Do You Think M.J Will Ever Be Legalized Or Decrimed In Oz???

[ThirstyKenny]

Morning everyone, hope you're well.
Like the title asks- Do you think it will?

Seeing as we seem to follow the U.S in a lot of ways- music, fashion, our kids imitate, tv shows etc etc will we follow them in changing our M.J laws?

Be great to hear your opinions.

Kenny

 

[aussiepurp]

i hope so i hate hiding what i love to grow id love to have my friends and neighbours over for a bbq and a smoke where we dont have to be discreet and just puff away and be merry

 

[Persephone]

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[rustlin'leaves]

i would like to think yes but our policies are so far behind whats happening in the rest of the world regarding marijuana change....will we see change i think yes BUT it will be a long and winding road....

 

[ThirstyKenny]

Gday aussiepurp, It's an upcoming party i'm kind of obligated to go to that got me thinking about this. There are going to be about 80 odd-and yes we're all pretty odd-people there and about 1/4 of them are cleanskins(don't smoke and i don't need them knowing that i do). Nothing new about that. I'm not going to be drinking much cos i'm taking a lovely lady to the party and we don't need extravert Kenny making an appearence so i'm mainly going to smoke bongs. Well i'll have to smoke pipes for discretion purposes and do it somewhere out of site- What an utter inconvenience. Like you Purp', be cool if i could just chillout in the comfort of my chair with my bong strapped around my neck

Hi persephone, was wondering what your take would be . I agree. Would Bob Brown be maybe a better choice or has he got his head up his butt these days? Wonder how Peter Garret would go? I'd like to think he's still got a bit of Aussie Rocker in him. (For people who don't know Peter Garret is a politician(minister for environment or something) and former lead singer of one of Australias best rock/alternative pop bands called Midnight Oil. He was very against nuclear disarmourment, very much for aboriginal rights, then the environment. Used to have a good head on his shoulders. Don't really know these days. I'm not that into politics.

 

[ThirstyKenny]

i would like to think yes but our policies are so far behind whats happening in the rest of the world regarding marijuana change....will we see change i think yes BUT it will be a long and winding road....

So true Russ, but like Persephone said-We have come a long way in even the past 10 years. Let's hope we keep moving forward

 

[hard rain]

Gday aussiepurp, It's an upcoming party i'm kind of obligated to go to that got me thinking about this. There are going to be about 80 odd-and yes we're all pretty odd-people there and about 1/4 of them are cleanskins(don't smoke and i don't need them knowing that i do). Nothing new about that. I'm not going to be drinking much cos i'm taking a lovely lady to the party and we don't need extravert Kenny making an appearence so i'm mainly going to smoke bongs. Well i'll have to smoke pipes for discretion purposes and do it somewhere out of site- What an utter inconvenience. Like you Purp', be cool if i could just chillout in the comfort of my chair with my bong strapped around my neck

Hi persephone, was wondering what your take would be . I agree. Would Bob Brown be maybe a better choice or has he got his head up his butt these days? Wonder how Peter Garret would go? I'd like to think he's still got a bit of Aussie Rocker in him. (For people who don't know Peter Garret is a politician(minister for environment or something) and former lead singer of one of Australias best rock/alternative pop bands called Midnight Oil. He was very against nuclear disarmourment, very much for aboriginal rights, then the environment. Used to have a good head on his shoulders. Don't really know these days. I'm not that into politics.

Why on earth would Bob Brown or Peter Garrett want to be involved on legalising pot? Brown has just retired and is now captaining a Greenpeace ship and Garrett is a member of the Labor Party.

We are about the furthest from legalisation as we have been in the last 30 years. I doubt I will see it legalised in my life time. Neither major party has any plans to support legalisation of pot. All the major media organisations are still only doing negative pot stories.

While we follow America in many things, there are huge fundamental differences between our cultures. You just need to spend some time here and you will see. There was a large social movement to get medical pot up and running in the States which does not exist here. In addition we have a public health system (although not going too well). The main plus is that as pot becomes more mainstream in the States this will filter into movies and TV programs that may eventually influence us here a bit.

The only organisation I know of thta is interested in legalising pot is the HEMP party based in Nimbin. It has next to no support outside that area. It is basically treated as a joke by the mainstream media. I would suggest Mullaways Medical cannabis is going to be treated similarly. I wish both organisations the best but just don't think they are mainstream enough.

Hope I am wrong.

 

[hard rain]

I'd like to think so.....but given we're 5 to 10 years behind most European countries and the States...it's going to take a while and a lot of effort!

Look at Gillards' reaction the last time a paper on this was put up for discussion...she dismissed it out of hand.....no way, not on her watch...head in the sand ignorance!!

And Abbot.......he won't even allow women control over their bodies!!

Still, we're a lot further along than we were even 10 years ago.

P.

In what ways have we come a lot futher than 10 years ago?

 

[ThirstyKenny]

The only differences i can think of atm is that Australian society has opened it's eyes to the fact that not only does cannabis get you high but it a great alternative medicine compared to the pharmaceuticals. It's also no longer seen as a taboo gateway drug in a lot of circles. When i was a kid the adults saw it as bad as heroin. Ignorant i know, but thats the way it was. I got caught smokin weed when i was about 15 by my father after hed had a big night at the pub. I'll never forget the flogging i got for that. Ignorance and irony surely must be cousins. That's not the last decade i know but since i was a youngun, opinions have definately changed.... But that's probably more societies views changing compared to our pollies'

 

[hard rain]

The only differences i can think of atm is that Australian society has opened it's eyes to the fact that not only does cannabis get you high but it a great alternative medicine compared to the pharmaceuticals. It's also no longer seen as a taboo gateway drug in a lot of circles. When i was a kid the adults saw it as bad as heroin. Ignorant i know, but thats the way it was. I got caught smokin weed when i was about 15 by my father after hed had a big night at the pub. I'll never forget the flogging i got for that. Ignorance and irony surely must be cousins. That's not the last decade i know but since i was a youngun, opinions have definately changed.... But that's probably more societies views changing compared to our pollies'

So how do you explain the fact that cannabis laws have got worse in at least WA and SA? In both those states cannabis laws were quite lax until recently. You could grow up to 10 plants in SA at one stage if I recall rightly? WA has introduced much tougher legislation (see below).
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...uana-legislation/story-e6frg14c-1225785442674

I thimk there are very few aussies who look on cannabis as a medicine?

As a 30+ year smoker I reckon people were more pro cannabis in the mid 70's to 90's than now. I remember several states looking at medical Marijuana legislation that just seemed to disappear.

When I was a kid my parents (who are totally straight) were fairly tolerant of cannabis. Many of their freinds smoked it. Now they firmly believe it causes mental illness. I don't think it is perceived as a soft drug any more for this reason. There have been some very negative stories linking MJ to schizophrenia for instance (despite very dubious evidence). Most of my work colleagues firmly believe that cannabis causes mental health problems. They don't even question it.

 

[ThirstyKenny]

Well there ya go. I admit i do pretty much stick to my circles and have as little to do with general society as i can. I had no idea the general consensis was such a negative one. I can't explain why the laws are as they are. That's why i posted this thread. To learn more from people as yourself
Kenny

 

[Sat X RB]

I 'm yawning the GREAT YAWN of INDIFFERENCE re the matter.

on the one hand I wouldn't like to see the dollar value of cannabis go down ... this is because if it remains expensive only the brains of the rich and famous will get scrambled ... ha, ha ... which will improve society a lot ...

and on the other hand I 'd like to see Medical Cannabis get up.

bye all!

 

[chuckyoufarley]

i would like to hope so ,1 thing thats bothers me is when some people say i cant wait till its legal cuz im going to smoke right in front of the cops and blow the smoke in the cops faces.shit like that wont cut it .and when certain people act stupid when high in the documentaries they show on tv.

 

[Persephone]

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[Rumblefish]

It used to bother me a lot but I have come to accept to fact that it is very unlikely to ever happen in my lifetime,I think Aussie's in general are indifferent one way or an other but the people that run this country have got no interest in in seeing a move to decriminalization or legalization for that matter, there is simply no $ in it for them and it might impact on alcohol revenue ,the people running this country aren't the politicians we elect their just puppets,if it were up to the politicians it probably would have been legal long ago most of them admit to having smoked a pipe or two except Tony Abbot, the only pipe he ever smoked belonged to George Pell and Alan Jones .

 

[noyd666]

peter garrat fuk what a twat, useless as titts on a bull lol. i have been trying to find out what happed to sa laws on growing, anybody know? i cant see it being legal in my time, fuk the bastards are useless you know that,why would they? thats power, fuck em i intend to carry on regardless.

 

[rustlin'leaves]

i think there needs to be a greater push on medical marijuana.I suffer from a couple of issues and both myself and my doctor are reluctant to continually prescribing me addictive pharmas that in the end will be doing way more harm then good....we discussed mmj and he is of the opinion that when used for medicinal purposes) and even the scripts dont work but a decent indica will give me a couple of hrs of sleep which to me is like an entire nights rest...i would love to have the opportunity to grow personal medical marijuana LEGALLY....one can only dream(if he slept long enough to...LOL)...

 

[rustlin'leaves]

damn that got all message up,hope its understandable...lmao X)

 

[hard rain]

Just my perspective I guess....we, as a society are way more tolerant and educated about pot than we ever were....regardless of what the pollies want us to think.

Yes, there's still fear, abuse and propaganda out there....but think about it.

P.

We will have to agree to disagree Persephone. I think Australia has on the whole become much less tolerant in general and much more conservative. 10 years ago there was little mention of mental health being linked to cannabisl use, there were better laws in relation to cannabis in many states. We also nevewr used to have a National Cannabis Prevention and Information Centre like we do now to promote propaganda. Also when was the last time the Australian media had a positive story about pot? You can google many articles about the benefits of cannabis but the Australian press simply ignore them.

As I've said previously, I hope I am wrong.

 

[rustlin'leaves]

i agree with hard rain that tolerance has decreased from what ive seen.Up my way where the tin birds work over time,you get sensationalised newspaper articles regularly about the masses of the "dangerous" plants being removed from our pristine national parks,the local "hippies" that sold incence and mj memorabilia are no longer seen around my ways....but i also hear alot of positives from the old baby boomers saying that its time to stop harassing the smokers...the reality is we need more mainstream reporting ,documentaries and articles of the positives of cannabis,how we do it?? i dont know but the times are changing around the world and we need to find an answer to get us on the bandwagon to see those changes trickle over into australia....