Lucas VS. Advanced Nutrients

[3dDream]

like Flushing... which does absolutely nothing to the end product

I have tested herb at different amounts of flush time and I can tell you that in my vape I can taste the difference. I was using pure blend pro at the time and anything less than 7 days was poop.

 

[siftedunity]

yeah i can smell the difference in my dried bud with a longer flush. a week and a half is the sweet spot for me.

 

[MileHighGuy]

I really don't want to talk about flushing again and again... But I know it's my fault because I brought it up.

I understand the biology here.... but let's try this.

What are you doing when you run water only in your system?

What is the point of flushing your growing media?

Specifically what happens?

Any links to support this?

Something besides quality of "Taste" which none of us can do on here and we have all already agreed that taste is very subjective. (edit: I mean none of us on here can taste each others, ya know?)

 

[3dDream]

MileHighGuy: Since weed is 80% water, i imagine i am tasting the water when I put it in my vape green.

 

[MileHighGuy]

MileHighGuy: Since weed is 80% water, i imagine i am tasting the water when I put it in my vape green.

What? You basing your support for flushing off of vaped wet bud?

 

[Homebrewer]

ive used sensi a and b for a while now i like it alot. its cheap as chips.

It's still one of the more expensive foods on the market and what's working against their 'reasonable price' is their watery concentration levels. It'd be quite easy to blow through a half gallon of that stuff per round per reservoir.

 

[MileHighGuy]

I think Microbeman recommended something like Mycos - Mycorrhizal Inoculant or MycoApply Soluble MAXX. I had that over MycoGrow. Also Mycos has to establish itself in media/root system and can take weeks. Heisenberg says "It is very useful to use bennies in soil, but in hydro all the little benefits you get from them are negligible. When it comes to root disease, bennies are a magic bullet."

Yeah CTguy: "You want endo-mycorrhizae for cannabis, not ecto."

and so far.... the only research that I can find shows that there are 2 known Endo types that can jive with cannabis.

Glomus Intraradices and Glomus Mosseae

and it takes time for the relationship to start working, which is another reason why no-till has benefits on the farm and in my workshop.

 

[FOE20]

Just wanted to add to the views...
I don't flush guys...no run off or when I do its hardly any at all...
I believe a plant Will mostly Use what it Needs when given Just what it needs and not to much...No matter the source..
The Quality of that Source, sure it counts but still as said , its all how its used..
I run my plants to full maturity...
use, a mostly inert mix using mainly PMix HP...used pure coco same feeding/growing method..wool, dwc...same method...soil beds, amended running same cuts and grown by very organic based folk....
End result..not much diff at all if any in over all Qualities...
I use a combination of products...a mad combo to reach the basic diet the variety needs..
To finish Ive grown in about every medium and used so many diff nute lines its stupid..but basically they All can work...
and I'll tell you for a Fact its both possible to Over flush as it is to Under flush nutrients or garbage out of your plants...and same goes for Feeding....you can both over and under and it all has impact...
Especially in Hydro where the Nutrients are Avail almost immediately by chelation..
were nit pickin here now and now ppl are insulting eachother..
I have made charts base by variety and their nutritional needs...
So Im completely against the Idea of just Watering a Amended soil and know very well the diff between the methods and their end results..
and to think for a sec that you can plop a Haze or BBerry into the same hot mix a Indica can handle and truly say it has no impact is foolish...
and then ppl turn face and claim its the nutes that cause the issues?...
or the genetics which is the real problem as far as I see the whole scene..
all way to closed minded and inept to start...
open your mind and then it will be understood...
but soon as ya think ya know it all you just closed the book/door anyway...
evolve with it all...gl
FOE20

 

[siftedunity]

It's still one of the more expensive foods on the market and what's working against their 'reasonable price' is their watery concentration levels. It'd be quite easy to blow through a half gallon of that stuff per round per reservoir.

how about you stop plugging dyna grow. i know there your biggest competition but i couldnt give a fuck.

by the way £15 for the base is a good price and is exactly the same as canna, h&g, etc etc. so not interested in your view at all.
you should actually have had warnings by mods/admin now for plugging shit.

 

[MileHighGuy]

Just wanted to add to the views...

...I'll tell you for a Fact its both possible to Over flush as it is to Under flush nutrients or garbage out of your plants...

...So Im completely against the Idea of just Watering a Amended soil and know very well the diff between the methods and their end results..

...and to think for a sec that you can plop a Haze or BBerry into the same hot mix a Indica can handle and truly say it has no impact is foolish...

Give me any facts from any horticulture sources or any credible article that provides information on flushing nutrients or garbage out of your plants and explains how that process is carried out.

When a soil is properly built and if the amendments are first sequestered through composting. Then you can have a soil that will rock out your sativa and your indica. No problem! Because the plant will dictate to the soil through it's root exudates in the rizosphere. It's truly amazing.

You said yourself to be more open minded.

Read Teaming with Microbes, run a living soil, since your doing everything else anyways... TRY IT! You will be blown away.

Hot Soil is a relative term... the heat is coming from component of the soil that have not finished composting. You can have a very very nutrient dense soil with a high Cation Exchange Capacity and no chance of burning the plant or running out of nutrients. You can also have a soil that is low in nutrients be considered "hot"

For those that haven't already, start reading about Cation Exchange Capacity, I'm only just now learning and I'm continually fascinated with all of this.

I'm just scratching the surface of the information available and still learning everyday. I don't think I know it all by any means. I've been organic soil for just over a year and have much to learn. I'm still a total newb, but I'm learning fast!

I think my first thoughts about Hydo were tainted because I've tasted how nasty and bland the hydroponic tomatoes usually are, compared to an organic soil grown one... you all know that there is absolutely no comparison. I guess we aren't growing tomatoes. But those were my initial thoughts when picturing Hydro in my head.

Anyways. I hope no one is getting insulted... and if they are, then call me out!

 

[Jbonez]

how about you stop plugging dyna grow. i know there your biggest competition but i couldnt give a fuck.

by the way £15 for the base is a good price and is exactly the same as canna, h&g, etc etc. so not interested in your view at all.
you should actually have had warnings by mods/admin now for plugging shit.

Easy bro..

Homebrewer is a highly intelligible grower, of which I have a great respect for, If he is pumping a product, its most likely it works very well, maybe for him, but Ive known him to very insightful when it comes to properly fed plants.

Not trying to see any disputes happen over a misunderstanding..

Not for nothing bro..

 

[Neo 420]

The answer is simple. Because not all of us want to use DIRT.

Thats pretty straight forward and I respect your choice...

Although I'm playing around in coco right now, nothing comes close to the cleanliness and simplicity of full on hydroponics in my opinion.

I beg to differ. I have ran DWC, RDWC, EBB and Flow.. And I'll tell you this... Is has not been easier since I switched to living soil. What you fail to realize is once the soil has been established and you recycle, its easy street. I have no-till's going right now that I do not plan on amending for at least 3 to 4 cycles. Water and tea's baby.. Water and tea's.......
The only real work I do on my ladies is foilar sprays. They get sprayed twice a week while in veg for disease suppression.....

I grew in hydro in an apartment for years. I ran a medium-less DWC setup where my plant was merely supported by a neoprene insert and all root growth occurred in my aerated solution of refined minerals.

I wasn't out sourcing organic amendments, I wasn't hauling dirt into an apartment, I wasn't making a mess. I wasn't on my knees fucking around mixing dirt and transplanting plants. I simply popped a plant into a water culture system and gave it the cheap fertilizer that it required.

Maxibloom + water = done..simple. I'm not even fucking with hydroton or any media for that matter. System got topped automatically with fresh water. The only input required on my end was to watch and occasionally add more refined minerals to achieve my target EC.

No Ph'ing? No nute mixing? No checking with a EC meter? No carrying water back and forth? Checking rez'z? Hydro requires constant calibration or you risk losing your crop in a single night. And I use to make one hella of a mess. Had a wet/dry vac that stayed in the room.

As opposed to this:
1. Sphagnum Peat Moss - $24 for two 3.5 Cubic Foot Bails
2. Large Bag of Vermiworm Fresh California Red Wiggler Worm Castings- $29
3. Live Worms and EWC with Compost in a 5 gallon bucket from the local worm guy $50
4. Fresh top soil from a friends organic garden just full of good stuff. Free
5. Local 1.5 year old compost from mainly leaves, grass and sticks. Free
6. Big Bag of Coco- Croutons $10.00
7. Big Bag of Vermiculite - $10.00
8. Ancient Forest – Had this around my house NOT USING THIS. DECIDED ON LOCAL FOREST DUFF
9. Powdered Bentonite - $10
10. Ground Oyster Shell - $10
11. Ground Gypsum - $15
12. Crab Shell Meal - $30 25lbs
13. Kelp Meal - $10
14. N Bat Guano – Had this already
15. Fish Bone Meal - $10
16. Sul-Po-Mag - $12
17. Neem Seed Meal - $25
18. Alfalfa Meal - $12
19. Bag of Cowboy Charcoal - $15
20. Bag of “HydroLite” Zeolite Silica type Material Similar to Perlite for Aeration. $30

This is the initial mix. Why don't you ask the OP what his amend mix is or how his recycle goes. The effort to put forward once this mix has composted is next to nothing..

PS - that "organic" bat guano you organic guys all use is full of urine, cockroach carcass, and high concentrations of nitrates. Eww...

PS. That "chemicals" you chem guys use are full of petro, EDTA, destroys ocean and devastates land. And I don't use guano

PSS All nitrogen are not the same nitrogen...
"A further point. Inorganic fertilisers generally take large amounts of energy to produce (and transport), and that comes in the main from fossil fuels."

 

[FOE20]

All seems fine here...so Pmix n some other stuff mostly AN if that matters..I feed them as the mix pre-use is less than 200ppm in total N-P-K value which matters.......no biggie tho..
FOE20

 

[Homebrewer]

how about you stop plugging dyna grow. i know there your biggest competition but i couldnt give a fuck.

by the way £15 for the base is a good price and is exactly the same as canna, h&g, etc etc. so not interested in your view at all.
you should actually have had warnings by mods/admin now for plugging shit.

I'm not surprised that you've missed my point.

You need to use more plant food to get to a given EC as compared to the other brands which means those other brands are less expensive to use in the long run. That might not affect a closet grower like yourself but throw in a few more lights and all of a sudden those trips to the grow store for more watery noob juice start to add up.

 

[MileHighGuy]

Lucas VS. Advanced Nutrients

There! Some Veg Pics.

You can see that the soil wasn't finished composting when I added them... little tip burn. But next run this soil will be fully recycled and ready to rock out. Nice thing about a good soil is the health of the plants.

Normally when Growing outdoor the plants are always reaching for the sun and slightly folded leaves kinda praying to the sun... Ya know?

But indoor, it doesn't seem to happen as often... the branches off of the bottle grows are usually flimsier in my personal experience here... even with a fan blowing them to get strong.


Right now, these branches are starting to get thick!!

And look, they are just praying non-stop like they were outside. I love it.

 

[FOE20]

lookin a lil N rich but good lookin plants.....fair enough...lets keep talkin plants...not on our ways then...wheres the Sativas?...those are easy ladies from the looks eh?..
I like plants.....and seems no one will agree about much else...cest la vie..keep rollin
FOE20

 

[MileHighGuy]

lookin a lil N rich but good lookin plants.....fair enough...lets keep talkin plants...not on our ways then...wheres the Sativas?...those are easy ladies from the looks eh?..
I like plants.....and seems no one will agree about much else...cest la vie..keep rollin
FOE20

I'll get some sativa pics as they come through the perpetual setup.

Right now I harvest 2 - 4 plants every 2-3 weeks depending on final ripening time....

I recently had a very Nice Afghan Kush Skunk that still wasnt done at 10 weeks... but next time I'm planning ahead, She will go 11 or 12.

The Close up photo above is a strain that I'm working on.

I crossed a very Indica Lemon G that never produced that well for me but was UNREAL lemon smell. Like a fresh sliced lemon....

I crossed that to my Favorite Pheno of Agent Orange... Totally Sativa... So the ones above are close to 50/50 Indica Sativa But they all do look more like the Mom... the Lemon G.

N rich... LMAO. You know just as well as I do that that plant has now way to Overfeed itself on Nitrogen. It is using exactly what it requires based on it's own judgment. But yeah, there is plenty of it for it to use as it see's fit.

I'll have a Sativa soon enough, and it will have Zero growing issues in the same soil.

Any good Recommendations on a Sativa that is currently available?

 

[Homebrewer]

Any good Recommendations on a Sativa that is currently available?

Yup, Kali Mist:

 

[MileHighGuy]

Breeder? I have wanted to run Kali Mist... had it once and lost it.

If it's not on the Bay or Bou... PM me. Would love to grab something that I could flower indoors in less than 18 weeks haha

 

[Homebrewer]

Breeder? I have wanted to run Kali Mist... had it once and lost it.

Serious Seeds, mines goes about 100 days even. If you're a sativa guy, she's more than worth the wait.