeBrewer.

 

[siftedunity]

I'm not surprised that you've missed my point.

You need to use more plant food to get to a given EC as compared to the other brands which means those other brands are less expensive to use in the long run. That might not affect a closet grower like yourself but throw in a few more lights and all of a sudden those trips to the grow store for more watery noob juice start to add up.

you need to use more to get the same ec??? thats nonsence.. il take a pic of my ec meter in the bucket of nutes if you like.. care to prove what your saying? because I shall call bullshit and back it up.

closet grower? i run 2 rooms perpetually not that its any of your business. the first picture being one of them. roughly 60 plants a run depending.. ive seen your grows they are actually pretty small scale compeared to mine.... since you bring it up. but ignorance is bliss so think as you will.

as for you plugging shit- well roll *up, here, every fucking advance nutrients thread you pop up on.. i dont care what you use i dont care what your advice is. (sorry lets all switch to dyna grow.. make sure you break up the crystalised lumps before mixing)

 

[siftedunity]

anyway back on topic.. my plants are not keeling over or dying on advance nutrients, i probably get about 30-40 oz from a £15 from a litre bottle of sensi a and b, which i dont consider expensive. i use H&G, canna.. ive used plenty of different products, so im not biased at all il use whatever. but advanced are cheap if you avoid the crap and the gimmicks- same as every other nutrient line.

 

[Stonefree69]

closet grower? i run 2 rooms perpetually not that its any of your business. the first picture being one of them. roughly 60 plants a run depending.. ive seen your grows they are actually pretty small scale compeared to mine.... since you bring it up. but ignorance is bliss so think as you will.

as for you plugging shit- well youtube, roll *up, here, every fucking advance nutrients thread you pop up on.. i dont care what you use i dont care what your advice is.

Nice grow. Though in that 1st pic the walls and stuff could use some Reflectix or Orca grow film. Helps get light to sides and lower parts of plants. Better yield/buds there as well. I like my plants at least good 8 oz each so I need all the penetration I can get.

 

[siftedunity]

Nice grow. Though in that 1st pic the walls and stuff could use some Reflectix or Orca grow film. Helps get light to sides and lower parts of plants. Better yield/buds there as well. I like my plants at least good 8 oz each so I need all the penetration I can get.

thanks man, yeah there is reflective sheeting and drippers in there now, i took that on the day i was sorting the room and repotting the plants..

 

[FOE20]

thats not a Kali bud..its a stacked calyx...whats the rest of that plant look like...
not baggin on ya but far from inexperienced either...out of balance and I can tell..but Im not caring either..would form better with more care IMO...but hope you take that lightly and dont get bent about it...
whole things all to kid time for me guys n not gettin anywhere....
guess im just a stupid stoner....works for me...gl
FOE20

 

[siftedunity]

thats not a Kali bud..its a stacked calyx...whats the rest of that plant look like...
not baggin on ya but far from inexperienced either...out of balance and I can tell..but Im not caring either..would form better with more care IMO...but hope you take that lightly and dont get bent about it...
whole things all to kid time for me guys n not gettin anywhere....
guess im just a stupid stoner....works for me...gl
FOE20

its short for kalishnapple- a uk clone only...not kali mist it was ''home brewer'' whp posted the kali mist calyx

man got any ideas for improvements? im always open to new ideas.( not dyna grow)

 

[FOE20]

sifted...whats your formula for bloom atm?...my normal way for Hazes, SupSats and the likes...Is stop feedin at on set...This is where we over buffer the plant to much for Sativas IMO..cause they dont need much to start and then we flip t 1/2 the amount of light req..
Now food is a low..Until Bloom actually sets in...
I use a tiny P boost at 1-2wks in to help the Plant start its trigger and initial budset..I use either BudBlood or SNB BBlstr/.or OSesame..all 3 same shit...same way..tiny amount..any excess in a Super Sat and its done...I feed like its in veg still the first wk or so of Bloom and give it that tiny bit of Booster as mentioned but still @ very low levels..
its a must for my Hawaiians as well....what were doing is manipulating endless summer sativas really....great varieties to man..
how long does it take her to budset?...
Im going to guess about 3-5wks?...you see lil budset at 3wks..nice dime size by 4 or 5?...
this is when I start a low 1-4-5 formula..at wk 7-9 additional carb and whatevers clever..prime time for SSats IMO is usually about 6-9wks so thats when to play with boosters or diff formulas..
any bits of organics usually help flav in big ways...
the 1 thing a Hydro-Feeding grower has over soil cats is Control...mess with it and it may tell you a whole nother story...
and on the Kali-types to finish go at 9wk point from the 1-4-5 to a 0-4-5 wks10-12 fin..
I pref Hazes, Kali's and the likes around 12-14wks...super stoney..tons of flav long as you dont under feed...Over feeding you know what happens...everything is locked down n out....I really use the concept of Less is More on SupSats...
but no Nitro avail at all after your well thru bloom on any SuperSats...other wise..they blow out..never stop growing cause they always will have avail stored N...
allot of ppl blame genetics...light heat..bla bla...its not always the case...allot of time user error......4 real...
Th reason I dont ask what the strain is cause when I saw kali I assumed Sativa...so its not what variety its just how we treat any SSats..so the more mixed Ind/Sat the more we adj the options to suit as well...
hope that makes sense...it does work to and any seasoned maverick should be able to understand what I just said easily enough to utilize it....power to it
FOE20

 

[JKD]

Off topic but;

The activated sludge process is all about building a massive, healthy, microbial population Interestingly inputs are all chemical - phosphoric acid, sulphuric acid, caustic soda and a nitrogen source. pH, nutrient ppm. temperature and dissolved oxygen are controlled to maintain the desired species - within the correct parameters the right microbes flourish - regardless of the chemical nature of nutrients.

I am a fan of organics having said all this, but I tend to use both.
My medium is 25%char, 25%zeolite and 50% volcanic lava rock. I fertilize with seaweed and lucerne tea, blood and bone liquid +phosphoric acid, liquid Potassium Sulphate and a sprinkling of Dolomite lime now and then... Seems to work ok.

If my nute mix seems needlessly complicated its because it is.


My 2c

JKD

 

[Avinash.miles]

My medium is 25%char, 25%zeolite and 50% volcanic lava rock. I fertilize with seaweed and lucerne tea, blood and bone liquid +phosphoric acid, urea, liquid Potassium Sulphate and a sprinkling of Dolomite lime now and then... Seems to work ok.

My 2c

JKD

lucerne tea?
fill me in please

 

[Homebrewer]

you need to use more to get the same ec??? thats nonsence.. il take a pic of my ec meter in the bucket of nutes if you like.. care to prove what your saying? because I shall call bullshit and back it up.

Add 5mls of sensi bloom A into a gallon of RO, take a reading and post your results. Do the same with part B.

 

[JKD]

lucerne = alfalfa.
Contains a fatty acid called triacontanol which is a growth promotant. I get it for free so in it goes. Some people say to use it in veg only. You can also use it as a rooting hormone.

JKD

 

[siftedunity]

Add 5mls of sensi bloom A into a gallon of RO, take a reading and post your results. Do the same with part B.

i dont need to ive been using it for years. 2ml per litre is the standard basic rate for most bases. same as advanced. i get ec of about 1000 ppm with canna, advanced etc with 2ml per liter of a and b, you havnt used many nutrient lines??
if you need to feed with more than 1000 your probs using too much.
and i often use half dose with advanced when i add anything else in. if i didnt know what i was doing mate i wouldnt eat lol so im guessing that your tray grow from roll *up is the usual amount of plants you grow??

 

[Homebrewer]

i get ec of about 1000 ppm with canna, advanced etc with 2ml per liter of a and b, you havnt used many nutrient lines??

This conversation is over your head, I'll leave you to your colorful bottles.

 

[siftedunity]

This conversation is over your head, I'll leave you to your colorful bottles.

pictures say 1000 words but your unwilling to show any.. wonder why?

sorry il clear up my last post for you...

1000ppm (base only)
ec of 2.0
cf of 20

 

[gonnagrow]

Serious Seeds, mines goes about 100 days even. If you're a sativa guy, she's more than worth the wait.

Uhhh . . .what?

 

[Homebrewer]

Uhhh . . .what?

Serious Seeds is where you can find Kali mist and mine flowers for 100 days. Hope that helps.

 

[siftedunity]

do you have a pic of the whole kali plant or the grow?

 

[MileHighGuy]

the 1 thing a Hydro-Feeding grower has over soil cats is Control...mess with it and it may tell you a whole nother story...

This is the one thing that you keep referring to that you do not seem to either acknowledge, understand, or believe. I Just don't get it.

Soil with bottles maybe.... I'll give you that out, if you'd like to take it.

When growing in a living soil you don't need to try and control the constant disarray of feedings that you suggest. There is absolutely no point. The Plant will control it's own feeding.... I don't require any control at all, rather I give up control. Keep on controlling every facet of the entire grow. I'll just kick back and water, foliar spray and add a few special ingredients here and there.

I don't care how many different low strength, full strength or no strength batches you want to mix up. Compared to a living soil, the only control you have, is over how bad you don't fuck it up. If that means a 100% perfect grow, than good on you, if not...Oops.... with proper soil... no problem so no worries

For instance - Go in the infirmary and find a few sob stories of people that mixed up a really high quality living soil. I'll help, you won't find any..... because you can't mess it up if the soil is right. (Giving some credit that the grower understands how to water)

If you're good with bottles, that's more power to you.

But DAMN that seems like a lot of work for a sativa.

 

[siftedunity]

ive got a lot of respect for soil growers because you guys effectively do everything from scratch and you have a process of groing that suits you and suits your standards. its not for me, coco is messy enough and tbh im happy with what i do.

only thing i dont understand is that you keep saying the plants takes what it needs, but the plant just takes in whatever is there with water. so surely if your logic is correct, it would take what it needs eitherway?