The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Tom Hill]

Would be in the training of food refusal. Any dog worth his snot needs to learn this. The only way we can train it, is remotely, via electric shock. Properly done, guy walks up to the fence, throws poison bacon over, dog even sniffs it, and keeper shocks the crap out of dog from inside the house. Dog learns that dude bearing bacon is a son of a bitch, starts to go of on man, becomes civil when dude throws bacon over the fence, perfect, but a pittiy is just too fucking hard and dumb to ever come to this conclusion, believe me I have tried.

 

[Tom Hill]

Thank you Peks, these guys may think I want to pick on their choice of dog, but really, I just want to make sure they have some clue in choosing and training one.

 

[Tom Hill]

No dogs are dumb bro, when I say dumb, I mean hard as hell, pit guys call it game, ie they do not take to corrections very well at all. Where as a soft dog (Many might call it an intelligent dog), will correct themselves without force, eg throw their ears back when they know they've done something wrong. Pits don't do that comparatively, not even after the fucking kid is dead...

 

[Tom Hill]

Opps, I thought it was a seal says the great white shark, yeah, maybe I did mean dumb as snot..

 

[sour power]

lol

 

[bajangreen]

A Guy that Hates Pitts cant be my friend at all, these are the best dogs out. don't mind they usually are only easily trained buy the person that raised them where as other dogs can be trained by anyone.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

We breed Papered Gottiline/Bluenose. Over here in the valley, I have two working Pitts. One female Blue razor, and a large rednose male. The Gottis are in Humboldt taking care of business.They are very intelligent. The Gottiline male and the Red nose Male have been known to speak, quite often. The Gotti says very clearly " I Love You. The red greets with hello. When I say working, they patrol my plants. Any sound and its rocket launch. They Love and adore children. One sleeps on the bed, one at the foot of the bed, backs to me guarding me as I sleep. One faces the window and one faces the door. That is work in my opinion. They are very serious about guarding me and the property
Ive had all kinds of dogs over the years, Golden retrievers, Labs, Queensland healer( I put that one down after face biting a weird (crack baby)teasing child twice.

My pitts would never bite a child. The retrievers and Labs I had were nowhere nears as intelligent as the pitts. The Pitts are more like Humans in my opinion.They know the smell of a seal. They know people better then I do at times. They are first defence, then the Shotgun and the S and W 500 MAG comes out to play. Ive never been ripped, and plenty of people know I grow.

 

[Tom Hill]

keep em up on the bed like that, then try to bring in new talent, then get back to me about the wisdom of it all...

 

[Tom Hill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ5DBOmH9T8 to my dog...lol

 

[Dr. Purpur]

I terminated the Outdoor grow today, by harvesting the NH/Kariba, NH /Oaxacan, and NH/Mullimbimby Madness.

Ive already moved indoors, running Daywrecker Diesel, OG, a couple new Orange Crush/ LA/Lavender crosses I made, and another cross I did last year that yielded giant plants of top quality deadripe Mango/Papaya smelling Kush. People did real well with this clone. I call it Mangla. Its my LA mother I hit with a great MNS Mango Haze male. Im getting ready to make some more crosses with these this week. I have a freezer full of great pollen.
I did 89 crosses this year so far. There is some pretty exotic shit in there. Next years outdoor run looks promising to say the least

 

[Dr. Purpur]

keep em up on the bed like that, then try to bring in new talent, then get back to me about the wisdom of it all...

They love women that come over here and allow me privacy. My pitts are a couple. People trip when they see them holding paws.

 

[Tom Hill]

good lord

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Heres the Mangla. Someone grew a 12 x 12 plant of it in the ground, in sandy loam wth only chicken manure and blood meal. Actually it was 12 x 12 long before harvest, and probably larger

The terpene profile is off the hook. Super strong smoke

 

[OrganicBuds]

Tom - Pits are not even close to the worst breed to train...........Have you ever trained an English Bulldog??? Now we are talking dumb as snot!

 

[ClearBarbedFunk]

i once mentioned somethin about dogs while conversing with MrHill, took abit of time lookin at my dog when i got home, she wants to be a bad ass, but just jump at her while shes barkin and caring on and she turns to me, and gets behind my legs. never trained or nothin to defend.

at least she makes a shit load of noise when she hers somethin when were sleepin in the patch.

 

[SeaMaiden]

A pitty is like a great white shark... Dress up like a seal in a wetsuit, dive for abalone, and they'll eat you. Little kid runs across the lawn, and finds himself dead, a disgraceful excuse for a dog. I swear, dumb as snot. The only thing dumber than a pit is their keeper, lol. Sorry, but it must be said.

Ok, wanna know something funny? I learned to scuba dive in order to conquer my fear of sharks. But during that time I also worked in ornamental aquatics and learned that sharks should actually be called pussies. It's fishes like puffers and triggerfishes and Garibaldi you've gotta watch out for. I thank God Garibaldi aren't built like sharks, or my face would have been ripped off years ago. (Mask flooded by a huge male, grabbed it by the nose and lifted. It was unnerving, not pleasant.)

I've handled a few pits, and honestly, all but one have been big loves. The one dog was unsure about everything, so her tactic was 'the best defense is a good offense.' And the only non-Chihuahua dog that's ever bitten me..? The prize goes to purebred, uncut bloodhound, just a couple of years ago. You're the second person to mention these Czech dogs as being superior, too.

Sour, do you really think pitbulls of ANY kind are a working breed? exactly what is it that you think they do for work?

Originally, before they looked like they do now, I thought they were the butcher's helper for working with beef cattle.

Working breeds, are bred for character, what they do, a highly complex poly genetic situation, what is it that pits do again? Anybody?

Currently? Bred for looks IMO instead of mentality. The breeds that have been better kept up for working that *I* have some experience with are Queensland Heelers and Australian shepherds. When I was young we raised and I showed Arabian horses, and during that time we got an Aussie, very rough herder, could not be used with small stock like sheep or goats, but he had it for cattle and horses. And Frisbees, that was seriously Frimple's thing, Frisbees. I've been around some border collies, but never spent much time training them. I'm sure they're easily as intense as a Heeler.

..and i KNOW dogs, I know them because I love them like cannabis. I have taken the time to understand what the fuck I am talking about. I can select and train a dog all the way through PPD, tracking, and even police service. These other guys? They are sitting there thinking they have some kind of clue. I assure you, they don't, they've never truly cared enough to even look into it. So fuck them, imo.

Alright, I need information and direction. Care to enter into a private conversation on this specific subject matter?

No dogs are dumb bro, when I say dumb, I mean hard as hell, pit guys call it game, ie they do not take to corrections very well at all. Where as a soft dog (Many might call it an intelligent dog), will correct themselves without force, eg throw their ears back when they know they've done something wrong. Pits don't do that comparatively, not even after the fucking kid is dead...

That was what my friend's GSD bitch did when I corrected her for climbing into the front seat yesterday. I just gave her a 'bite' (I really just kinda push with my fingers, not a tap, but nothing like a hit as I don't hit dogs) and spoke to her as though she were one of my kids' friends, told her, "Get back there" sharply and she gave me this total, "Sorry, Mom!" kind of look. I can get that out of my girl (pretty sure she's a pit-ridgeback mix), but I ride her ass hard because I have to.

My youngest son established years ago that we can not only easily fool my dog, but she'll run scared. All it took was a black sweatshirt hoodie and him walking a little different. That. Dog. RAN!

I think we need a dog/dawg thread, for sure. And, has anyone else ever read the book The Story of Edgar Sawtelle? Really good book. We can focus on the dysfunctional human relationships, or we can focus on the dog breeding that was being written about. Breeding based on personality and behavior instead of appearance. That's what has gone wrong with dog (and horse) breeding over the past 150-200yrs, IMO.

<musing> When I look at a dog's legs, am I looking for some of the same things as when I'm looking at a horse's legs? Straightness, cleanliness of bone, soundness and 'openness' of knees and joints, tight hoof/paw, slope of shoulders and hips, along with 'depth' of shoulders and hips, and tracking (how straight is its gait?).</musing>

 

[YosemiteSam]

Hey Tom, if you are hanging around how about a soil question.

I am curious about what your ergs readings might be? I am also curious if you have methods to control that within a range.

I assume if itis low you could either feed a microbe tea or salts. But what do you do if it creeps high? My assumption is that the breakdown of the inputs creates salts that create the EC in the soil.

I ran some smaller (3-4 lb) plants in your mix and ended up with a high EC that I am sure cost me yield and quality. I would really appreciate your comments on the subject

 

[Peksman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRMKIYZ01rE

This breed is my next big challenge to train...

 

[Madhemp]

Whoa, Geez, you take a week off from reading the thread and boom!

Sea Maiden So sorry to hear of your misfortune. One hopes Karma will catch up with those motherfuckers sooner than later. It made me think of my security. which is basically nill (I doubt either of my cats would wake up during a robbery).

I think the Dog/securities issues are relevent to the thread. We all have potential security issues. It seems to me rippers have learned how much work there is left to do if you steal plants, so now they wait untill you (or I) have done all the hard work then just rob you. this of course is much more dangerous to all involved. I actually do have some cameras but what good are they really. If the recorder (and I) survive the attack. Then what? Even if you go after them and come out on top. your years work, plus whatever else they wanted is gone. I have and know how to use weapons, and if it came down to that so be it. But this aint the movies, if three or four armed guys with bad intent show up in the middle of the night even Rambo would be fucked. Give them your shit and be glad you lived (if you do). The more I think about it a properly trained dog (or two) sounds like the best combination of early warning/defense going. I don't know shit about dogs so if you do start a thread let me know.

I wonder how many others on the thread laugh when someone tries to argue issues related to genetics with TH (especially when its a subject he is obviously passionate about). Usually the thread is so quite in November.

Nice artwork in the Bauhaus video. I actually went out and killed myself............................I got better.

 

[Zdub7k]

I love dogs, I love pits, I support the biggest pit rescue in LA when all these idiots leave them to die. But from a stark reality... When we train dogs in the defense art, we must have a release. Throw a ball and see if your pit chases it, no, it won't, that's prey drive, the only bully breed I know having that is tha Am Bull Dog of the south the pig hunter. The point is it is very stressful to put that kind of pressure on a dog during training, and if there is no possible release (prey is MUCH more comfy for a dag than defense), then it's like inhumane to even attempt the training of it. You must be able to bring the pot to a boil during training (turn up the pressure, from the decoy, the would-be fake attacker), then release it. I am sorry, but pits do not release, and this makes for impossible training, they don't counter like the lion who goes-in for a more comfy bite, there is no clear point of okay it's time to reward with pits. They are a nightmare to train because of this. And further, as mentioned earlier, any of them that bit their masters hand for 200 years, any hint of civil dog, was put down. Yeah, if you keep one, and think it's the motts in regards to a personal protection dog, you should learn more about dogs.

I second the statement on the page back..you obviously know about growing large plants...but making broad generalizations about dog breeds is making you look retarded...My pits are trained as well as anybodies anything...and will die for me....helped raise me niece and nephew and have a very keen sense about who the bad guys are..they would never harm a hair on a child, and I take serious offense to that...That like saying " all old white guys are fat and have little dicks"....that may be the case most of the time...but given education and proper motivation things can be very different. My pits are easy to keep sharp, and were very easy to train....very intelligent and easy to reward and communicate with as well....My dogs are good florida gotti lines tho....not cheap inbred dogs....they catch and release, hold, attack, fetch, locate, flush....they do everything my hunting dogs did but better.