Weird 3 point leaves

[Sam_Skunkman]

I was not growing any webbed plants, I was growing a bunch of plants that grew leaves and flowers and seeds on top of the center of the leaflet array or on the petiole (OTP or R). To me the leaves look most like the imported Afghani I grew that year. But to be honest I am not sure. If I could smell them I would know what it was. Keep them if you like em, toss em if you don't. I hope you like them.
-SamS

Wow Foe20, you've definitely made this thread more interesting and full of information!

Actually, I have two of these plants... I doubt I will breed them but I am going to try and clone them before I flower them... They are smaller than anything else I've got, so I'm probably veg them for awhile and take a couple shots at clones if I need to...

Also, am not sure if he will get it but I sent Sam a pm telling him about the thread and asked him to comment if he would like... It would be really cool to hear what he has to say about it... He's probably forgotten more than I will ever know about cannabis but it is an exciting plant and I enjoy learning about it.

 

[Smoking Gun]

SmokinGun indeed....I look at it as the same like..In Aussi land they go through a much harsher envrio where in Hawaii its the lap of luxury...Naturally allof of Aussi herb has a normal Tall form giving it the Sativa relation...But grow that same variety in the GreatWhiteNorth in a fast Cold brutal climate and it will look quite diff..In size ansd even change its flower windows as well...But genetic form should stay quite consistent...This may sound open ended and 2 sided but it can be...
Unique foliage is its key trait for sure...So I was looking at it more of the lines are the same..Whether the names are or not...
What can be a issue is how they are named which as were talking now can get cloudy quicky...I have a few HawIndica hybrid...So now am I to believe these are all HawWebbs or Ducksfoot proto-types?...Cause theres allot of diff varieties on the Islands that would be considered Indica as well as many Sativas...Heres another loop tho...
These can form whats known as Stretch Indica meaning a Indica formed bud on a Sativa form body...They run a lil longer and take a bit longer to budset but then can finish rather quickly giving the buds very Indica looking qualities..Lots of variables to consider...but in my eyes its the plant first which were agreeing on...So we have both HawWebs and Ducksfoot views...So with no name associated we look at form..
The 1 he shows looks between the way mine are growing...I show 3, 2 lil tallker and 1 short and very stout...Why the differential?...Mainly cause the 2 I have that are taller were fed less and kept futher from teh Light Source..The Short stout 1 was over fed and kept Closer to the light so it didn;t need to stretch and had plenty of food to utilize..
So are they Sativas or Indicas?...Well expression is 50/50...50% enviro and 50% genetic...We know the genetic end to a point..And my Enviro is showing 2 variations of expression...If I boost the fed on teh 2 they will darken, slow pace and thicken up but is this what I want?...No cause I like the look of the middle of this which would be middle ground between Sativa and Indica form....This is why I feel jonnyrotten is getting a very good expression and his nute line and ways of use are well suited for these types..
Im getting diff expression cause Im using stronger nutes on some and putting others in diff zones of my room to See Variations in their expression...Im not just growing them Im studying them so its a must to understand every aspect of their genetic expressions as possible..And being indoor may hinder some but its also a great tool if we use them to support correct cannabis expression mostly first...
We can try to simplify the whole thing with our terms but in reality Plants are very complex and should be treated with respect to their true nature..Hope that makes sense and dont mean to impose...Its supposed to be a free world so enjoy it...
FOE20

No imposition at all. I cannot argue with what you have written here. However I do feel that more than 1 variety is capable of presenting this genetic mutation. So it may be that this is neither Ducksfoot or Hawaiian Indica, it may simply be a plant of its own genetic make-up that shows this strange mutation. We may never know, and to bother getting into an argument over which type is meaningless. As you stated "plants are very complex" and I think regardless of what it is called it may be a very special plant. I am excited to see how it grows out.

Johnny, would you mind sharing pictures of the other webbed plant?

 

[FOE20]

hey SmokingGun...its all good with me..yea its a open subject but I gata say it has been well doc'd and the comparisons are getting better...expanded on more below....but Im liking what Im learning..
also I feel what your sayng but what is less important to me is who found or brought it to the scene..what matters mostly is what the plant is itself..and thats what Im trying to establish..but we have to call it something if it hasn;t been noted prior...its been well noted IMO..so yea...it is quite moot but we have plenty to learn still also..as doc'd in these images of Wally garden in 2003...

thats interesting Sam and much thnx for takin the time...also do you mean as in the palm of the fan?....
Ive seen that before and yea it is a very odd showing of whatever that is...The smell I can tell you is mild Afghan for sure...But they do have a slight perfume type Sweetness which Ive found before and still get in some Hawaiian lines..Theres no harsh or acrid stand out tones so far....jonnyrotten may be able to check his and get a few more scents..
Would be easier if we had more info on the flowers these will produce..

Im starting to get a impression it was a Aussi Ducksfoot..only other strange foliage that doesn't exactly relate is ABC but it is another odd ball from down under...
so yea I can see these Webbed plants were originally a Afghan of some form migrated/traveled to Aussiland...acclimated strangely/lived there and was discovered by Wally and he worked it like a champ...then it takes a trip to the Islands and we add equatorial seasons and the lap of luxury...quite a change really...

wheres WallyDuck....used to be a staple here but I dont see his forum anymore...and after reading a few ducksfoot reports these are starting to sound even more related...oh well....its unique to say the least...

jonnyrotten I hope this is not to much for ya..good news is from what Im reading it can yield, and have a effect like a African or Haze...ya!...but yea the thread def has a lil zing goin for it!...
Heres what I found on her image wise...what do you think?...sure looks like the same family to me..
keep rollin
FOE20

 

[johnnyrotten]

Sam, thank you for stopping by and giving some input. I agree with you, if I like it keep it, if not its gotta go no matter how it looks...

I'll put some more pics up tomorrow and find out how they smell... My wife(who doesn't smoke) is my smell tester, she has a great sense of smell and can describe it much better than I can...


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[johnnyrotten]

Ok, here are pics of the plants today...

Plant #1
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Plant #2
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[Smoking Gun]

Very nice Johnny. I like the structure of the plants. If you haven't yet make sure you get a few clones of each, I would not be surprised in the least if there is a special gem between the two.

 

[johnnyrotten]

Yeah, I took clones a week ago of the four in flower but none of these yet...

 

[Smoking Gun]

Are the ones in flower showing the webbed/duck foot trait?

 

[johnnyrotten]

no, none of the plants in flower have this trait...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=246621

 

[Smoking Gun]

Well then I guess its time to get some clones of these special plants.

 

[vukman]

damn,... the more I see it, the more I swear you could tell someone it's a type of nettle and to watch it because it's the stinging nettle variety!!!!!! LOL........maybe in a guerilla grow slap some stingers in there with it and no one will ever bother it again!!

Gonna have to find me some of that......by chance...anyone in Ontario have this....

 

[FOE20]

its a standard trait for the variety that it is guys..heh...It is unique but also a older line and far from new..
Its a Webbed Indica bro and its not gana grow out of it...or Ducksfoot however ya wana slice it....
If Wally was here Im sure he'd be a great source of info on this topic..
But mine are not "unknown"..Im running a 12yr worked stabilized line direct from true Hawaiian pakalolo folk...I wasn't guessing what it was..my only view is how the HWIndica and Ducksfoot relate beyond this..as this is what it is...and if you guys are guessing still I'll put 5k on it right now...
plants look good jonnyrotten...keep rollin
FOE20

 

[johnnyrotten]

I guess I'm gonna try rapid rooters or something... Water cloning didn't work for me and cups of coco hasn't rooted after 7 days...

 

[Smoking Gun]

What type of water cloning did you try? Bubble cloner or aero-cloner? I have had good results with rapid rooter as well, so go for it I hope you get some clones of those plants.

 

[johnnyrotten]

Oh, a couple weeks ago I tried rooting some in cups of water... They wilted and died in a couple days... The clones in coco haven't wilted and still look good, so I imagine they just need some time...

 

[Smoking Gun]

Aha, I have had very limited success trying to root in cups of water. I am always a fan of starting clones in plugs, gives more control over the cloning process. I have also had great success in aero-cloners, in fact I have easily rooted clones of varieties I had been told were notoriously hard to clone in an aero-cloner. I do like the ability to check on the progress of the roots before I place them into a final growing medium.

 

[FOE20]

Hope what im proposing isnt a imposition jonnyrotten if so I can remove my post..Not tryin to hyjack man....
They are known to be a bit tough to clone..Ill be in the same process soon..I use wool mainly..but am well versed in any propagation..keep rollin
FOE20

 

[johnnyrotten]

Hey, no imposition... I want to learn how to clone... I'm the type of person that will keep experimenting until I find something that works...

I've got around 40-50 seeds of various strains...from those seeds I'm hoping to find 3-5 keepers and to do that I'm gonna need to clone...

Growing has started to help me learn to slow down and not expect sudden results... So, finding the cloning method that works for me will eventually be found!

 

[johnnyrotten]

Took clones of these today and moved them into flower...

 

[Smoking Gun]

Awesome. I am really excited to know we will get to see what these babies can do soon.