the Hand Watering coco thread

[richy]

right really confused now just read the run off p.h was 7.0 and ppm was 300 hows this and what should i do any one thanks for the advice so far

 

[HarryM]

It sounds like you flushed, which would lower the ppm a lot. I use A.N.'s pH Perfect products, so I don't even own a pH meter. Our water here is very pure (glacier run-off) so pH is stable. I would bring down the pH with pH Down and feed at about 800. Hope that helps.

 

[richy]

Once I've added coco a+b my ph is normally 6.0 but I like my ph to be at 5.8 so 1 drop of ph down normally does it. How come my ph is right up at 7. Does coco rise your ph. Would you set ph a bit lower to reduce it or stick at 5.8 im3 week into flower tommorrow.thanks again

 

[HarryM]

As I said, I don't check pH because I use pH perfect nutes. But, I think that a pH of 5.8 is about perfect for flowering.

 

[Greyskull]

You shouldnt be running any boosters in the first 3-4 weeks of bloom.

Carboload is pointless unless you run bennies..

Im curious what your philosophy is on not feeding boosters the first 4wks of flower...

I hit my girls with a good dose of pk13/14 on days 15 thru 22 to help kick start floral production into high gear. That's it for the PK boosting though. That time frame is also the same time i begin my canna boost cycle (which is a metabolic turbocharger), which ends day 49. It took me a while to ramp back to just hitting them w PK @ 2/3 the suggested rate (only 4ml/G!!!!) in early flower, but its been one of the best things ive ever done, quality wise.
Im curious to your aim.

From what i understand the stuff in carboload and sweet (sugars and carbs) can be used to feed root zone bacterias but they can also help the plants metabolism itself process at a better clip when carbs/sugars are taken up. Im not a science guy i dont do much technical reading but thats what my mentor told me 8-9 years ago and from what ive seen in my garden and others' since it seems to be the case... 'Bennies' or not.

Just another perspective from across the street lol theres no rights and wrongs just what works for you personally and what doesnt.

Aloha

 

[richy]

this is my new and untried feed method so dont shoot me lol canna boost end of week 1 all way thru till week 7 bigbud begining of week 4 for 1 week pk 13/14 week 5 for 1 week overdrive for for 1 week then flush. its 1st time in along while iv used boost n allready on begining of week 3 im geting giddy . ill be using boost again put it that way lol. its expensive yes but its hopfully worth it in the end. how do we put photos up any ideas .as well as been new to this site im also new to computers lol

 

[Jbonez]

Im curious what your philosophy is on not feeding boosters the first 4wks of flower...

I hit my girls with a good dose of pk13/14 on days 15 thru 22 to help kick start floral production into high gear. That's it for the PK boosting though. That time frame is also the same time i begin my canna boost cycle (which is a metabolic turbocharger), which ends day 49. It took me a while to ramp back to just hitting them w PK @ 2/3 the suggested rate (only 4ml/G!!!!) in early flower, but its been one of the best things ive ever done, quality wise.
Im curious to your aim.

From what i understand the stuff in carboload and sweet (sugars and carbs) can be used to feed root zone bacterias but they can also help the plants metabolism itself process at a better clip when carbs/sugars are taken up. Im not a science guy i dont do much technical reading but thats what my mentor told me 8-9 years ago and from what ive seen in my garden and others' since it seems to be the case... 'Bennies' or not.

Just another perspective from across the street lol theres no rights and wrongs just what works for you personally and what doesnt.

Aloha

No doubt bro, Im always open to insight..

Im not aware that plants can use any additional carbs by way of roots, as the carbs they have are manufactured by the light they combine with co2. But ya never know, Im not familiar with the science of it..

I honestly dont even really use bloom boosters, they are technically just nutrients containing more P and K, all comprised of the same compounds found in the base nutrients, so I just up my bloom base when I want extra P.

They really for the fist 3-4 weeks, strain depending, dont seem to have a huge need for addition p or added k, from what Ive seen. Ive never experienced more flowers or earlier flowering because of increasing those before stretch is done, but thats just my opinion..

For simplicity, and based on the nutrient profile of MaxiGro, Im thinking of running MaxiGro from veg till week 3 of bloom, then MaxiBloom for the swell, and 3 weeks prior to harvest hitting em with just Flora bloom till I flush em.. The No3 to Nh4 ratio in the MaxiGro is 4:1, and the iron is DTPA, which is a better chelate. Just from what Im seeing... I can supplement more K and P when needed..

 

[AtLantis]

Love

Love

Bless this thread, 2 more tricks in the book

Might I though be brave and ask a coconut question?

I was wondering,
if you use Atami Coco that already has Kg/m3=0.5 Npk(12-14-24) added to it,
What would happened if you would feed it, for example, H3ad´s Modified Lucas Formula 6/9?
Wouldn't the ratio be put off? And if so how bad?
And also how would you calculate the already present nuts. into the feeding program?
Has anybody wondered on this subject? Or better yet, experimented?


Thanks in advanced

 

[Greyskull]

Im not aware that plants can use any additional carbs by way of roots, as the carbs they have are manufactured by the light they combine with co2. But ya never know, Im not familiar with the science of it..

you should try adding some sugars/carbs to the food. for poops and giggles.

if the plants manufacture their own anyways via light + co2, what the hell why not give em a bit more, right? i can tell the difference adding them to their food. i bet you will too.

I had no idea plants create carbohydrates thru light and co2. i think i recall somethig about it from the defol thread but when that shit came up i just didnt pay attention....

 

[Jbonez]

Bless this thread, 2 more tricks in the book

Might I though be brave and ask a coconut question?

I was wondering,
if you use Atami Coco that already has Kg/m3=0.5 Npk(12-14-24) added to it,
What would happened if you would feed it, for example, H3ad´s Modified Lucas Formula 6/9?
Wouldn't the ratio be put off? And if so how bad?
And also how would you calculate the already present nuts. into the feeding program?
Has anybody wondered on this subject? Or better yet, experimented?


Thanks in advanced

I ran atami for a hot minute, and treated it like any other coco. N is an anion and will not last in coco after a watering or two..

Essentially what they are doing is precharging with cations so your plants have food immediately, those reserves will be used with time, treat the medium the same as if it had nothing..

I wouldnt steer ya wrong..

 

[Jbonez]

you should try adding some sugars/carbs to the food. for poops and giggles.

if the plants manufacture their own anyways via light + co2, what the hell why not give em a bit more, right? i can tell the difference adding them to their food. i bet you will too.

I had no idea plants create carbohydrates thru light and co2. i think i recall somethig about it from the defol thread but when that shit came up i just didnt pay attention....

^^^Definition of photosynthesis lol..

I remember reading something about carb molecules not being available for uptake due to molecular structure.. Dont quote me on that though..

To be honest, I prob do feed them more carbs than most.. I run caps bennies with blackstrap but its strictly for inoculation and in no way do I think the plants benefit from the actual carbohydrates.

 

[Greyskull]

Yeah like i said i dont do a lot of learning haha

Blackstrap mollasses = carbs

I may not know what im doing but god damn if i dont know what im doing haha

I grow pot like i play guitar. I dont know what the fuck im doing technically i dont know keys or time signatures... But gimme a les paul a marshall and a drum beat and i forget i dont know shit. Crazy

 

[richy]

Can u reuse run off ?

 

[vta]

Can u reuse run off ?

I do...in my vegi garden, shrubs and such.

 

[HarryM]

Advice needed on rocketing ppms.

Advice needed on rocketing ppms.

My garden is in about week six of bloom. Things were going well. Then, ppms began to rocket. I keep flushing and using nutes at 800, but rates keep rising. Is this because the plants are using lots of nutes and puking out the salts, or do I have some hidden issue. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

[Jbonez]

My garden is in about week six of bloom. Things were going well. Then, ppms began to rocket. I keep flushing and using nutes at 800, but rates keep rising. Is this because the plants are using lots of nutes and puking out the salts, or do I have some hidden issue. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

PPMs can ONLY rise if the plants take in more water molecules from the solution than nutrients.

What this means is your environment may be causing them to transpire more from excessive heat..

 

[HarryM]

The room temp ranges from about 15.5 (60F) to 23.3 (74F), so I don't think that's it. I use coco so I am not clear what you mean about "PPMs can ONLY rise if the plants take in more water molecules from the solution than nutrients.". Please explain. Thanx.

 

[richy]

Basically your plants not taking up any food or more water than food. Try a quater strength feed. Don't u have e. c truncheon it pays to have 1. Ppm is just like ur e. c level. I have my own fair share of problems. At min I've got like tiny little magotts in top coco any idea how to get shut of the little bleeders

 

[HarryM]

Basically your plants not taking up any food or more water than food. Try a quater strength feed. Don't u have e. c truncheon it pays to have 1. Ppm is just like ur e. c level. I have my own fair share of problems. At min I've got like tiny little magotts in top coco any idea how to get shut of the little bleeders

Turns out I need to start my final flushing, so it's all not an issue any more, but thanks. Oh ya, I forgot: I do have a truncheon.

 

[richy]

Any1 using coco in wilma systems if so how many times would you feed n for how long per cycle thanks