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Jamorg13

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So, I am given to beleive that since growing your own is now permitted in these states that more people will just grow their own as well and the numbers in tax revenue may be over inflated.

What I was responding to is the above quote, saying that you cannot simply grow your own for recreational use in Washington state. You have to pay a 1200 fee, and submit an FBI background check. Also these licenses will not be unlimited, so it is very unlikely that every person who wants to grow for themselves will be able to obtain a license. That is not the same as just being able to grow your own in your closet.
 

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anyone who votes no on legalization in your state are just needs to think on a broader level. it will be a domino effect. Just like Medical Marijuana. i have been on boards like these since 1999, watching each state and cities, and other countries, change their look, and laws on Marijuana. Every Defeat they have, is one more notch in their 1000 notch belt. Every win for us, is a Mile Stone, and i, and many other people are willing to walk to the end of that mile, to see the end, and back again. Viva Marijuana!\
 
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Saying that you can grow for you own personal recrtetional use is like saying, you can distill liquor at home for personal use, you just need to open up a distillery.
 

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Just as the gay community termed santorum as a word, we will coin Romney. A Romney, is a CEO that cuts jobs and wages just because they didnt win.

did you notice all the CEO's firing people after only 2 days went by. Sheldon Adelson wasted 100 million dollars to get Romney elected. Billionaires spent 6 billion dollars on this election. THAT IS 120,000 jobs at $50,000 a year.

..............and some how it's Obama's fault they can't afford to hire. Such fucking bullshit. THE SO CALLED PARTY OF RESPONSIBILITY HAS NOT DONE A RESPONSIBLE THING SINCE BEFORE NIXON. FAKE CONSERVATIVES!

FUCK ROMNEY.FUCK THE NEO-CON G.O.P. they are Plutocrats not conservatives.
 
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I understand you think it is like liquor. It is. You can licensed for that too. you just have to go through the proper legal channels. they want to make sure it is safe so you dont hurt people. I think that is lame, but that is what you gotta do, and then you can be legal.
PART III LICENSING AND REGULATION OF MARIJUANA PRODUCERS, PROCESSORS, AND RETAILERS

NEW SECTION. Sec. 4. (1) There shall be a marijuana producer's license to produce marijuana for sale at wholesale to marijuana processors and other marijuana producers, regulated by the state liquor control board and subject to annual renewal. The production, possession, delivery, distribution, and sale of marijuana in accordance with the provisions of this act and the rules adopted to implement and enforce it, by a validly licensed marijuana producer, shall not be a criminal or civil offense under Washington state law. Every marijuana producer's license shall be issued in the name of the applicant, shall specify the location at which the marijuana producer intends to operate, which must be within the state of Washington, and the holder thereof shall not allow any other person to use the license. The application fee for a marijuana producer's license shall be two hundred fifty dollars. The annual fee for issuance and renewal of a marijuana producer's license shall be one thousand dollars. A separate license shall be required for each location at which a marijuana producer intends to produce marijuana.
(2) There shall be a marijuana processor's license to process, package, and label useable marijuana and marijuana-infused products for sale at wholesale to marijuana retailers, regulated by the state liquor control board and subject to annual renewal. The processing, packaging, possession, delivery, distribution, and sale of marijuana, useable marijuana, and marijuana-infused products in accordance with the provisions of this act and the rules adopted to implement and enforce it, by a validly licensed marijuana processor, shall not be a criminal or civil offense under Washington state law.

I read the entire initiative before I voted no on it. I am sticking by my point, because I am correct. IT IS NOT LEGAL FOR SOMEBODY TO JUST GROW FOR THEIR OWN RECREATIONAL USE IN WASHINGTON STATE.

If you think legal means it is gonna be untaxed, and unregulated, that is naive. It will not be like tomatoes in our life time, because tomatoes dont make you high.
I posted the part again where it says anyone over the age of 21 can be licensed. that is a legal as it is gonna get. the cost of the license may go down, but probably will go up.

You have to be a certain age to get a DL and you have to pay for, but it does not mean it is illegal. it means there is legal guide lines.

Also learn how government works. you obviously need to learn more about how change occurs in the USA if you are voting no on bills like this.

If you think this negates med laws too like all the people that voted no on prop 19 in cali. GUESS WHAT? MED LAWS ARE NOT EFFECTED. hope that comforts you.
 
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And four years ago Obama said he was in favor. You must be pretty bored with life when you start listening to what politicians say. The president speaks. And Holder acts.

from where i am sitting , i don't think all this progression would have happened under a different president , you guys are practically legal . it wasn't to long ago people were getting 20 years for growing a few plants , i know different states have dif laws and that the feds are still saying weed is bad like coke , but over all if you want to live in the land of milk and honey smoking up all day with out the hassle of days gone by , you can choose a nice spot in many of the cannabis friendly states ,

Mit was at least gonna end all the hard work citizens have done under the Obama years .

what you think , i am only just piecing together info from what i have read . i am so stunned that two sates are legal , are those two states going to make more money from weed taxation this way or are we witnessing some thing truly for the people ?
 

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I understand you think it is like liquor. It is. You can licensed for that too. you just have to go through the proper legal channels. they want to make sure it is safe so you dont hurt people. I think that is lame, but that is what you gotta do, and then you can be legal.




If you think legal means it is gonna be untaxed, and unregulated, that is naive. It will not be like tomatoes in our life time, because tomatoes dont make you high.
I posted the part again where it says anyone over the age of 21 can be licensed. that is a legal as it is gonna get. the cost of the license may go down, but probably will go up.

You have to be a certain age to get a DL and you have to pay for, but it does not mean it is illegal. it means there is legal guide lines.

Also learn how government works. you obviously need to learn more about how change occurs in the USA if you are voting no on bills like this.

If you think this negates med laws too like all the people that voted no on prop 19 in cali. GUESS WHAT? MED LAWS ARE NOT EFFECTED. hope that comforts you.
I think we are just misunderstanding each other. All that I am saying is that basically an individual cannot just simply grow for personal use like most people now think thinks they can, in WA. In CO, which I think passed a much better law, a person can grow 6 plants themselves without any of the other BS. I agree that this is a step in the right direction for legalization. And I understand that this does not effect medical laws.
 

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ok we are on the same page now. you see that it can be done, but you cant just go and plant your seeds willy nilly in yiur back yard and expect no consequence. You still have to get licensed.

the difference in opinion we are having is the definition of legal. It is Legal but regulated. which is technically a grey area so I see what you are getting at.

My over all point is I just want people to know that there is a way. I wan to encourage them to grow, as I am sure you do as well. I want as many people in WA to have rec cards as med cards. :D

I agree Colorado has truly freed the herb in there sate. I like that better. Any one should be able to grow as much as they want with no tax or worry of jail; but one step at a time.
 

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I agree Colorado has truly freed the herb in there sate. I like that better. Any one should be able to grow as much as they want with no tax or worry of jail; but one step at a time.
Exactly. Baby steps.
Are you trying to grow in CO or WA? I am looking at getting the license here in WA, but I am just a little nervous about it. I like how you said have a med card and the license as a double layer of protection, I never even thought about doing that.
 

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^ I am in research phase to see if it is practical for me in a few years. Gotta plan well and see what the feds do first. that is the real problem.

you should also incorporate your company and license it maybe. I know it helps with protection from bankruptcy and other risks. also tax brakes are available too.

the more legit and normal you make it the better it will be. I would imagine modelling it off of a tobacco shop would be good. Have a door greeter that checks id. then inside have a selection of herb in locked bins, that people can slide open a little door and smell it. Then have a selection of pipes and good cigar lighters that burn clean.

I wouldnt make it all stoner looking. it would qualify as what squares would call "a nice, respectable, establishment."
 

Jamorg13

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So you want to retail?

Yea im in the same boat on the waiting aspect. I dont want to be the first in line. This next year will be interesting for sure.
 

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Hello all,

I wonder what WA state's position of brewing your own beer is? I am inclined to see a parallel.

Does WA state care about the amatuer brewers?

How would a state regulate that which can be made in your backyard in an afternoon?

minds_I
 

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So you want to retail?

Yea im in the same boat on the waiting aspect. I dont want to be the first in line. This next year will be interesting for sure.


I want to have a farm up north and a shop front in Seattle, but since I cant do that and they have to be separate I'll go to the farm, and have a friend open up a store and I'll supply to him. I am sure a store front will make more, and need multiple suppliers, but I want to grow. that's my passion. I feel lost with out some plants around. lol still all pipe dreams st this point. I already live in a good place and have a really nice set up, so we have to make sure it will be better and more profitable for us to move. Otherwise we stay put.

Hello all,

I wonder what WA state's position of brewing your own beer is? I am inclined to see a parallel.

Does WA state care about the amatuer brewers?

How would a state regulate that which can be made in your backyard in an afternoon?

minds_I

I think small batch home brewing is ok but you still need a license to sell it. Home brewing beer is not as dangerous as liquor because there is not a big explosion factor. I know home brewing beer and wine is ok in many states.
 

Jamorg13

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Yea both would be ideal, but since i already grow and enjoy it i would much rather stick to that. So your planning on moving here or are already here?

Hello all,

I wonder what WA state's position of brewing your own beer is? I am inclined to see a parallel.

Does WA state care about the amatuer brewers?

How would a state regulate that which can be made in your backyard in an afternoon?

minds_I

Yup home brewing and wine making for your own use is legal in WA, but liquor is not. We make it all anyways lol
 

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I want to have a farm up north and a shop front in Seattle, but since I cant do that and they have to be separate I'll go to the farm, and have a friend open up a store and I'll supply to him. I am sure a store front will make more, and need multiple suppliers, but I want to grow. that's my passion. I feel lost with out some plants around. lol still all pipe dreams st this point. I already live in a good place and have a really nice set up, so we have to make sure it will be better and more profitable for us to move. Otherwise we stay put.



I think small batch home brewing is ok but you still need a license to sell it. Home brewing beer is not as dangerous as liquor because there is not a big explosion factor. I know home brewing beer and wine is ok in many states.


Try finding Tobacco seeds though ;) not on the internet! ha ha. even then..

I always compared Marijuana more like Smoking Cigarettes, ( in a regulated world) as it is smoking.... and its a plant you grow, dry, and process, not brew like a drink. even cure.. way too close honestly.
 

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Yea both would be ideal, but since i already grow and enjoy it i would much rather stick to that. So your planning on moving here or are already here?



Yup home brewing and wine making for your own use is legal in WA, but liquor is not. We make it all anyways lol

not planning on moving yet, but doing the research. I will wait to see how the feds react that's for sure. See life is good now. don't wanna get "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome.
 
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I hear that Hash. A dude I knew always said, "Pigs get fatter. Hogs get slaughtered."
I just almost lost everything trying to grow SSH from Dinafem w/ 15-16 weeks flowering time and noone even liked it. I thought the grass would be greener, but it wasnt. LOL
Thank God I got Critical+ and Blue SharkTooth to save my ass. Im just gonna make it.
 

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^ya i dont know about the dinafem ssh. I dont grow anything feminized in general. I know if you can find the skunk or nl leaning phenos of mr. nice ssh you will not be disappointed with the quality, but if you gotta make money you need to make sure you have a proven bottom bitch around. LVPK is my bottom bitch. I would recommend her.
 
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