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[delta9nxs]

Interesting. Am I interpreting right to say that as long as the pulse can flood the medium faster than it can drain, the GPH is high enough? As the water level flooding up displaces the gasses just as well as a pool draining downward.

I feel like I ask silly questions but it takes me a while to wrap my head around some of the brilliant ideas around here. I've learned a lot from your posts and for that I thank you sir! That goes to high life 45 and many others as well (apologies if I'm disrupting your thread!)

I'll probably be starting out with 8-12 sites, 4-5sq ft per plant, (horizontal lighting, 300-600w per plant... taking a possibly temporary break from vert after tree madness, LOL) and have at least one 320gph pump to use. Am thinking of using 1.5-3gal of coco per bucket, 2gal or cut 5gal buckets.

Most all my parts available were previously used for RDWC. (buckets, uniseals, pvc, 1/2" tubing, etc) I haven't used 1/4" feed lines before but I guess I'll just have to set things up and see what the pump can do, then just add more GPH power if needed.

yes

we have found a pump capacity of approx 100 gph per site to be good for these larger containers but you could use a smaller one on smaller containers.

coming from rwdc you will appreciate the reliability of this system. i have never lost a plant in one and i don't recall anyone else losing one either.

ask all the questions you want, we all start somewhere.

 

[high life 45]

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Flipped tonight.


Some of these girls must be 7' tall.
I should have listened to IF about D9 this whole time. .....

Two personal records for me here.
Never grown plants this big indoors.
Never seen flower development this early before.
I am not even on the end of the second week.


I have been thinking about going perpetual in my room. 5 plants at a time or one half of a room. This will allow me to be more picky with my clones, which is an area I could greatly improve on. I also need to start cloning in diatomite instead of the ez cloner. This will save me alot of time.
Hey D9 you wanna give me a rundown on your propagation techs for growing from seed and cloning in turface? Also wanted to know what you think about the corn cleaner. I haven't even seen how much it is but if it works I would pay a pretty penny or two.

 

[delta9nxs]

i told you to get ready! should i bring my new DR Bush Molester over?

second week of flower means that you should be getting an ec spike about now. the character of your solution should change from depletion to accumulation. when it does you will need to cut feed back. with co2 i recommend 750 ppm input.

so we are seeing the plant exhibit a pronounced response to the wider, shallower containers?

so you have not done anything different this time except the wide containers?

no changes in lights, medium, co2, nutrients, or anything?

i think this wider root zone theory might also explain why my clones take off so fast. i think the theory applies to them too and we are creating a better cutting by rooting them in the larger container.

perpetual, or what i did for 4 years before these 2 grows, is a timing exercise. it's like a tube with an input and an output. you know your time frame and you load it from the front to get what you want out the back.

my plan now is to go back to 10 plant positions in flower because i like taking these big indoor hybrids at 10 weeks. it brings out a maturity or ripeness and with it a more potent effect, flavors, etc. enhanced marketability.

and like my old place, a small dedicated veg area which will have only 3 positions as i got a 40" dope plant in only 24 days from transplant. so i figure a 21 day veg to be about right for the space i have.

this time, in the demonic deluge thread, it's even worse than last time with all the growth. working my ass off again. no more of this, i'm not a masochist!

so that's a plant a week in a small energy efficient space.

to keep this up i take 2 cuttings per week from the plant going to flower and throw one of them away. i had a 300 plus clone run with no failures in the ppk cloner. i finally lost one and then another but since then none.

those are some amazon bitches you got there!

i had a girlfriend like that once. her idea of sex was 3 hours of wwf smackdown with some weightlifting as foreplay topped off with a 10 mile run.

we broke up when she burnt my freshly restored 70 el camino to a crisp on the beach in front of 3000 people after trying to stab me with a buck folding hunter which i managed to avoid by going in the surf and swimming for my life. sharks were my buddies that day.

 

[high life 45]

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Nothing different...well actually I had taken the small dehumidifiers out. I am waiting for a big dri eaze I ordered. We were getting lots of excess condensation so grobro put the small ones back in. Humidity is a sure fire way to boost growth ime, I am sure that added to the effect a bit.

Tomorrow is day 14, the ec is pretty high right now @ 3.

Should I drain the system or let it comeback down naturally? I'm inclined to let it come down naturally for a few days. If it continues to climb I will drain the system.

So I remember you filled Tupperware containers with turface.
What kind of ec are you feeding them lil girls?

 

[Ichabod Crane]

we broke up when she burnt my freshly restored 70 el camino to a crisp on the beach in front of 3000 people after trying to stab me with a buck folding hunter which i managed to avoid by going in the surf and swimming for my life. sharks were my buddies that day.

Is she still available? She surely is taken by now.

 

[delta9nxs]

i forgot about the corn cleaner.

it looks like it might work but turface has a bulk density of 35 lbs per cu ft and the corn kernels typically are about 24-25.

if there is an adjustable feature it might compensate.

they are only about 70 bucks.

another aspect of the perpetual method is that it gives you a fast track for experimenting.

 

[delta9nxs]

Nothing different...well actually I had taken the small dehumidifiers out. I am waiting for a big dri eaze I ordered. We were getting lots of excess condensation so grobro put the small ones back in. Humidity is a sure fire way to boost growth ime, I am sure that added to the effect a bit.

Tomorrow is day 14, the ec is pretty high right now @ 3.

Should I drain the system or let it comeback down naturally? I'm inclined to let it come down naturally for a few days. If it continues to climb I will drain the system.

So I remember you filled Tupperware containers with turface.
What kind of ec are you feeding them lil girls?

either way but i prefer the "steer it down" method as it has the least possibility of ph shock. you are still in the bulking phase of stretch so just start inputting 1.2-1.5 and let it slowly come down. play with input in that range until you get a stable res. mine in late flower sits around ec 2.2-2.5.

if your bulk tank still has a lot of stronger solution you can dilute it in place by adding water with no nutrients.

the clone containers are sterilites from wally's, 3 quart filled with 3 pints of medium.

i use flora nova bloom at 300 ppm at .5. something about the bloom formula and the humics is kind to cuttings.

 

[delta9nxs]

Is she still available? She surely is taken by now.

i don't know, i haven't seen her since '87. she's probably doing life somewhere. bad temper on that one.

we were lying on the beach and i told her that i was thinking about dating someone else. beer. i can tell you that it's a big fucking mistake, i repeat, big fucking mistake to tell a girl that in person. they don't take it well.

not at all.

i told her, she silently got up and walked off. i'm laying there half drunk, when i see a fast moving shadow coming up behind me and a voice, in spanish, yelling cuidado! cuidado!

i instinctively rolled just in time to see the knife get buried to the hilt in the sand right where i had been laying.

needless to say i just kept on moving and ran straight to the water, where i am like a fish. swim all day long in the open water.

i had been running with her and knew i couldn't get away that way and my truck was by now a flaming hulk so it was useless.

she was stone beautiful though!

 

[DHF]

Crazy bitches `ll cause yas stitches.......My Ex slung a scovy hoe down through the hood of my brand new Stepside Silverado and all the way through the air filter into the throttle body killin it dead back in `88...and yeah....

It ain`t a good thingy ta tell em up close and personal yas`re shitcannin their ass.......anyways....

I`m hopin for all these details ta get worked out so I can finally come outta retirement fer some headies and grow a 43 lb Pre-98 Bubba PPK plant and go back into obscurity with enough meds to last me till I kick.....

Miss my Bubba.....HL.....Accelerated growth and earlier flower development ain`t such a bad thingy .......Just takes knowin where they`re gonna end up after the flip and end of stretch.....and....

That takes enough runs under yer belt with each individual strain ftw....and then it`s.....

Simple....Babyshit.....

Ya`ll plant murderers are gettin the big plant FAST HYDRO boys all nervous and shit with no root rot and bells and whistles it takes ta survive and pull a decent Harvey.......and guess what....

I love it.....My kinda shit.....

Peace....Freds.....

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

we were lying on the beach and i told her that i was thinking about dating someone else. beer. i can tell you that it's a big fucking mistake, i repeat, big fucking mistake to tell a girl that in person. they don't take it well.

not at all.

i told her, she silently got up and walked off. i'm laying there half drunk, when i see a fast moving shadow coming up behind me and a voice, in spanish, yelling cuidado! cuidado!

i instinctively rolled just in time to see the knife get buried to the hilt in the sand right where i had been laying.

needless to say i just kept on moving and ran straight to the water, where i am like a fish. swim all day long in the open water.

i had been running with her and knew i couldn't get away that way and my truck was by now a flaming hulk so it was useless.

she was stone beautiful though!

I remember being young. When she asked who I fantasize about during sex I told her .... post sex glow and all that.

Mistakes children make.

 

[high life 45]

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Thanx D9 that helped alot.

I won't get started on crazy chicks cuz I finally got a calm mellow one who cooks cleans and trims. No questions asked, doesn't get nosy.

DHF you will not be disappointed with the ppk! I'm excited to hear and see what you bring to the table because this system is an evolving creature all it's own.

I have been paying close attention to the rdwc/UC growers and what they are yielding (with or without paclo) and it makes me feel good about the direction I'm heading.

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

I have been paying close attention to the rdwc/UC growers and what they are yielding (with or without paclo) and it makes me feel good about the direction I'm heading.

Palco?

Conclusions?

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

Palco?

Conclusions?

cant imagine it helps with vert setups personally, great for horizontal. Also great for growing mold.

 

[DHF]

Hey HL....Mid June `ll be 4 yrs since I shut down , and I miss it beyond anyone`s scope of how much.....but.....My paranoia still abounds here in Hell.......trust me.....but there again....

I`m real damn close ta jumpin off the deep end to grow buncha headies with 4 big plants "without" all the bells and whistles and fear of root rot ........

Not to mention the amount of constant maintenance and monitoring to prevent imminent crop failure I dealt with back in the day with my Krusty bucket setups......now......

Them there "tailpieces" filled with medium as wicks.....Do they sit on the bottom of the bottom "sub-rez" containers for support of the wider/lower upper containers , and are there holes drilled around the circumference of em at the bottom so they drain the pulse feeds faster ?.........IOW.....

D9`s showin the 3 tailpieces on his newest version equidistant from center of the upper container for faster drainage and gas exchange with the increased "pulse feeds" , but he`s usin 3.5 gal buckets for the widemouth upper medium holders ta sit on , so......

I was wonderin if they`re suspended from the bottom containers , or drilled out on the sides at the bottoms to help support the weight of the upper containers with the plants sittin in em.......

If they`re not directly on the bottoms , how`re the tailpieces holdin the "wick" medium in ......anyways........I`m getting closeta wrappin my old ass head round this puppy so ya`ll best watch out ......

10 x 10 room with 5 lights in an "X" pattern , and 4 plants in a "Diamond" pattern be callin my name ..............but.....

Best I ever did consistently with my dialed mex skunk bitch consistently was 10 Lbs ....every run +/- for a decade , so it don`t leave a whole lotta room fer improvement , but I miss it bad........and....

My lil GF`s been askin how and why I get care pkgs from all over for apparently no reason at all , so I`m gonna grow my own shit and send some care pkgs back where those I helped back ta where they came from cuz it`s the right thing to do....anyways........

Shit`s lookin real HL.....Increased foliage/budsite formation along with accelerated growth at earlier plant age is all about knowin when yas`re getting it right.....and......

Looks like yas`re getting it right......Keep dialin Bro.....Only gets better .....and.....

WTF`s Paclo ?......

Peace....Freds............

 

[Aminas]

Beside great info....u guys give great stuff to chuckle about as I'm reading n soakin up the knowledge!!!

 

[silver hawaiian]

Staying tuned in case this becomes a solid discussion re: PGRs..

 

[high life 45]

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Day 15

 

[high life 45]

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[delta9nxs]

Crazy bitches `ll cause yas stitches.......My Ex slung a scovy hoe down through the hood of my brand new Stepside Silverado and all the way through the air filter into the throttle body killin it dead back in `88...and yeah....

It ain`t a good thingy ta tell em up close and personal yas`re shitcannin their ass.......anyways....

I`m hopin for all these details ta get worked out so I can finally come outta retirement fer some headies and grow a 43 lb Pre-98 Bubba PPK plant and go back into obscurity with enough meds to last me till I kick.....

Miss my Bubba.....HL.....Accelerated growth and earlier flower development ain`t such a bad thingy .......Just takes knowin where they`re gonna end up after the flip and end of stretch.....and....

That takes enough runs under yer belt with each individual strain ftw....and then it`s.....

Simple....Babyshit.....

Ya`ll plant murderers are gettin the big plant FAST HYDRO boys all nervous and shit with no root rot and bells and whistles it takes ta survive and pull a decent Harvey.......and guess what....

I love it.....My kinda shit.....

Peace....Freds.....

so your truck had a ho in it?

the problem with waiting until it's done is that it will never be done! i keep swearing to my wife that i'm through fucking with shit and then i do it again. it's addicting.

it's like any technology, computers, cell phones, tvs, cars, almost everything we buy these days is obsolete by the time you get it to your car in the parking lot.

the majors changes are coming fewer and farther apart as we home in on it but can still be significant.

but at this juncture, knowing that you will grow monsters, i would recommend the 3.5 gal bottoms in black from usplastics as they are 90mil and much stronger than anything at lowes or homedepot.

they are strong enough to hold the wide tubs full of turface without the lids if you use the three tailpiece configuration to keep the top tub centered.

i think you should go with the same tubs i'm using from tractor supply again because they are indestructible and the perfect shape.

standard 6" sink tailpieces are fine.

my understanding is that you want to do 4 positions? with heath's 5 light setup flips or not you will grow monsters.

i have personally grown a 22 oz plus plant and several others have reported 26-28 oz's and just the other day we now have a 32 oz plant. it was not grown in a wide ride container but did have saturation pulse.

with four positions a pump of at least 400 gph will be ok. a little more capability won't hurt you if you have something laying around already.

in a few days i will be building a small 3-4 plant vegging system so i can go back to perpetual. i'll take pics and answer questions as i go.

 

[delta9nxs]

Thanx D9 that helped alot.

I won't get started on crazy chicks cuz I finally got a calm mellow one who cooks cleans and trims. No questions asked, doesn't get nosy.

DHF you will not be disappointed with the ppk! I'm excited to hear and see what you bring to the table because this system is an evolving creature all it's own.

I have been paying close attention to the rdwc/UC growers and what they are yielding (with or without paclo) and it makes me feel good about the direction I'm heading.

so what are they yielding these days?