Thoughts on a new room design, input pls.

[St3ve]

you dont use any boosters, but you use duabloom as a booster? Im not taking the piss i am trying to learn Anything that i can add for the full flower cycle that helps is of interest.

I also add an organic additive powder that is full of chealating stuff like fulvic and humic acids as well as other goodies I find it really brings out the quality of taste and smell. Google "kelp4less extreme blend"
Im eyeing off floranova as a possible replacement as i love the idea of organic-like stuff. im not convinced that it will change much over what im using now tho.

I meant I don't use *separate* boosters. I prefer to just change the mix of a two part or a three part. What I mean is, the FloraDuo is a two part, grow and bloom. So in veg I run the mix 3-1 parts/grow-bloom through half of the stretch. Then about 12 days into flower I'll mix it 1-1. Then at around 20 days I'll mix it 1-3, then a week later 1-4, then 1-5. This boosts the PK without all the N. Then for the last two weeks I will go only bloom nutes as I start to weaken the mix untill the last week I'm only about 300ppm and then only water the last watering.
The FloraNova is great stuff but I won't use it anymore unless I have something I am hand watering. Its VERY thick and I don't like using it with autowatering because it gunks everything up.
FYI-FloraDuo is the newer version of Nova that is meant to be cleaner and has more chelated macros. I have not noticed a difference between the finished product of the two, but for me the Duo is waay easier to work with. Peep teh GH website for info on Maxi, Flora, FLoraDuo, and FloraNova. (geez I sound like a sales rep.. I'm not I promise )

The picture you posted of the strands is NOT what I was talking about. That said, I've not used it and it does look interesting.
What I'm talking about looks alot like yard mulch but a tad finer. I use a cheapy brand because the bales are only $11 and it works great. Botanicare and alot of companies sell it tho so YMMV. They are sell bags of different mixes, so if you want to experiment then try a bunch of them and see what you prefer.

 

[RetroGrow]

The numbers you are quoting here are not really relevant. The only way to compare is wattage versus yield. Veg time is irrelevant because most of us veg in a separate area. I mean, I can grow a 2# plant in a 5g pot but it doesn't matter if I have to use 3x600w around it.

So answer my direct questions:
1)How much dry weight do you pull in your 2k room because we all know its not 9#.
2) have you used smart pots?

Also, I know critical puts out alot of weight but its not the greatest smoke so I personally won't grow it.
Secondly, I have read the hempy thread start to finish a few times, and I've used the method twice. I agree with you that smaller buckets with watering more often is better, but its still not going to out perform a smart pot in a 2" drip tray. Have you compared the finished roots of a plant in a regular pot to the roots in a smart pot?

Sorry Dave for sidetracking..

I've used smart pots. Can't compare to Hempys. And since you are obviously ignorant about Hempys and what can be pulled from them, you are nothing but noise. It's easy to pull half a pound from Hempys, and if you can't do it, your "skills" are lacking. My last Hempy run, the smallest plant was 7 ounces, biggest 12, not counting 2 ounces of popcorn, and that's in two gallon pots. Hempy regularly pulls 9-12 ounces in 2.5 gallon buckets.
Go back to school and start at cannabis 101, because you are ignorant.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

I've used smart pots. Can't compare to Hempys. And since you are obviously ignorant about Hempys and what can be pulled from them, you are nothing but noise. It's easy to pull half a pound from Hempys, and if you can't do it, your "skills" are lacking. My last Hempy run, the smallest plant was 7 ounces, biggest 12, not counting 2 ounces of popcorn, and that's in two gallon pots. Hempy regularly pulls 9-12 ounces in 2.5 gallon buckets.
Go back to school and start at cannabis 101, because you are ignorant.

i really think you missed st3ves point here. I can pull 2 pounds per bucket if i want. Its no achievement. I pulled a 4.5 pound plant outside one year

its weight per light / watt not weight per pot. Your claiming to pull over 2 grams per watt. well over. That is not easy or common and i dont believe that hempy ever did anything like that. The few people that are talking about getting anywhere near 2 grams/watt are serious pros who dont feel the need to talk shit and argue on the internet or try and push thier ways on others, they just go about thier business very happily.

St3ve says he has read hempy threads and tried the hempy method. Have you tried other methods? There are alot of serious growers that have run hempy over the years and now moved onto smartpot/blumat systems.

DHF is a prime example of someone who was a pure hempy follower over the years and now advocates smartpot/blumat systems instead. He is the one that pushed me that way instead of going RDWC. I believe that he knows 100 times more than you about what Hempy preached. I dont believe that he ever claimed to get the sort of yields you claim. And he now recommends smartpot/blumat systems.

Unless you can argue alot more intelligently and coherently about what your trying to say im with St3ve : your talking buillshit.

And im not going to change my system now to a hempy system, im just not interested.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

Sunday Update

Sunday Update

alls going really well.

querkle clones (not going into the veg cab for another 3 weeks)

agent orange 1 week in veg

querkle 1 week into flower

querkle 5 weeks into flower

very happy with progress, but always got one eye open for improvements.

 

[420ish]

do you still think you are going to run 8 plants next time?the 5 week flower tent looks pretty full this time.the plants look great!what are your temps running lights on and off?

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

do you still think you are going to run 8 plants next time?the 5 week flower tent looks pretty full this time.the plants look great!what are your temps running lights on and off?

theres no way i could fit 8 plants in there. 4 fills out nicely if i veg just that little more than the first 4 plant run. i run 4 weeks in the "veg cab" under the 400w MH but i sit them under a 100w CFL for a few weeks while waiting for the veg cab and that seems to make the difference.

 

[420ish]

what are your temps running ?are you getting the enviro dialed in?

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

what are your temps running ?are you getting the enviro dialed in?

i just dont have real temp metrics or control.
i have an extractor fan but thats it
no idea what the temps are, or the humidity. no real way of changing either even if i did know.
its a real hole in my environmental controls, but it is what it is.

 

[TURBD]

If your not willing to change things to make it better it will never get better.
Temp is simple. Buy a thermometer and see what it says.
Too high you need more cooling either threw more air flow (intake/exhaust) or AC
You can buy a thermometer for next to nothing. Spend a few more bucks and buy one that has humidity. Spend a bit more and buy one with a remote sensor so you can keep it in your living room and always know what's up.
Or you can say fuck it and do shit, grow shit, smoke shit.
Hope this helps.
Peace.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

i cant get an aircon in the room.
i have more than adequate airflow.
what advantages does a thermometer give me?

 

[St3ve]

I've used smart pots. Can't compare to Hempys. And since you are obviously ignorant about Hempys and what can be pulled from them, you are nothing but noise. It's easy to pull half a pound from Hempys, and if you can't do it, your "skills" are lacking. My last Hempy run, the smallest plant was 7 ounces, biggest 12, not counting 2 ounces of popcorn, and that's in two gallon pots. Hempy regularly pulls 9-12 ounces in 2.5 gallon buckets.
Go back to school and start at cannabis 101, because you are ignorant.

lol now you're just being mean. I didn't say you couldn't grow nice plants in hempy's. I didn't say you couldn't grow a 2# plant in hempy's.. you missed my point completely (as Dave pointed out to you) so feel free to re-read and happy growing dude.

 

[St3ve]

Sorry Dave but I'm with Turbd on this one. Environment is just as important as lights and nutes and you'll never reach your full potential unless you provide a nice environmental for them to flourish in.

That said, is it POSSIBLE that you coincidentally (accidentally?) nailed it with a room that keeps canopy temps in the sweetspot of 77F+/- and realative humidity around 65% in Veg through stretch and 50-55% in flower? Sure it is.. but flying blind is a little scary. Just like nutes.. sure you can watch the plants and mix them up but its way easier to read the meter.

You can get a top quality hygrometer for $15 that will show you accurate readings for room temp and relative humidity. I own 10 of these that I use all over the rooms, then I toss them in the curing bins to use for curing. I also own a Laser thermometer that I use to check leaf temps to make sure my lights aren't too close and cooking the leaves.

Even though you can't get an air conditioner in there doesn't mean you can't get a fan controller and dehuey/huey. Or at the very least use a poor mans humidifier in the winter time. (bowl of water with rag half in and out of it to help raise RH)

 

[RetroGrow]

I dont believe that he ever claimed to get the sort of yields you claim. And he now recommends smartpot/blumat systems.

Unless you can argue alot more intelligently and coherently about what your trying to say im with St3ve : your talking buillshit.

Actually, the BS seems to be coming from you.
I have 40 years experience and have tried most systems of growing. I like them all, and am not knocking any. I like smartpots & blumats too. Everyone has their own style and preferences, and have to consider the space they are in. In recent years I have been doing Hempys for their simplicity and huge yields. Recently, Hempy changed his medium from perlite/vermiculite to Coco/ perlite. I tried it too, and the results were amazing. By the way, instead of you putting words in Hempy's mouth, here are his own words:

"The size of the bucket can very from 1 gal (4lt) to 5gal (20lt) roughly I personally like useing a 10 lt bucket and have had up to 19 oz cured yield from a single bucket but it depends on the strain and given pheno ."
So, with an extremely high yielding strain like Critical Jack, you can expect half a pound per plant in a 5 X 9 room like this one:

Plant number was 17, not 18 as originally stated. Forgot I pulled one out to make more space. Room was jam packed with 16 plants against the wall, and one in the center between the two 1000s. Construction netting(ala Marlo) was used on the walls to tie plants back. Room was narrow (only 5 feet), hence the layout. These plants like to grow tall, and they did. Lollypopped on bottoms.
Used K.I.S.S. method. Anyone here can duplicate this yield in similar space. Doesn't take a special skill set. But it does take daily waterings, even though they are not necessary. I have found that daily waterings increase yield, as it is a hydroponic medium.
Pictured below are two of the plants, which were just transplanted into 5 gallon buckets before the flip, as they were too top heavy and kept tipping over. They grew to that size in 2 gallon buckets, though. All other plants were in 2 gallon buckets throughout.

Plant on left yielded 12 zips of great bud, 2 zips of popcorn. Believe what you want. I have nothing against your style of growing, but when someone calls me a liar, I have to respond.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

I have nothing against your style of growing, but when someone calls me a liar, I have to respond.

and yet you missed what both i and st3ve are saying. nobody said you cant grow 2# plants. we both said you can grow much bigger. we both agree hempy systems are good and you can grow 2# plants with hempys.

so all your proving is what we already said, without addressing anything that either of us is trying to say.

 

[supermanlives]

you aint got a thermometer? ha ha ha now thats hilarious . get one . i measure temp and humidity. dont cost much at all . can you grow without one . hell ya i did for a while without issues. but then i became a better grower and realized this simple instrument is needed.

 

[RetroGrow]

and yet you missed what both i and st3ve are saying. nobody said you cant grow 2# plants. we both said you can grow much bigger. we both agree hempy systems are good and you can grow 2# plants with hempys.

so all your proving is what we already said, without addressing anything that either of us is trying to say.

Actually you said it was BS and that size room/light could not put out that weight.
You also said Hempy didn't report large yields, yet you saw his post. And we're not just talking about just growing large plants, we're talking about doing it with just 2000 watts in a small space. Each of you said it was BS, but it was you who was BSing. Other than that good luck with your grow.

 

[TURBD]

No thermometer and has shit to say about hempys.
Pick your battles. This guy is away from learning anything.
Your shit looks tight. Keep up the good work.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

i remember ready something about winning an internet arguement is like winning the special olympics ... your still a retard.

this guy cant read shit, and cant comprehend what im saying and makes shit up that isnt true.
i never said anything bad about hermpys. nobody did. i never said they cant yield. i said this guy is bs cause of the way he speaks and what he says and how he says it.

but i really dont care cause
1) im not changing to hempys
2) argueing is a waste of my time and i feel like ive just fed the troll

from here on in just keep it relevant to the thread pls.

 

[St3ve]

lol RetroGrow reminds me of my ex wife.. keeps on blind arguing and never listens. He can't even answer a simple question but keeps trying to prove he's right when he doesn't even understand the discussion. Lose/Lose

On with your show Dave!

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

well my experiments with cutting back the front as well as the back seem to be paying off.
it seems that the whole plant still leans into the light too much for the size of the room i have.
im of the opinion that next time i wont prune the back at all, and just prune the front to the main trunk. Its that or put some support stakes and tie the plants back.
anyway its fun to experiment.