Need help with what hydro system i should go

[perfekto]

Hey!, i've been doing some grows now in soil and it has going pretty awesome i've been doing better and better each grow and gain more gram's from each plant every season so i've decided that i'm going hydro and will be doing SoG of course.
i realy want to get started asap but i dont know wich system to get, So PLEASE guys help me out here. i know i write bad english and i write alot but please have patience for me and i hope there's some nice guys out there that can help me out on this problem. if its a system that fits 60x60x160cm tent i would like to get 16-18plants. if i need to get a 80x80x180 tent i would like to get 32plants if possible what wattage of leds i will be running stands below​

was thinking to go top44 and another strain that i've not yet decided wich one, will let clones get some roots then turn em to 12/12 asap so they wont get that high and wont bush out to much you think i'm able to do 32 plants?. or would 16-18 be the best

Since i'm not that handy i will buy a system so please respect that and dont tell me to build one. ​

Now to the size of my grow space. i will have one 60x60x160 secret jardin telt for flowering.
and a 40x40x140 one for 2 motherplants and some clones

here's the system i thinking of to get. if you know any better that would suit in my tent's feel free to link em​

http://www.hydroponics.eu/propagati...28/rainforest-2-general-hydroponics-8983.html its 63cm but i think i can get it to fit without any problems.

i can get a bigger secret jardin tent just to be able to use one of these system instead : http://www.hydroponics.eu/nutriculture-amazon-16-plant~5112.html

http://hydroponicdealer.co.uk/index.php/hydro-systems/ebb-flood/ebb-flood-120.html it says that it fit for 4 plants but how many do you guess it can fits?

http://www.hg-hydroponics.co.uk/flo-gro-520-ebb--flood-kit-1475-p.asp will grow up to 10 small plants or one to two larger ones. same here how many you guess it can fits?

http://www.hydroponics.co.uk/Hydroponic-Systems/Pots/Aero-Farm-Aeroponic-System what about this system? could start of with 2 then get more if it goes good

http://www.somhydro.co.uk/product.asp?pid=462 Suits 2-4 medium/large plants. how many you guess fits?​

The rainforest system and Amazon is avaible in a 32 spaces for plants so you know. if i will be useing a 60x60x160 centimeters tent i will be running two of these lamps and will have about 400w of LEDs. http://www.cosmicgrowth.ca/Apollo-6-p/apollo-6-led-grow-light.htm , if i will be getting a 80x80x180 centimeters tent i will be running one Apollo 6 and one Apollo 10 or just two Apollo 10 so about 550-700watt of LEDs.

I hope i dident take up to much time for you guys and i hope some one of you realy tries and takes time to help out a brother in need. to all of you that takes time. this is for you

 

[justanotherbozo]

high man, happy to hear things are progressing so well for you and i wish you all the best in your foray into hydroponics.

...i know you said you aren't the DIY kind of guy and i really do respect that, i'm all for buying a quality system that'll work right out of the box, but i'd personally recommend you try hempy-buckets for your first trip down the hydro road.

if you are unfamiliar with hempy's then you won't know that they are a passive form of hydroponics that is WAY more forgiving than most of the systems you linked to and they are nearly free to make, the only skills you need is you need to be able to read a ruler and drill a hole, i personally prefer to melt my holes with a soldering iron.

basically, a hempy bucket is any container (i personally use cheap plastic 6 liter trash cans) that will fit in your situation. ...what you do is take any container and poke a single hole about 2 inchs up from the bottom of the container, what that does is create a small mini-reservoir at the bottom of the pot which is why this is classified as passive hydro. ...here's a picture of a Folgers can turned into a hempy, note the SINGLE drainage hole.

...anyway, here is a link to the 'official' hempy-bucket thread using hempy's original perlite/vermiculite mix although if you go hunting you will find that hempy switched from the original mix to coco with perlite in the reservoir. ...and don't be put off or intimidated as hempy's are easy as pie and the results are great.

[URL="https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=98419"]The Official Hempy Bucket Thread [/URL]

i'd also like to suggest that a high-density SOG might not be the best way to go, it can get VERY labor intensive and when you crowd too many plants into a confined space you restrict air-flow which invites problems like powdery mildew.

i personally ran a high-density micro-SOG in a small cabinet where i ran 55 plants in 1liter SmartWater bottles and where i harvested 10 every 2 weeks and i did it for over 2 years and while i'm glad i did it, i earned a LOT of experience, i'm equally glad i'm not doing it any more.

keep in mind too that a SOG is a perpetual harvesting scheme and can be tailored to fit your particular situation, for example, i run my space on a perpetual, 8 - 10 week cycle, strain depending, so i start them all at once and i harvest them all at once but there is no down time as i always have the next run vegged and ready to begin the same day i chop.

also, i'd suggest that while you are researching hempy-buckets you also investigate bare-bulb vertical growing, a much more efficient orientation where you will greatly increase your yeilds.

...here is a thread on the topic to help get you started.

[URL="https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=127881"]Benefits of Vertical Growing[/URL]

good luck and have fun!

bozo

btw, here's a shot of a couple i grew out in 3liter soda bottle hempy's to show you how well they do even in such small containers.

 

[DemonPigeon]

Hae you thought about passive hydro? Just what you're currently doing but with a soilless mix, same methods, easy to take care of but with faster draining which means better oxgenation, less waterlogging, easy nutrient unput adn you can also tinker a lot with the proportion of different substrates in the "soil" which allows you to care very specifically for the plants you have and doesn't require the tech knowledge/expense most "true" hydro systems use

 

[medicalmj]

Based on what you said I recommend an ebb and flow table (sorry didnt check out the links). I would use 4x4x4 rockwool cubes. This is an amazingly simple and productive system. Great for a first time and great if you aren't limited by a small plant count. It's just a table, a res, a pump and a good timer. The epitome of K.I.S.S!

An ebb and flow table can be bought turnkey and ready to go. About the only thing I'd really look for when comparing systems is the one with a good cycle timer. You want to be able to flood about once an hour for a couple minutes, or only as long as it takes to fill table.

I have a friend who the most aloof grower and he gets awesome yields with an ebb and flow table. The simplicity and great yields is what he likes most. So that's why I recommend first go. Then you can get to the more complicated systems, which I can tell you from experience dont mean better yields.

 

[perfekto]

high man, happy to hear things are progressing so well for you and i wish you all the best in your foray into hydroponics.

...i know you said you aren't the DIY kind of guy and i really do respect that, i'm all for buying a quality system that'll work right out of the box, but i'd personally recommend you try hempy-buckets for your first trip down the hydro road.

if you are unfamiliar with hempy's then you won't know that they are a passive form of hydroponics that is WAY more forgiving than most of the systems you linked to and they are nearly free to make, the only skills you need is you need to be able to read a ruler and drill a hole, i personally prefer to melt my holes with a soldering iron.

basically, a hempy bucket is any container (i personally use cheap plastic 6 liter trash cans) that will fit in your situation. ...what you do is take any container and poke a single hole about 2 inchs up from the bottom of the container, what that does is create a small mini-reservoir at the bottom of the pot which is why this is classified as passive hydro. ...here's a picture of a Folgers can turned into a hempy, note the SINGLE drainage hole.

View Image

...anyway, here is a link to the 'official' hempy-bucket thread using hempy's original perlite/vermiculite mix although if you go hunting you will find that hempy switched from the original mix to coco with perlite in the reservoir. ...and don't be put off or intimidated as hempy's are easy as pie and the results are great.

[URL="https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=98419"]The Official Hempy Bucket Thread [/URL]

i'd also like to suggest that a high-density SOG might not be the best way to go, it can get VERY labor intensive and when you crowd too many plants into a confined space you restrict air-flow which invites problems like powdery mildew.

i personally ran a high-density micro-SOG in a small cabinet where i ran 55 plants in 1liter SmartWater bottles and where i harvested 10 every 2 weeks and i did it for over 2 years and while i'm glad i did it, i earned a LOT of experience, i'm equally glad i'm not doing it any more.

keep in mind too that a SOG is a perpetual harvesting scheme and can be tailored to fit your particular situation, for example, i run my space on a perpetual, 8 - 10 week cycle, strain depending, so i start them all at once and i harvest them all at once but there is no down time as i always have the next run vegged and ready to begin the same day i chop.

also, i'd suggest that while you are researching hempy-buckets you also investigate bare-bulb vertical growing, a much more efficient orientation where you will greatly increase your yeilds.

...here is a thread on the topic to help get you started.

[URL="https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=127881"]Benefits of Vertical Growing[/URL]

good luck and have fun!

bozo

btw, here's a shot of a couple i grew out in 3liter soda bottle hempy's to show you how well they do even in such small containers.

View Image

Can i still do perlit/vermculit or do i need to go cocos and perlit as you said that they have changed?.
since i will just let the clones get roots then i'll switch em to 12/12 for flowering what kind of buckets do you think i need?. i dont want to large once and not to small once aswell.

So none of the systems above would be good to start of with as first timer?. i would like to have atleast 18 plants but i dont know what system that can fit that many plants since they only say some of them are suitable for like 4plants on the homepage's

I will read some about the hempty and the vertical you told me about, some great info

you also said you ranned a high density-sog and that you are equally glad i'm not doing it any more. why's that?. dident you get alot of yeild overtime?. couse thats what i'm after and they say SoG is the best way to go then and since i'm doing LEDs i cant go vertical

 

[perfekto]

So their's none here that can recommend a system that i've linked instead?. and that know how many plants i can fit in that system since the homepage only says 4 plants for example but i'm going SoG and they wont be that high or bushy

 

[perfekto]

btw, can anyone tell me how many plants i should get into a 60x60x160 centimeters grow tent for getting a good SoG?. will get a strain that dont bush to much and dont get that high since thats the whole idea about SoG. someone told me 8 plants but that seems abit to little for my ears

 

[ThePizzaMan]

I would stick with coco and some amendment like perlite or hydroton to break it up a bit. With a 2' X 2' X 5' space you are extremely limited in what you can do. You should be able to get about 16 plants crammed in there...and of coarse you will have zero veg time. I am assuming an HPS lamp and hood for flowering...and some sort of scrubber or ventilation system for your tent....you will be wanting more space quickly.

Save up some more $$$ and get a bigger tent. Get a 5' X 5' tent...and then get yourself a 1000w HPS and a 4X4 ebb and flood tray with a 50 gallon reservoir. Pack 64 plants on that tray in small 5"x5" containers....

Cheers

TpM

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

COCO+EASY= P.P.K. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=138004

Your welcome...

 

[medicalmj]

Pizza man's gots a point. The 4x4 ebb n flow table will yield greatest since you dont mind higher plant count. I still like RW 4x4x4 cubes when packing em in tight. Otherwise hydroton with a lil coco mixed in to keep em moist b/w cycles is one of the things I playing with...put em in anything from a 1 quart to 2 or 3 gal pots designed (or make) for ebb and flow. Simple and productive. I've used 18 gal totes for a res and a concrete mixing tubs (new from HD or Lowes) for the table w/ great results.

 

[clown baby]

Ebb and Flow is almost foolproof. No driplines to deal with. No roots submerged in water (read: no pythium issues). One pump. One reservoir.

I prefer hydroton, as it's almost impossible to overwater. Not a big fan of the rockwool blocks.

 

[medicalmj]

Well the consensus is pretty clear as to the ideal system for a SOG for a first time, albeit some personal preferences on media. You can buy one of these turnkey systems with lots of hoses and pumps and prolly need a chiller in summer, but why?

Reason the ebb n flow table is not one of the links is because it's too simple. Call down to one of these shops and tell them you want a 4x4 flood table (white!)with the riser and drain, the stand, a res, a pump and a good timer. Done! Trust us, you can get complicated and have root rot later...

Clown baby has a point about hydroton. That's the

 

[medicalmj]

One more thing, the 4x4x4 cubes are inches, so 10x10x10cm+-, seen folks do SOG w about 2" (5cm) spacing so that'd be about 36-40 per m^2. So for a 60 cm x 60 cm with 10 x 10 x10 cm RW cubes you'd be looking at about 20 plants. And those will be one solid bud each, which why SOG is awesome if you can grow lots of plants.

 

[perfekto]

if i would like to fit in lets say 15 plants atleast and if i now will do with hempy buckets, and since i will take clones and just let em root then turn to 12/12 so zero vegg time of course after they got some nice roots. what size of the bucket do i need to use then in a 60x60x160 tent?. since i dont want to small pot's couse i want to get atleast those 15 plants in and let em get as big as i can get em while doing it SoG-style what bucket or bottle should i use?. is a 2liters cocacola bottle to small ? since if i use those bottle i can fit way more then 15 plants in and 5liters buckets are to big any idea's?

And i will be running co2 in the tent and have a normal fan that will just blow around the air inside that not a computerfan but a normal desktop fan. and wont running and carbonfilter. while having co2 in a 60x60x160cm tent and more then a few plants but no heigh or big growing do i need an fan that blows out the air aswell?. will be running Apollo LED's so dont have to worry about the heat. will have either 550watt LED with Apollo 6 and a Apollo 8 or two Apollo 8 that will give me 700watt of LED

 

[johnnyrotten]

If your going to do a hempy SOG, you should make them from 2 liter bottles...

I have a couple flowering plants in hempy buckets right now (70/30 coco/perlite) and they are easy, when water comes out the hole you've fed enough...

I also have some plants using smart pots and straight coco... These are easy as well, just feed everyday until I get some runoff...

A couple weeks ago, I started some plants in PPK's, another passive hydro system with a pulse watering system... After setting it up, it's much easier than hempy but it takes a little diy... The whole system cost less than $150 and $100 was for a cycle timer...the plants grow much faster than in a hempy or smart bucket from what I've experienced...

The reason I like passive hydro is because even if my timer broker my plants would continue to get fed until my res ran out of nutes...no chiller or air pumps needed...

 

[bugman52]

for your space 2 liter bottles will do fine

 

[PetFlora]

In my thread, I am doing a comparison of 3 different hydro methods. Now in late flower. Lots of pics and updates. This should help you decide which is best for you

 

[perfekto]

how much can each plant give in 2 litre bottel?. shouldent i use a 3Liter bucket instead?. since i will use a DIY cloner with air stone should i put the clones in some kind of medium that i later dig in the hempy bucket/ or hempy bottle?. since else the clones will be standing for them self if i dont use a rockwool cube or just a root.it cube or what?. and do i only use perlit in the resvoir? . and the other i mix perlit and vermculit together?

 

[johnnyrotten]

how much can each plant give in 2 litre bottel?. shouldent i use a 3Liter bucket instead?. since i will use a DIY cloner with air stone should i put the clones in some kind of medium that i later dig in the hempy bucket/ or hempy bottle?. since else the clones will be standing for them self if i dont use a rockwool cube or just a root.it cube or what?. and do i only use perlit in the resvoir? . and the other i mix perlit and vermculit together?

Your doing a sog, not growing trees...the 2 liter will work great...cut the top off a 2ltr bottle, burn a hole about 2 inches from the bottom and add perlite to the bottom of the hole and then add coco to the top...

When the clones are rooted, just put them in the hempy bottle and feed them... Use foam pieces to hold the stems while they are in the cloner...

 

[johnnyrotten]

I almost forgot, feed every day until the nutes drain out the hole... You can feed every other day but don't let the coco get dry...