best led products atm?

[Dank §inatra]

mmmh i've done my homeworks for a while now..and from what i've seen lumigrow and california lightworks are very good,but the price is a bit high..also the magnum and penetrators seems good..what's your experience? what do you suggest..? i'm thinking about something with 3 or 5W chips,whith a good spectrum and penetration

 

[Bennyweed1]

mmmh i've done my homeworks for a while now..and from what i've seen lumigrow and california lightworks are very good,but the price is a bit high..also the magnum and penetrators seems good..what's your experience? what do you suggest..? i'm thinking about something with 3 or 5W chips,whith a good spectrum and penetration

I really like these LEDs 3x120w panels @ week 6 - 3 more weeks to go

 

[Dank §inatra]

mmmh nice grow benny..! where have u got them from?

 

[grow_right]

cannot go wrong with advancedledlights.

i have 3, and am extremely pleased. look for my update on the newest xml lamp from advancedledlights.

 

[Bennyweed1]

mmmh nice grow benny..! where have u got them from?

Growledhydro.com

Looking to buy some lights? Im thinking of selling mine to upgrade to fit my space better.

 

[Dank §inatra]

cannot go wrong with advancedledlights.

i have 3, and am extremely pleased. look for my update on the newest xml lamp from advancedledlights.

mmm they seem to have a wide specrum and it's adjustable! this sound awesome..but what does it mean? is an average grower be able to modify the specrum for better results?

 

[Dank §inatra]

mmmh the only problem about led lamps seems to be the different plug and wattage of US and europe.. :S i'm in europe

 

[Useful Idiot]

OK guys ,I am NOT here to hate on LED lighting. I just want to state that upfront. Here is my ?. I have actually been thinking about trying them out. My issue is the footprint of LED is tiny. I have been calculating and have figured that I would actually use more elec with LED with the amount of the fixtures I would need to cover my areas.I saw a vendor on here about 2 years ago that was showing a room with a shit ton of her LED lights alllll over the room that HAD to be using more power than 4 1000 watt HID lights could cover without a problem. I also understand heat,replacement of bulbs ect. My conclusion is that LED lighting is better suited for smaller grows. Am I wrong??? BTW, I am very open minded and will not act like a lil bitch if you school me on the subject.

 

[habeeb]

^ hydro grow led can work for you then ( different cord setups )


on the growledhydro, I would say there decent lights, maybe its all the colors in it, but it works fine, what doesn't is the guys service. bought one , worked just fine, ordered another and didn't work, told him, I'm sending it back as I don't have time to deal with issues like this, he says ok, sent it back, then calls me and tells me he won't refund my money, he will only send me another........ much time wasted later, I figured out this guy is desperate for money, and sells his stuff out of his house.... steer clear if you like customer service is all I can say.. I googled his house ( yes, I'm bad ) and let's just say poor area, poor ethics, poor customer service. as for benny selling them, I'm sure there fine panels if they've been working this long....


I like Hydro grow led right now.. why?
-you can actually talk to someone online 5 days a week
-they actually upgrade there units all the time
-there expensive though, no doubt
-the current models I like, can switch out a cluster if it goes bad, or upgrade it
-they fit with my size setup ( might not for yours though )
-they allowed me to switch the fans and keep my warranty
-very tight nodal spacing
-thing I don't like ( no white )

I'm in no way pushing HGL, but also see if they have any opened units, alot cheaper... also seen some of there older units for very very cheap on ebay...

 

[Useful Idiot]

^ hydro grow led can work for you then ( different cord setups )


on the growledhydro, I would say there decent lights, maybe its all the colors in it, but it works fine, what doesn't is the guys service. bought one , worked just fine, ordered another and didn't work, told him, I'm sending it back as I don't have time to deal with issues like this, he says ok, sent it back, then calls me and tells me he won't refund my money, he will only send me another........ much time wasted later, I figured out this guy is desperate for money, and sells his stuff out of his house.... steer clear if you like customer service is all I can say.. I googled his house ( yes, I'm bad ) and let's just say poor area, poor ethics, poor customer service. as for benny selling them, I'm sure there fine panels if they've been working this long....


I like Hydro grow led right now.. why?
-you can actually talk to someone online 5 days a week
-they actually upgrade there units all the time
-there expensive though, no doubt
-the current models I like, can switch out a cluster if it goes bad, or upgrade it
-they fit with my size setup ( might not for yours though )
-they allowed me to switch the fans and keep my warranty
-very tight nodal spacing
-thing I don't like ( no white )

I'm in no way pushing HGL, but also see if they have any opened units, alot cheaper... also seen some of there older units for very very cheap on ebay...

Thanks Habeeb,maybe I should explain to you the areas I am dealing with at the moment. 1 area is 8x8 using 3 1000 watt hps,other area is 8x9 using 3 1000 watt hps,other area is 5x5 using 1 1000 watt hps. Then there are seed run / testing areas, 3x3 cabs using 600 watt hps,I have 6 of those at the moment. I wont even get into the veg areas atm. You see where I am coming from??

 

[vukman]

OK guys ,I am NOT here to hate on LED lighting. I just want to state that upfront. Here is my ?. I have actually been thinking about trying them out. My issue is the footprint of LED is tiny. I have been calculating and have figured that I would actually use more elec with LED with the amount of the fixtures I would need to cover my areas.I saw a vendor on here about 2 years ago that was showing a room with a shit ton of her LED lights alllll over the room that HAD to be using more power than 4 1000 watt HID lights could cover without a problem. I also understand heat,replacement of bulbs ect. My conclusion is that LED lighting is better suited for smaller grows. Am I wrong??? BTW, I am very open minded and will not act like a lil bitch if you school me on the subject.

Okay...straight goods...99% of all the retailers everyone is talking about here buys from China.. Like it or not.. that is a fact.!!!!!!!!! So I would say check through Alibaba.com and look for manufacturers who produce these lights..

I'm not here to get into a big debate guys...truth is truth..Not going there again.

You can save yourself up to a thousand per light but please do some research first. I'll be the first to tell you that not one advertisement I have seen is truthful enough to tell you that there is no way that a 100W/200W/300W can replace a 1000W HID..The technology is just not there yet. If you get a good spectrum and good ratio, you're looking at about a 600-700W to equal the pull of a 1000W HID. Now, again.....the spectrum and ratio means everything here. Almost forgot.. the lenses also play a very crucial role as well......

Sure it will grow better quality but as far as yield goes...you have to get closer to an even amount of wattage. Now mind you, I am talking commercial here...not anything like 30-40 plants...

Also, it is always better to buy smaller units. If you want to get a yield to equal a 1000W HID, I would recommend getting 4-200W or 3-300W panels.. You'll get better coverage and be able to spread the panels out so you get overlapping areas of coverage...

As you can see, there is a little more involved than just buying lights and turning them on which is another reason a lot of people shy away. The jump and buy something and then swear because it doesn't work the way they wanted it to..research is your best friend here.

That........is as truthful as I can be. If you are still interested and yes.. it is very feasible with today's technology to grow commercially with LEDs, then my friend.. you've got some research to do.

There are a lot of charlatans out there who just want to take your hard earned money.....All I'm asking you do to is educate yourself before you spend that hard earned money..

Good Luck

 

[vukman]

I'm in no way pushing HGL, but also see if they have any opened units, alot cheaper... also seen some of there older units for very very cheap on ebay...

Careful there habeeb.....HGL is different from HLG........HGL is hydrogrowled and you're talking about hydroledgrow........unless Cammie is running both of them...

I haven't looked into retailers in a while so I'm not sure...

Just a heads up before someone else busts you on it... She has made a lot of people very unhappy. So much so that she is known as Cammie the Scammie....Don't shoot the messenger..

 

[Binarylogic]

Heya,

Firstly may I say its nice to see a thread not degrade into a lot of "leds suck". While I may prefer HID to LED I can also see that given time, money, and a lot of effort LED's may be the way forward.

However.... A cursory look at that website (http://growledhydro.com/) I looked at the "Spectra 300" a lamp/array that supposedly has a 3x3 light spread. Below is a direct cut/paste - I encourage you to actually READ what it says.

Spectra LED 290 (New 2011 model)
$749.99
The new website is under construction. The Spectra LED 300w new for 2011. All specs are the same including the use of 12 true wavelengths and 90 degree lens. The new Spectra LED 300w uses 160 high powered 3w chips and draws 290w of power. Ive upgraded the heat sink and drivers. If you have any further questions please e-mail sales@growledhydro.com or use the 'contact us' page.

The Spectra-LED 300 (Actual Power Draw is 305 Watts) Light System emits an unmatched 12+ wavelength illumination, uses true 3 watt LED's at a 90 degree viewing angle unlike any other system on the market today. This powerful system excels in any indoor growing method including, hydroponics, aeroponics, or soil.

At 12 pounds and measuring 19" x 13" x 2.5", this 110 volt dynamo draws a mere 0.65 to 1.25 amps yet delivers 180 watts of light and works in an operating temperature range of -4F +104F -20C~+40C.

My math isn't what it used to be but if the unit draws 290w of power. WHY does it say just a few lines below: "305W actual use". Then a few more sentences later the manufacturer says it provides just 180W of light.

How exactly do 160 "high power 3w leds" only equal 180/290/305 Watts? Surely 3w leds x 160 = 540Watts.

Now even if there is some electrical principle I am unaware of the manufacturer is giving misleading and AT BEST confusing information with regard to their product. For me - that raises way more questions than answers.

Draw your own conclusion.

 

[rives]

My math isn't what it used to be but if the unit draws 290w of power. WHY does it say just a few lines below: "305W actual use". Then a few more sentences later the manufacturer says it provides just 180W of light.

How exactly do 160 "high power 3w leds" only equal 180/290/305 Watts? Surely 3w leds x 160 = 540Watts.

Now even if there is some electrical principle I am unaware of the manufacturer is giving misleading and AT BEST confusing information with regard to their product. For me - that raises way more questions than answers.

Draw your own conclusion.

That website has been a wreck for a couple of years now - I think that the contradictory information is the result of some pretty shitty editing by whoever put the site together for the owner. 3 watt leds are virtually never driven at their nominal rating. It's a goofy setup, but it is almost an industry standard.

I have read numerous reviews of his lights, and many people are happy with them. HGL sells a similar powered light for $1300 vs $750 at GLH, so they damn sure should have a flashier web site. Of course, then you have to deal with Cammie.....

As Vukman said, these lights all come from China. If you start researching them, you will be astounded at the markup that some of these middle-men are getting. Of course, you also get some state-side tech support and access to spare parts. However, if you are at all handy, you could probably buy two for the price of one and have a bunch of spares.

 

[Dank §inatra]

thanks for the links..my only doubt about led panels are that the most of em have the plugs and work at 110V. could we use them here in europe with our 220V maybe using a transformator? any good EU based led producer? i've only seen UFO,phytoled and maybe FERO that are european companies..any suggestion?

 

[Bennyweed1]

Damn another heated LED thread...I love it and the fire still burns years later. I remember the GLH HGL thing. I have growledhydro lights and I dont know the person who made them, where he lives, or how he treated you, but what I know is the lights work and have since I first started using them.

I also have a HGL 126w first gen panel I bought back in like 2009 and it (no offense) does not flower for squat. Its a great veg light though and is what it use to be used for but like many may know, that is if their roots stretch that far back; in the MMJ community, the name Cammie, and HGL are a extremely sensitive subject. I saw countless people banned for the slightest remarks about those lights when Cammie was a mod and a vendor. It was insane and quite possibly worse then Nazi Germany.

 

[vukman]

Heya,

Firstly may I say its nice to see a thread not degrade into a lot of "leds suck". While I may prefer HID to LED I can also see that given time, money, and a lot of effort LED's may be the way forward.

However.... A cursory look at that website (http://growledhydro.com/) I looked at the "Spectra 300" a lamp/array that supposedly has a 3x3 light spread. Below is a direct cut/paste - I encourage you to actually READ what it says.



My math isn't what it used to be but if the unit draws 290w of power. WHY does it say just a few lines below: "305W actual use". Then a few more sentences later the manufacturer says it provides just 180W of light.

How exactly do 160 "high power 3w leds" only equal 180/290/305 Watts? Surely 3w leds x 160 = 540Watts.

Now even if there is some electrical principle I am unaware of the manufacturer is giving misleading and AT BEST confusing information with regard to their product. For me - that raises way more questions than answers.

Draw your own conclusion.

Just to add to what my good friend and brother rives has already said.

Even though the chips are rated at 3W, they are never run at 100%...Usually, they are under-driven to around 600mA or there about. so if you take the number of chips times their wattage..(in this case 3 x 160 x 0.6mA = true draw.....288 approx.....)

That is how all that works out...

To be honest, rives is the only person I know who actually runs his chips at over 100% and gets away with it in a big way...........only because he's an electrical wiz.......hehehe


Hope that clears up some of the confusion...

Good Luck

 

[vukman]

Damn another heated LED thread...I love it and the fire still burns years later. I remember the GLH HGL thing. I have growledhydro lights and I dont know the person who made them, where he lives, or how he treated you, but what I know is the lights work and have since I first started using them.

I also have a HGL 126w first gen panel I bought back in like 2009 and it (no offense) does not flower for squat. Its a great veg light though and is what it use to be used for but like many may know, that is if their roots stretch that far back; in the MMJ community, the name Cammie, and HGL are a extremely sensitive subject. I saw countless people banned for the slightest remarks about those lights when Cammie was a mod and a vendor. It was insane and quite possibly worse then Nazi Germany.

Yeah, well, I don't pull any punches when it comes to the Scammie.......ROFL... haven't gotten banned yet and if I do... fuck them all!!!

 

[chowdan]

Very interesting topic. I'm here just to follow along and see where this thread goes.

However, I wanted to say that I'm not a math person Binarylogic, though i am trying to figure out how you came up with 540w? Using a calculator 3x160 = 480.

Just wondering if you were adding in electronics/cooling power as well?

Vukman, if you get banned, I will be the first to protest. Your sitting almost at 980 posts, you've contributed so much to the forums and I've gone through a lot of your posts. Same with other members on this forum.

Speaking of posts, I love your DIY LED panel. Once I either move into a house, or get more space(currently living in a Studio apartment), I plan on building one just like yours. Seems like yours is quite powerful but a good layout too.

 

[chowdan]

Very interesting topic. I'm here just to follow along and see where this thread goes.

However, I wanted to say that I'm not a math person Binarylogic, though i am trying to figure out how you came up with 540w? Using a calculator 3x160 = 480.

Just wondering if you were adding in electronics/cooling power as well?

Vukman, if you get banned, I will be the first to protest. Your sitting almost at 980 posts, you've contributed so much to the forums and I've gone through a lot of your posts. Same with other members on this forum.

Speaking of posts, I love your DIY LED panel. Once I either move into a house, or get more space(currently living in a Studio apartment), I plan on building one just like yours. Seems like yours is quite powerful but a good layout too.