ACE Seeds or Mr. Nice

[Tiami]

Hi all.

Really like the idea what Ace Seeds are doing with landraces and preserving gens of this beautiful plant. Nice to see someone doing this buisnees in different manner giving us the chance to grow new stuff from around the world. From what I've heard Ace are top notch

Last year I had seven or eight plants outside in hot and very dry mediterranian island. Two Mr Nice's Mango Hz stood out well above other stuff (hope you're not Mr Nice haters here

). Unfortunatly all my crop was later destroyed by rats eating stems/bark. The same thing happened to many other growres on the island. We still haven't found solution for rats but we're working on it. Anyone here maybe?

I can't decide what to grow for next spring. Tropical sativa adopted for moderate climate sounds superb but so does Mango Haze especially after witnessing what a superior plant it is. I'd like to grow two or three strains next year, some 30 seeds, fast and slow flowering. So it's going to be either Mr Nice or Ace Seeds I think. After last years rats experience I'll be looking on my budget. I can get Vietnam Black, Panama and Nepal Jam for 100 euro. I think Mr Nice is in advantage with their auctions here. But money is not the most important factor here for sure, I'm leaning more towards ACE sativas.

Here are those two Mango Hz, both 2 meters tall. Pictures taken mid June, seeds started end April.

 

[idiit]

Unfortunatly all my crop was later destroyed by rats eating stems/bark. The same thing happened to many other growres on the island. We still haven't found solution for rats but we're working on it. Anyone here maybe?

i can't get some ic members to believe this is a huge issue in some places including my area.

solution: circle the main stem with some wire fencing ( chicken wire) up off the ground 18"-24" high, flush with ground level. peg it down into the ground. the rats can't eat any higher than the height their hind legs can get their teeth up to. i've had rats carry off pegged down rat traps. very dank kitty litter ( strong feline odor) has done some good but fencing is best.

look into golden tiger. i believe it needs an extensive cure to smoke top notch. the plants can get huge and are very hardy. it's my personal grail outdoor strain.

 

[Tiami]

this is how a rat attack looks like. after that plant dries as the feeding route between roots and leaves is disconected. don't throw posion near your crop as you atract them to it that way.

I'm not sure if Golden Tiger or VietBlack could finish quality in 42N. we do have long hot summer (and autumn) with plenty of sun but once starts November, I'm not sure..

this fence really works? I was also thinking about fence like that but wouldn't rats be able to climb on it? or there's something I missed. which part stops them to climb. I'm sorry for this I'm not native english speaker can you explain this once again as it would meen to stop those bastards to me a lot.

 

[idiit]

the rats attack at the base of the stem from a couple of inches off the ground up to as far as they can get their teeth. i guess that if the fence corral was far enough away from the base then the rat could drop down and chew. keep the fencing close to the main stem. i've never had one climb up and chew higher up while stradling limbs, fencing, etc.

dubi does a great job of telling which strains can be run at different latitudes. check out the threads in ace forum.

 

[Tiami]

thank you my friend every piece of advice is welcome on this topic. I'm sure they climb up the plant. you can see that high up the stem on my 2nd picture of 1st post. if you have good vision. also to side branches. those ropes on pictures were to tie broken branches.

the best what I've come up with is electric fence. in guerilla grow

 

[idiit]

the rats can be very big. i've seen chew marks up 24". this is an ace thread and dubi has had rat issues per my memory. hopefully he'll comment. i see how high up you are talking about on your pic. i've never had bark chew marks from rats that far up.

did you check out the teeth marks up high. rats have sharp pointy teeth. herbivores like deer have flat teeth.

just now thinking about all those infamous giant rats in ny city that got flooded out of their underground dwellings from sandy! .

 

[Mr Weedy]

word on the street is that mango is one of shantis best. why not grow both ive just pollinated a little of shantis super silver haze with some golden tiger pollen i had in the freezer.

personally ive been thinking about dubis thoughts of hitting a good female double thai with a good hybrid dad as being the way to go and was thinking about the mango, but thats for me to worry about when i get me self a good outdoor grow set up.

dont think their up to producing rat proof strains just yet. im sure you come up with a solution that works for you.

 

[Tiami]

Hi Mr Weedy

I'd like to grow 2 maybe 3 strains, early and late. do a bit of selection and produce some f2. ill be looking for good vigour most. MHz is a candidate for late flowering strain. from what I've seen (not to much unfortunatly) it's an exellant plant vigour and health wise which enjoyed that climate.

as for rats I don't think human produced anything rat proof yet

 

[Tiami]

the rats can be very big. i've seen chew marks up 24". this is an ace thread and dubi has had rat issues per my memory. hopefully he'll comment. i see how high up you are talking about on your pic. i've never had bark chew marks from rats that far up.

did you check out the teeth marks up high. rats have sharp pointy teeth. herbivores like deer have flat teeth.

just now thinking about all those infamous giant rats in ny city that got flooded out of their underground dwellings from sandy! .

looks like you have some cool rats then. let's hope those Sandy giants won't swim to our places.

there are no deer in my place, no rabbits. rats are the only animals eating mj. and some snails maybe. I've asked lots of people and around forums about this issue, not an easy one unfortunatly. would really apriciate Dubi's feedback. or anyone else with such experience.

 

[Husky Jackal]

Very nice plants you have there ! I would love to grow Mango Haze in my climate...
It's a difficult choice to be honest, both are great seedbanks and offer top genetics.
If I were in your shoes, I'll choose Mango Haze(or NL5xHaze) and some Bangi Haze or Nepalese Jam from Ace.
Good luck !
Peace, HJ.

 

[Mr Weedy]

Hi Mr Weedy

I'd like to grow 2 maybe 3 strains, early and late. do a bit of selection and produce some f2. ill be looking for good vigour most. MHz is a candidate for late flowering strain. from what I've seen (not to much unfortunatly) it's an exellant plant vigour and health wise which enjoyed that climate.

as for rats I don't think human produced anything rat proof yet

yer electrical wires arnt even rat proof.

good idea on the f2's i also wanna have some f2 of my strains around instead of like 'remember how good those veitxthais(random example) were?, wish i still had some of those seeds'

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Any of the Cannabiogen / ACE strains will do very well, they are bred to grow under the sun and have a great vigour outdoors. MNS strains will not yield as well, I have one pack of a Ltd Edition Mango Haze cross going alongside Malawi and Panama, the phenos are very varied and vigour, yield, not great. The ACE[/Cannabiogen] strains are far more vigorous outdoors as well as being a lot cheaper. KC Brains strains are also well worth a look for outdoor growers, Karma Genetics Jack crosses are very vigorous and also went well for me.

When do you want to harvest ? Some of the OTH crosses will be very late, here in Barcelona I have just cropped all but one of my Panamas, the Malawi needs 2 weeks more as does Kali Mist. So far, I am not sure about the Malawi, but I think Kali Mist is unlikely to be usurped as Outdoor Champion, as a final product and as a plant to grow, still the outdoor Mediterranean winner.

For the Rats.. One problem we do not have here, they are too well fed Butchers nearby used to sell skinned Rats up to 20 odd years ago.... can you get Rat Glue ? It might not trap the biggest ones, but it will scare the hell out of them. If you have a problem, imo, like thieves, do not rely on one solution, use several, the fences others suggest, glue, traps, snares... Rats like to run along the edges of things, go and see your local Farmers store...

 

[Mr Weedy]

you have plenty of choice why not decide that your gonna grow 3 strains, 10 seeds of each, then you just have to figure out what you want from your three strains when it comes to smoking them.

if you cant decide go with aces sales, they change over time so a lot of stuff goes through there, kali china, nep jam and zamaladelica right now. you could of almost picked those ones out yourself.

 

[Tiami]

@Husky
thank you for compliments. I imagine they would be 3-4 meter trees by autumn. NepJam is #1 candidate for an early strain.

@CC
that's info I'm looking for. I'd like to see some pics of Ace sativa trees under the sun and I'm sure they exist around the net. glad to hear you think Ace plants will yield more than Mns. as for being cheaper I'm not so sure. with Mns auctions I believe I can get between 45 and 60 seeds (possibly much more) for 100 euro. but it's not the most important factor.

we two probably have similar climate. so the earlyy strain like NepJam shouldn't have problems to finsih. it's not low temps that are problem but autumn rains which are unpredictable. usually Octobers are fine. this year it was perfecr, I was in the sea swiming on regular basis untill week ago. Panama sounds really interesting and I'd really like to have Meao Thai hybrid. but if it goes to November, December..I'm not sure. so with NepJam that makes 3 strains. I've heard good things about Kali Mist, are you talking about KM or Ace Kali China?

@Mr Weedy
yes it looks like it's gonna be 3 strains but having more than 10 plants it's gonna be tough work and big risk

thnak you all

 

[mr.brunch]

ace!

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Outdoors I would try as many different strains as you can, it spreads the risks and also the harvest time ... and you get to try as many different strains as possible.

I was talking about KM, amazing outdoor performer, mine are out for 2weeks or so more, no problems in all weathers.

 

[Tiami]

looks like these plants have been growing there in their natural enviorment. so nice to see such beautifull garden under mediterranian sun.

shouldn't panama finsih by now, what other strains did you run? KM is on my radar now, you have any other strain suggestion I have now 5strains to choose between

 

[fizzbomb]

hi Tiami, years ago i was in amsterdam, visited the cannabis collage and when i had a look at their garden, nearly every plant had tin foil around the bottom of the stem, i asked the guy why lol and he said, "the mice are little bastards, they eat the bottom of the stem, so we have to put tin foil around them" , maybe give that a go, seemed to work for the guy in the cannabis collage , best of luck

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

looks like these plants have been growing there in their natural enviorment. so nice to see such beautifull garden under mediterranian sun.

shouldn't panama finsih by now, what other strains did you run? KM is on my radar now, you have any other strain suggestion I have now 5strains to choose between

Yes, the Panama is finished now, the Malawi is getting close, but half of them need 2 weeks longer, it is behind even the Kali.

I also ran C99xHaze, SourDiesel x Agent Orange, KOKush x Haze, P.O.W, Biker Kush, Jack o Nesia, Kush o Nesia, Sweet Tooth3, Trainwreck. Indicas are always a lottery IMO, my lovely Sweet Tooth had mould problems for the fist ever time, but a caterpillar chewed POW laughed it off much to my surprise, Biker Kush was amazingly resistant. Of the Sativas, Jack o Nesia produced fat buds of high quality, Trainwreck, the Citrusy "Original clone" now in Austria/EU was great too. Of the ACE plants I ran, Panama was my fave, but Malawi has recently overtaken her, both are excellent, vigorous tough plants that yield so well you will wonder about the stringy long flowering Haze that was used to make so many of the crosses out there.