lol please do bring me a sample of your indoor next time you are out west.
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sour power
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Can any kind of OG get huge yields like 3-5 lbs outdoors in the east coast around RI? I'm looking at strains for next year for me to do my first ever full organic outdoor tree.. I've done small plants in pots outdoors but nothing like what I have in mind this go around
hey hey guys didnt mean to start off a shit fest....
its just that in todays market, most people think outdoor is "crap" because the majority of outdoors on the general market are midgrade and thats what most people see....and most of the best of best indoors arent even seen because they end up in high grade markets..the PNW market is fucked btw...they automatically lowball outdoors that are light years ahead of the viet gang grown shitty miracle gro indoor most of them sell up there....they would rather pay 2 for unsmokable indoor beasters than pay 18 for top notch outdoors that smoke way better..
its goes something like this...80% of regular outdoors are not comparable to 50% of indoors....20% percent of the best outdoors are better than that same 50% of mid grade indoors...but there is that upper echelon of the best indoors that will surpass maybe 95% of most outdoors...if that makes any sense....ive seen indoor OG that blows away my outdoor OG, but ive also seen a fair amount of unflushed, chemmy, premature indoor OG that my outdoor OG is better than.
back to topic i guess...if i had my camera cord i could upload some pics but gotta wait til tmro..
its just that in todays market, most people think outdoor is "crap" because the majority of outdoors on the general market are midgrade and thats what most people see....and most of the best of best indoors arent even seen because they end up in high grade markets..the PNW market is fucked btw...they automatically lowball outdoors that are light years ahead of the viet gang grown shitty miracle gro indoor most of them sell up there....they would rather pay 2 for unsmokable indoor beasters than pay 18 for top notch outdoors that smoke way better..
its goes something like this...80% of regular outdoors are not comparable to 50% of indoors....20% percent of the best outdoors are better than that same 50% of mid grade indoors...but there is that upper echelon of the best indoors that will surpass maybe 95% of most outdoors...if that makes any sense....ive seen indoor OG that blows away my outdoor OG, but ive also seen a fair amount of unflushed, chemmy, premature indoor OG that my outdoor OG is better than.
back to topic i guess...if i had my camera cord i could upload some pics but gotta wait til tmro..
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Veg N Out
I guess the crux it all then is just being in that 5% isn't it...
Currently outdoors in NorCal we are flirting with 11- hours of very weak fall light due to the angle of the sun cutting through the atmospheric layers at less than perpendicular angles. There is just no way the full season outdoor can compete with indoor due not only to this, but the length of the typical lifecycle as well. It's got nothing to do with dust in the air outdoors Ed et al. On the other hand, there is no way indoor can compete with short season black boxes grown outdoors and harvested inside of 3 months from root during the mid-summer @ 3000ft+ elevation. It is one of our jobs as outdoor growers to find suitable cultivars that can best adapt and work within these truths. -T
Generally speaking, the closer to 12/12 we can finish a plant outside (this is a late september plant where I live), the higher the quality of the finish. Unfortunately, plants this early must have many things going for it for it to weigh heavily on the scales, they lack the veg time that there later finishing sisters have. There are a few though, that seem to finish high quality as well even though they finish later around the less than 11 hours of sunlight mark. These are generally the type of plants I seek, these are generally the plants that are the very best compromise between yield and quality.
Prop215
You nailed it exactly.
Thanks Tom, that was most helpful. Best answers Ive received so far.
I dont know how to see who left me comments in my reputation or else Id reply directly but I got this and Im not sure what they mean ...
I have a jewelers loop and a microscope, what am I looking for here?
good advice to know! psyched to try out some blackboxes next season...wont be @ 3000 ft thats were my full seasons are at, i need a freakin earthmover to flatten out some hillside to put a blackbox..
and i did notice that some of my best quality plants that rivaled indoors were some of the shorter low yielding ones that finished early...
what if you blackboxed and then remove tarps for the last month of flower... still gets some pretty intense sun? i wish i could grow smaller plants and higher numbers but since the laws make growing giants a better option gotta adapt somehow.
Q. For the Tarp / Blackbox people,
What do high Summer temps do to maturing flowers outdoors ? Do you get problems like indoors in hot Summertime, with maturing flowers getting cooked, or is this the best solution to growing exceptional quality, the 5%, outdoors ?
Just sitting here in "sunny Spain" looking at plants hanging all over the place after 3" of rain...
What do high Summer temps do to maturing flowers outdoors ? Do you get problems like indoors in hot Summertime, with maturing flowers getting cooked, or is this the best solution to growing exceptional quality, the 5%, outdoors ?
Just sitting here in "sunny Spain" looking at plants hanging all over the place after 3" of rain...
We light depped from about the summer solstice to late August. Our choice was to close up the box on a rolling schedule that kept 12 hours of daylight, so initially we closed it around 5, moving this slowly toward 6 PM.
In these conditions we had a lot of heat and light still on our box after closing. We mitigated this a bit with a hanging tarp to shade the box, but I believe the tops of several plants were heat stressed.
Nothing too extreme, but enough to convince me of the wisdom of a 7-7 schedule. It is very dry here in the summer, so I don't think leaving the box closed overnight will be an issue with humidity. All the same, we plan to rig a simple ducting system to replace the air while the box is closed.
what do people do with their pots during the off season?? some of the plants had root rot so im sure i have to replace all of the soil in it...but what about the healthier pots? just reamend with goodies and throw in some enzymes? one guy said he fills his mounds with manure and red worms...
how do you effectively make sure the soil will be free of pathogens short of just replacing the entire pot with new soil?
gonna be a lot of shovel work in the off season for sure...
how do you effectively make sure the soil will be free of pathogens short of just replacing the entire pot with new soil?
gonna be a lot of shovel work in the off season for sure...
warthog
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do this. along with some meals..
Mr. Hill - Would you care to tell us some of these strains? Do you sell any in your seed catalog?
Tom, Do you mind letting us know what strains you recommend or that fit this bill?
All in and feeling good...
Headband was the last.
Biggest so far was SSH x og....almost 8 on her
Happy Fall/winter to all, especially my norcal brothers. This season, so far, has been one of the best I can remember. Let's keep that momentum going in all the other facets out of the garden as well.
Have a great winter guys, get some rest, save your best weed....pretty soon spring will pop her head up again.....before we even know it.....
Headband was the last.
Biggest so far was SSH x og....almost 8 on her
Happy Fall/winter to all, especially my norcal brothers. This season, so far, has been one of the best I can remember. Let's keep that momentum going in all the other facets out of the garden as well.
Have a great winter guys, get some rest, save your best weed....pretty soon spring will pop her head up again.....before we even know it.....
I didnt run any Daywrecker this outdoor run, but I have half of a tent full ,two weeks into bud. I love that stuff.
Outdoor versus Indoor quality seems like a dispute that will never end.
It amazes me how much importance some people give to how the "product" looks. These people will always like indoor stuff more just because of the structure of buds - outdoors the buds are more leafy and fluffy which is mainly caused by the gradual decrease in day length and hence gradual increase in flowering, not a sudden burst of flowers only.
Outdoor quality is more inconsistent in that it's too dependent on the particular outdoor spot climate during flowering. I see many people saying "You can't grow X because you are not at 30 degrees latitude", etc. when what matters most actually is how many hours of direct sunlight (even not perpendicular) the flowers receive. If you have a cloudy September, the resin will not be as much and as powerful.
But if you have a sunny late August and September (only a few cloudy days in the month) or force earlier flowering, then the resin of outdoor plants is supreme.
I have a spare basement but risk growing in my backyard only because of the quality of high that the sativas get outdoors. With indicas the difference is not that big, they get good power and flavor indoor too, they are just lacking in complexity.
It amazes me how much importance some people give to how the "product" looks. These people will always like indoor stuff more just because of the structure of buds - outdoors the buds are more leafy and fluffy which is mainly caused by the gradual decrease in day length and hence gradual increase in flowering, not a sudden burst of flowers only.
Outdoor quality is more inconsistent in that it's too dependent on the particular outdoor spot climate during flowering. I see many people saying "You can't grow X because you are not at 30 degrees latitude", etc. when what matters most actually is how many hours of direct sunlight (even not perpendicular) the flowers receive. If you have a cloudy September, the resin will not be as much and as powerful.
But if you have a sunny late August and September (only a few cloudy days in the month) or force earlier flowering, then the resin of outdoor plants is supreme.
I have a spare basement but risk growing in my backyard only because of the quality of high that the sativas get outdoors. With indicas the difference is not that big, they get good power and flavor indoor too, they are just lacking in complexity.
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Z-ro
Outs > Ins, every time.....Glad to see everyone down and safe for the season good luck with your trim scenes, Look out for those swedish girls!!!
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