Trying to achieve stronger/better flavors and smells

[Budsworth]

I switched to the Recipe (Rez and Heads modified Lucas Formula) about 18 months ago. Very happy with the results.

However, I now am interested in getting stronger/better flavors and smells.

In my search, several long time experienced growers had suggested switching to Canna nutrients. So...I changed my A and B to Canna. Per instruction...I left everything else the same. Just basically changed my A and B.

I'm on my first crop with that and I'm excited to compare the difference. Harvest is about a week and a half away.

Here's the issue and I'm hoping perhaps you guys can suggest another bloom booster:

Using Kool Bloom (dry) as my bloom booster. Each of those very experienced growers said Kool Bloom is great for big dense buds...but the flavor is just "off" with Kool Bloom.



So now my mission is to find a bloom booster that will give good size buds...and better flavors and smells.


That DOES NOT MEAN I want the flavor altered. I don't want to add some "green apple" shit. I want the flavors and smells enhanced. Pushed to the max. NOT altered.


Here's my latest nutrient regimen:

Canna Coco A
Canna Coco B
Cal/Mag
Dyna-Gro Protekt liquid Silica (started top watering a couple times a week with this. Putting it in my res is a nightmare...and yes...I've tried ALL the suggestions...just fucks with the solution to much to put it in the reservoir anymore)
Dutchmaster Zone
H&G Drip Clean
Kool Bloom (dry version.....top water 3 to 4 times during bloom)


I'm a stickler about flushing, drying, sweating and curing. Use hygrometers and the whole bit.

Now I need a Potassium Phosphate (bloom booster) that won't test as "chemically" as the Kool Bloom...but will still give me large thick buds.


Any suggestions?

 

[Hydro-Soil]

You want more smell and flavor???

Temps at 72 and humidity at 30% I don't appreciate it when my room gets up to 75f before lights out. Night temps no lower than 65F.

When you have 7 days left... start raising your lights a few inches each day. Should be about 4' away by harvest time. This will keep some of the more sensitive turpenes from vaping off.

Have you tried lower doses of Kool Bloom? I've actually used the GH Flora Bloom by itself as a bloom booster... just not efficient. No added taste and I'm SUPER sensitive. LOL Have wanted to switch to Kool Bloom powder but now I dunno.

R/O water... unless your tap water is 150 or less with 'nice' elements in it... use R/O. Huge difference in the end product for someone like me. Less sensitive people may(always) experience less of a difference.

I've heard GREAT things about Floralicious+ about taste and smell enhancement from a lot of very experienced growers. I have yet to try it but am definitely sold on it. Like you... I'd rather not 'taste' the floralicious+ though... I want cannabis and only cannabis.


I've never used zone, drip clean or cal/mag. *shrug*

Stay Safe!

 

[touringfunkband]

Are you not considering Canna Boost for some reason?

It would be interesting to see a Canna Boost - Kool Bloom powder comparison.

 

[unspoken]

I think you should concentrate on feeding them properly without the boosters. Also make sure you are reducing N towards the end of flower. What ec are you running in flower?

 

[Greyskull]

Are you not considering Canna Boost for some reason?

It would be interesting to see a Canna Boost - Kool Bloom powder comparison.

boost is different from koolbloom.

they are not the same thing.

PK13/14... thats a comparable product.

Personally, i would suggest the OP switch Koolbloom for PK13/14, add it only during days 15-22 of bloom, and see what happens.

How often you adding koolbloom?

But thats not gonna enhance or bring out whats in the buds (a PK booster)... only will make them bigger. You need to add some sugar/carbs to the regiment in flower to bring out the aromas & flavors & increase resin content. I have been using original sweet (says berry on it it doesnt add berry flavor or smell to end product) for years and will continue doing so. Mollasses will increase density and add some more resin content, but i dont feel its the same level as original sweet. but its a cheaper alternative.

Boost will help too, BUT ONLY IF YOUR ROOM IS DIALED YOUR PLANTS ARE DIALED EVERYTHING IS PERFECT.

good luck

 

[longwaters]

Fulvic acid and trace elements help a lot. In my experience, giving the plants access to a more diverse mixture of trace elements allows them to synthesize a wider range of terpenes and even cannabinoids. Fulvic helps make all those elements more bio-available.

 

[Budsworth]

I think you should concentrate on feeding them properly without the boosters. Also make sure you are reducing N towards the end of flower. What ec are you running in flower?

About 1200ppm...give or take. And of course we cut down on N towards the end of flower. Our product ALWAYS burns to a white ash.

 

[Budsworth]

boost is different from koolbloom.

they are not the same thing.

PK13/14... thats a comparable product.

Personally, i would suggest the OP switch Koolbloom for PK13/14, add it only during days 15-22 of bloom, and see what happens.

How often you adding koolbloom?

But thats not gonna enhance or bring out whats in the buds (a PK booster)... only will make them bigger. You need to add some sugar/carbs to the regiment in flower to bring out the aromas & flavors & increase resin content. I have been using original sweet (says berry on it it doesnt add berry flavor or smell to end product) for years and will continue doing so. Mollasses will increase density and add some more resin content, but i dont feel its the same level as original sweet. but its a cheaper alternative.

Boost will help too, BUT ONLY IF YOUR ROOM IS DIALED YOUR PLANTS ARE DIALED EVERYTHING IS PERFECT.

good luck

We add Kool Bloom in accordance to Rez's "Recipe".

When I was an organic soil grower I always added Molasses. But yeah...don't use any type of sugars now. I've thought I should start adding sugars in again.

What kind of schedule with sugars?

 

[Budsworth]

Are you not considering Canna Boost for some reason?

It would be interesting to see a Canna Boost - Kool Bloom powder comparison.

Canna Boost is ridiculously expensive. WAY WAY WAY over priced. I'd like to find a different means.

 

[Budsworth]

And just to give some information on what we're trying to achieve:

Living in Colorado...the bar is constantly raised. It's great because the product here just keeps getting better and better. And we try to raise the bar on ourselves constantly.

Well...the wife and I are working on opening a shop next year. We want to market ourselves as high end boutique growers. We always have. But we understand if we're opening a shop that anybody over 21 can come into...and we advertise as "high end boutique"...we feel that we need to take our product to the next level and beyond. Instead of the "Coors and Bud Light" coming out of the majority of dispensaries....we want something along the lines of "Fat Tire and Breckenridge Avalanche".

Hence the reasoning behind this thread. Taking our product to elite levels (and "elite" in Colorado is at a ridiculous level). There is an outrageous amount of competition here...and we aim to be at the top. Product looks fantastic. Smokes fantastic. And our OCD level of drying, sweating, and curing make sure it comes out at a high quality.

But what we have left to work on is pushing the flavors and smells are far as you can push them.


I don't know if any of you cared. But that's the back story.

 

[Greyskull]

We add Kool Bloom in accordance to Rez's "Recipe".

When I was an organic soil grower I always added Molasses. But yeah...don't use any type of sugars now. I've thought I should start adding sugars in again.

What kind of schedule with sugars?

DUDE ADD THE SUGARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for what you are trying to do you need to add sugars to bring out the best in your plants.

Personally, I add Sweet in an escalating rate....
2.5ml/G thru veg

in bloom, days 1-28 i give @ 5ml/G
days 29-35 @10ml/G
days 36-42 @ 15ml/G
days 43-49 @ 25ml/G
days 50+ plain water flush

I used to add sweet for a "sweet flush" during the first few days/week of flushing to make sure the plants had enough energy to properly metabolize but I got lazy and then noticed I liked it better cutting it off at 49.

for plants that I let go 63 days anyways....

im telling you, I swear by berry sweet. I tried citrus, grape, and even the raw, and i felt like at the end they came out different.

good luck.
i like you and the wifes plan. Keep your genetics locked up and youll be aok.

aloha


* I used to operate a dispensary in LA - nothing big but we had a continuous customer base of 300+ patients that relied on us. Its a lot of work. Can be very rewarding...but a lot of work hahahaha. get a good scale - I still use my A&D EK-600I (legal for trade) we got for the shop.
good luck

 

[Budsworth]

DUDE ADD THE SUGARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for what you are trying to do you need to add sugars to bring out the best in your plants.

Personally, I add Sweet in an escalating rate....
2.5ml/G thru veg

in bloom, days 1-28 i give @ 5ml/G
days 29-35 @10ml/G
days 36-42 @ 15ml/G
days 43-49 @ 25ml/G
days 50+ plain water flush

I used to add sweet for a "sweet flush" during the first few days/week of flushing to make sure the plants had enough energy to properly metabolize but I got lazy and then noticed I liked it better cutting it off at 49.

for plants that I let go 63 days anyways....

im telling you, I swear by berry sweet. I tried citrus, grape, and even the raw, and i felt like at the end they came out different.

good luck.
i like you and the wifes plan. Keep your genetics locked up and youll be aok.

aloha

Perfect, Greyskull. That's what I needed to know. Any sugars NOT with "modified" flavors?

I just think my Chem D and Sister smell like a bums sock (in a good way ....god damn I love the taste and smell of the D). I don't want berry flavor. I just want STRONGER flavor and smell but unaltered.

Now my SC99, Bling and Lemon Grass Thai would be great with berry. But not so much on the Chemdog.

 

[cody2white]

Dont forget about the genetics or a stable cure.

 

[Budsworth]

* I used to operate a dispensary in LA - nothing big but we had a continuous customer base of 300+ patients that relied on us. Its a lot of work. Can be very rewarding...but a lot of work hahahaha. get a good scale - I still use my A&D EK-600I (legal for trade) we got for the shop.
good luck

Wife is looking to get out of her industry. She's a workaholic...so she'll do well with day to day operations. She doesn't really understand the nutrient schedules. But I tell her what to do in regards to the plants...and she's ridiculously attentive. Keeps our room spotless and the plants well cared for.

We also know several dispensary growers who, because of the current way their dispensaries haphazardly grow their product have told us they dig our idea and would love to come over from growing massive crops of "mids" to what we're planning on doing. We're quickly assembling a "team". Good stuff, man.

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Not sure if its available where you are, but look into Nectar for the Gods Aphrodite Extraction.

Its a formulation of simple plant sugars without all the thick heaviness of molasses based products.
I dont have experience with sugar products and carbo loads, but will be giving this one a try to see if I can get some more juices flowing.

This is from their website.

Aphrodite’s Extraction provides a rich blend of sucrose, fructose, chelated nutrients, vitamins, and organic acids to promote a thriving microbial population and strong, healthy plant growth. In addition to calcium, microbes need carbon in order to manufacture complex proteins for normal growth and reproduction: low carbon equals low microbial activity. Sucrose is one of the most available forms of carbon for a plant. When sucrose and fructose are blended with proteins, it becomes a microbial feast. Nutrients in Aphrodite’s Extraction are chelated to increase availability to the plant, promoting photosynthesis, structured soils, and increases in disease resistance and yields. This blend provides organic acids necessary for enzymatic activity, and a complete balance of vitamins A, C, D, E, B1, B6 and B12, which are essential to plants’ biological growth processes. Additionally, carbon in the soil determines the magnitude of the Earth’s magnetic field’s effect on plants. Greater carbon presence results in greater magnetic influence, which leads to a faster life cycle.



Tip:

Customers who use Aphrodite’s Extraction have experienced dramatic flavor improvements when applying it in the last weeks of the plants life cycle. The addition of sugar based calcium allows the plant to process more sugars to improve its ability to procreate. Try using Aphrodite’s Extraction as a food source for compost tea brewing. The blend of proteins, organic acids and sugar from carbon make an excellent food source for a microbial rich tea.


Anyone try it yet?

 

[PeopleWish]

Floralicious + read about it.

I also recommend molasses in conjunction with flora +

Flora 1ml per gal
Molasses 10ml per gal

I would not recommend letting either of them conjuring in a reservoir any longer that it takes to administer.

Bringing out flavored is a myth. The flavors lie in your genetics. The vast majority of flavors come from a complete nutrient profile. The concentrations of fulvicsfound in floralicious combined with molasses are the only additives that may increase flavore and aroma.

Gl

 

[Budsworth]

Think I found what I'm looking for, Greyskull:

http://waytogrow.net/store/product/3245/Sweet-Raw-Quart/

 

[Budsworth]

Think I found what I'm looking for, Greyskull:

http://waytogrow.net/store/product/3245/Sweet-Raw-Quart/

 

[Greyskull]

hey man try it
i know youre against anything adding any artificial smells and flavors.

i tried it but went back to original sweet. it says "berry" and has pictures of berries on the bottles, but I swear it wont add anything artificial. Unlike the grape & citrus (which are way newer products original sweet has been around for a decade+

I keep ChemD, and had the sister for a while put her thru the paces (shes stronger imo)... both wont be hindered by the sweet.
I promise.

Heres a ChemD fed canna supplements (including PK13/14 & Boost) + sweet.
I know you cant smell it. Its too bad.... you would not think I added sweet to the nutes but youd notice the stronger smell and presence of more resins....

 

[guerilllataktic]

i add fox farms big bloom and liquid karma @ 3mill/gallon, all but the last week of flower,
that organic touch of the big bloom along with the humates in the liquid karma really add to the smell and flavor without altering it like sugars and carbs. just my two cents