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Old 07-03-2009, 05:08 PM #1
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Benefits of Vertical Growing

Hello all, well we done it, all your vote's showed that there is a keen interest in the subject of vertical growing, thank you all that have voted and than you Gypsy for making this happen!

I have always seen vertical grows on the net over the years but never really give it any thought, then when I started seeing the results that some of these vertical setups were getting I was instantly hooked!! There are so many benefits to vertical growing that I sometimes wonder why everyone isn't doing it. There is a lot of equipment for horizontal growing such as, Reflectors, Light Rails, air-cooled hoods, EZ Roller's, etc most gardens are focused in a horizontal setting. If everyone grew vertically then the hydroponics stores would be out of a good chunk of business from not selling their horizontal designed equipment. I have noticed that when I talk with my hydro guys and bring up the vertical growing method they look at me like I'm nuts and try to push their other horizontally inclined ideas onto me.

There are some legendary vertical growers out there like Heath Robinson this guy reported to me that he is achieving an absolutely massive 2.5 grams per watt, now although he is using a heavy yielder (critical mass) It's still a shock to think someone can produce this in a small scale grow, (600w) that's why we needed this area to focus all our knowledge and to help everyone build their own vertical system, I'd rather do that than pay thousands for some of the commercial vertical growing system's out there.

Here are some diagrams that I think Krusty made a few years ago to explain why vertical lighting works so well as opposed to horizontal.















As you can see their are a few benefits to vertical lighting, Number 1 The majority of the heat produced by the HID is pushed upwards to your exhaust vs the horizontal hood that traps heat and directs it at your plant's. The main advantage to this is that you can put your plants closer to your bulb's without worrying about burning them, 1 grower I know can get his plants up to 6" from his 1000w bulb but keeps them back a few more inches due to the buds getting bleached from to much light!!

Number 2 The next benefit of vertical growing is that you will be using 360o of your light, you want to absolutely cover the outer diameter of the bulb with plants so barely any light can escape, this will give you the best efficiency, you will be blasting your plants with as many lumen's as possible. Compare this method to a horizontal garden, if you look at the diagrams you can see that a massive 75% of the light is reflected thus killing a lot of lumen's in the process, lumen's that I'd prefer getting to my plants, and after all less lumen's = less yield and we don't want that now do we!

Benefit Number 3, This next benefit is for space, the amount of space you save by growing is phenomenal, a 600w lamp would be fit for a 4X4 area at very most, and even this is only a low 37.5 watts per square foot. compare this to a vertical set up, you could have a vert system 3 foot in diameter but 8 foot high and fill it with 300 plants have 5 of these in one room......ya get the idea? If not here is a pic to explain the major benefit of space improvement.



As you can see you would be improving your space by 135%! That's a huge increase.

Here is another diagram that you should have a look at.


Right well according to this chart the maximum distance you can get your plants to your 1000w hid is 10 inches, this will blast 64,000 at them compared to 44,000 at 12 inches, that's a BIG drop for only 2 inches. How far do you keep your plants from your bulb?

Another benefit of this system is that you can slow down the stretch on plants, this is very handy for growers wanting to grow sativa's that have a 3 x + stretch. In some of the v-scrog grows I've come across it would seem that when you stop raising the light the plant responds by cutting it's stretch and focus more of it's energy in bud production which is real handy I think you would agree.

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Old 07-03-2009, 05:54 PM #2
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Excellent post. Heath has designs he will give away that produce just as you stated. I am as amazed as you more people are not doing it. The advantages make it undebateable against horizontal unless you have a very short space to work with. Some major advantages are:
1. Cheapest light set up. A ballast and a hanging bulb.
2. Most efficient and environmentally friendly.
3. Easiest to ventilate without expensive equipment since the heat goes straight up.
4. Yields horizontal can't compete with.
5. Plenty of simple designs that can be built by the average person without spending a fortune.

The only knock I see is the plant numbers associated with the highest yielding sog versions but there are still versions like green bastard's that do not use high numbers or krusty's version that uses minimal numbers. Congratulations on getting this forum created.
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Old 07-03-2009, 08:30 PM #3
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Thank you HGO! Thank you GN!

I'm totally on the vertical bandwagon... have been for a few years. But, I disagree with some of the hype that is associated with the vert grow...

1. Plants grow differently - you have to grow them differently. I almost don't feel it is an apples to apples comparison when talking yields. After all, the direct light is less vs horizontal (per plant) as half the plant is not directly lit & there is no reflected light benefit. The impact of this effects your set-up, plant type, training/trimming techniques, growth characteristics & total yield, if not more. It's more like apples to oranges.

2. The "best" way to maximize yields & get absolutely great qual nugs (top to bottom), is to grow many smaller sized plants (sog premise of 6" at flower & near 18-20" at finish). This guaranties top cola quality nugs all the way around. I don't have mid-grade nugs from this set-up. However, it is very difficult to operate within the emerging conventions & laws. I'm struggling with this as we speak.

3. To totally maximize the 360d effect of maximizing total grow footprint (the real advantage, imho) requires quite a bit of effort... both on the front side & during the grow. I just don't feel this is for the light of heart as it requires an investment of build know-how & dollars. This is a labor intensive grow.

With all of this said, even if you are growing a longer strain with less than ideal yields, it is my experiences to regularly achieve .9-1.3g/watt. This isn't focusing (at all) on bumping it out. I could see getting the 2.0g mark with effort & genetics. Heath's achievements shouldn't be expected as the "norm".

Just my take as want to temper the enthusiasm. Best to all!

;-) fig this would start off some controversy as well...
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I will be interested to follow this idea. I am 5-10 yrs away from my kids being gone and being able to build a grow area the way I want it. I've seen this idea before, but didn't really look at it as feasable for non-commercial types like me. I will be interested as well to see if somebody downsizes this idea into a smaller cabinet with a 150w or 400w.

Very enticing concept. Time to put my thinking cap on....
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Very good posts with good information regarding all these charts

cant wait to go vertical myself but so far im very busy with my outdoor grow and using the "free" hps for awhile still
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:31 AM #7
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This is my 1st vertical run.Its differant and I have a new plant I'm learning to grow.There about 6 cfl's in there too

400 watts and a bunch of fans.
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:36 AM #8
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wow, i need to read up!!

a bevy of info!!!

thank you for sharing!!
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So first off, awesome that we have a vert section now. Didn't see the poll, but i'm glad this went through!!!

One of the biggest benefits that i have found with vertical growing, has been light stacking. Its easy to cool lights in cool tubes, stacked on top of each other. Very straight shot, and this no problem with 1 fan cooling them all. In my opinion radiant heat is also much reduced over a standard horizontal air-cooled setup. There is no surface for the light to bounce of off, and heat, except the glass of course.

Another benefit of light stacking is of course the additional light that everything gets. I don't have any light gaps in my cage type setup. I don't have the charts on it, but I've read that by stacking lights, the lumens cast by everything becomes more even, thus leading to even growth in your canopy.

I also like the fact that I am most efficiently using my light, all 360 degrees of it. But more importantly, plants love it too. I'm referring of course to the additional ones I am able to put, due to more light coverage space.
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ok, so if one were going to try vertical...what would one need, say, if he has the light & ballast already (400 watt HPS), and his space is setup in a basement with 9 feet of height...roughly 3 feet deep by 7 feet long...

i would love to learn this method!!
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