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Advanced Nutrients PH Perfect - Review

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TribalSeeds

So last night I read through this entire post.

Not going to mention any names but we have 2 ears and ONE mouth for a reason, we need to listen more than we speak. With that said I really enjoyed the read. Very knowledgeable especially for R/O system basics and it is very eye opening regarding the product.

I like this thread as an AN discussion https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=212806 also.

Now about my actual experience with the company and its products.

I really enjoy the simplicity of the pH perfect technology. Really creates a much easier time. I hand water and use store bought R/O water as a filter is not an option and a simple Brita filter is a joke.

Currently using Sensi Grow PH Perfect A+B and its probably work as good as or better other 2 part Grow nutrients. I have clones with deficiencies on the leaves from when their mother and that has cleared away. I have had heat stress and damage and that is being turned around. There is barely any burn on the plants but there is some, very minute.

What I can say I do not like is the STRETCH. For some reason a few of my plants are super stretchy... when most of the Green Crack I have is very bushy with new very close internode spacing . . . and it is not the lighting since the plants have stretched past the lighting.

Right now I am currently feeding at 6ml per gallon of water for part A+B. I actually am going down from 8.25ml from a few weeks ago thinking that I still needed to scale my nutrients when in reality is I needed to minimize them so that I have just enough for the plants needs and not more, wasting them and not creating build up and maybe problems.

I need help with hygrozyme and H2O2 in the sense of its capabilities with the AN Sensi Grow PH Perfect. I have both but am unsure of their true potential when mixed with the Nutes. I was thinking of watering with pure R/O water and just adding recommended dosages of H2O2 and Hygrozyme. I want to clean my rockwool a bit before flowering, it has salt build up on it and some of the roots are brown after hitting air at the bottom and being smushed between the rockwool and tray. The roots haven't died, they just are brownish and I know they shouldn't be.

Overall I am happy with AN as it is a good quality product with a 100% MONEY BACK GUARANTEE. I have just 1 hiccup with them. That F-1 Bullshit. Super pissed off they told me to buy it after I got the New PH perfect Sensi Grow which has Fulvic/Humic Acid in it... pointless purchase.


Dont use Hygrozyme & H202 at the same time, or right after. I mean... youre already throwing away good money on AN and bottled water. Do you really want to waste more?
 
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^yeah, seem like you need to do your homework before blowing needless nutrients and additives improperly...
 

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The way I see it, I just learned a ton of valuable information, have resources available at hand, and haven't made a negative impact on anything.

I can't have an R/O system of my own, Store bought distilled is the closest I can get, really going to pick on me because I am not as fortunate as you? I have to ride my bike a few times to the store to get all the water I need. Ya its work, but its love, love for my plants, something you overlook and take for granted.

H2O2 and Hygrozyme are very beneficial and will play their role over time and with the proper use. Hygrozyme states on the bottle you can use it with H2O2 and has instructions/measurements. I did use both, but I learned from it, and nothing was lost, destroyed or ruined. I sterilize a few tools now, and as long as I grow with a medium that has no living microbes in it, I can boost my roots with oxygen all I want or clean out my feed system after a grow. . .

Tribalseeds you always troll the AN threads and users. Can't you just enjoy what you have and are doing? Please spectate or start being positive. I'm just trying to learn and do good, share my experience to help others and have fun as well. Life doesn't have to be sour.

With time the verdict will come.
 
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TribalSeeds

The way I see it, I just learned a ton of valuable information, have resources available at hand, and haven't made a negative impact on anything.

I can't have an R/O system of my own, Store bought distilled is the closest I can get, really going to pick on me because I am not as fortunate as you? I have to ride my bike a few times to the store to get all the water I need. Ya its work, but its love, love for my plants, something you overlook and take for granted.

H2O2 and Hygrozyme are very beneficial and will play their role over time and with the proper use. Hygrozyme states on the bottle you can use it with H2O2 and has instructions/measurements. I did use both, but I learned from it, and nothing was lost, destroyed or ruined. I sterilize a few tools now, and as long as I grow with a medium that has no living microbes in it, I can boost my roots with oxygen all I want or clean out my feed system after a grow. . .

Tribalseeds you always troll the AN threads and users. Can't you just enjoy what you have and are doing? Please spectate or start being positive. I'm just trying to learn and do good, share my experience to help others and have fun as well. Life doesn't have to be sour.

With time the verdict will come.

I own Hygrozyme and have read the label. I dont use it very often. Id be afraid to use it with H202 because there is no benefit and because of all the horror stories. Anyhow, carry on
 

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I like horror stories. How do you use it? I find it weird that it has unlimited shelf life!

I feel like its another superthrive.
 
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TribalSeeds

I didnt really like the way my roots looked so I decided I would try something to break down anything dead in there. I guess you could say I used it as a prophylactic... I was worried about rot. I added it with some benficials and tea, so it was probably a waste anyway since they should produce their own enzymes.
What makes me feel even worse about buying the stuff is that I had planned to reuse my coco, but then I decided to add kool bloom powder...
Im not sure if it actually improved root health, but the plants got going strong. Theyre so heavy I couldnt possibly get a shot of the roots now:)
I did notice that any roots that were showing out of the pots turned brown. Im assuming the roots in the pot are healthy because they drink more everyday!
Ive used cannazym in the past but I think Hygrozyme is more of a fulvic/humic acid. Ive read that there are better enzyme products for breaking down decaying organic matter.
If I was going sterile I would just use h202. That should break down everything. I dont see what hygrozyme can do for a system already using h202.
So, to answer your question - how do I use it? It kinda just sits on my shelf and I think about using it every now and then, but Id be afraid to put it in my res since I dont use a chiller. But like you said, atleast it has an unlimited shelf life!
 

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Interesting. I am going to use it with this next watering.

The Sensi grow is awesome, and I added in Rhino because I don't have a perfect environment.

I do have some troubles with leaves looking like they got nute burn and have a P deficiency, crispy curled up leaves, dark brown. . . Not all the leaves, and only on the older plants. I'm thinking it could be from the rhino I stared adding, but I also I have a suspicion I have some shitty genetics. And after a while the flaws come out, or maybe they are just sit of waiting to flower. I have one plant in rockwool since August waiting :(

As soon as my buddy returns my propagator I can finally clone the shit out of these bushes. Then After waiting another 2 weeks for the clones to be rooted and transplanted to rockwool, wait another 2 weeks for enough veg then FLOWER TIME!!!

Should have the CFLS set up nice and ventilation 100% by then.

Just need that carbon filter.

I could technically flower right now if I got my exhaust vent light proof.
 

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AN Sensi Grow A+B pH Perfect Update*

AN Sensi Grow A+B pH Perfect Update*

Hi folks! Great experiences coming from my garden!

Recently popped 7 seeds into root riots, only 1 hasn't sprouted, the seed didn't even crack, while the other are already full rooted and stretching for the light, with their first set of leaves appearing.

My plants had beneficial mites in the rockwool eating bacteria and fungi in the rootzone. Being the novice I am, I panicked because that morning, after I woke up from a Root Aphid nightmare and checked all my plants out of fear, I end up seeing these tiny, greyish black 1mm long larvae crawling on the roots! Freaked out and...

Went to Home Depot for pesticide and got Bayer Advanced Fruit and Veg. Was a Sunday so no Hydro stores were open and I thought I needed a fix immediately... Mixed 2 oz per gallon of distilled water, made 2 gallons. After the flush I had spring tails and little critters swimming around.

Plants had no negative affect from the pesticide immediately or 2 days after application, will continue to monitor. Only thing noticed was the white coat left over from the pesticide water mix drying up on the top of the rockwool.

My recent waterings I have included Rhino Skin into the mix, I'm still gradually building up to the recommended dosage of 2ml per liter.

I have a few problems. I posted pictures of my weird leaves. Some have this odd pattern to the side. 1 plant looks super weird now, I posted a picture of a leaf from a new set, its all warped to the side and has this weird bump on it.

I have nute burn on a few plants, nothing extreme, especially compared to when I used to feed with connoisseur for veg, hahaha, man that shit is strong.

Last feeding consisted of 8ml of A+B Sensi Grow, 6ml of Rhino, 8ml of Hygrozyme and 10ml of B-52.

I realized the next day that the B-52 dosage was too high. I used to use this joke http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/nutrient_calculator_old/ as a feeding schedule. The B-52 dosages are INSANELY high. I used to do that to my plants :'(.

I'm seeing some pain from the high dosage of B-52, the ends of some leaves have fat brown nute burn almost looks like a P deficiency. Other plants like one in the picture have clawed leaves and are not happy.

My next feed will be tomorrow. Also with a cube soak mix for the new seedlings in the picture because I want to grow those for 3 weeks before I begin flower. They are all random seeds from who knows what, but I'm hoping for just one female, will make me happy.

Next Feed :

1 Gallon Distilled Water Zero PPM
7.5ml A+B Sensi Grow pH Perfect
6ml Rhino(next week they get full dosage, 7.5ml)
No Hygrozyme or B-52.
B-52 for the feeding after tomorrows.
Hygrozyme again at onset of flower cycle.

Everything you see is green crack, except the sprouted seeds.

Hope this helps some one! I'm having a blast fine tuning this. Came a long way from when I used to feed with Connoisseur... for veg... :tumbleweed: :biggrin:
 

MIway

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I didnt really like the way my roots looked so I decided I would try something to break down anything dead in there. I guess you could say I used it as a prophylactic... I was worried about rot. I added it with some benficials and tea, so it was probably a waste anyway since they should produce their own enzymes.
What makes me feel even worse about buying the stuff is that I had planned to reuse my coco, but then I decided to add kool bloom powder...
Im not sure if it actually improved root health, but the plants got going strong. Theyre so heavy I couldnt possibly get a shot of the roots now:)
I did notice that any roots that were showing out of the pots turned brown. Im assuming the roots in the pot are healthy because they drink more everyday!
Ive used cannazym in the past but I think Hygrozyme is more of a fulvic/humic acid. Ive read that there are better enzyme products for breaking down decaying organic matter.
If I was going sterile I would just use h202. That should break down everything. I dont see what hygrozyme can do for a system already using h202.
So, to answer your question - how do I use it? It kinda just sits on my shelf and I think about using it every now and then, but Id be afraid to put it in my res since I dont use a chiller. But like you said, atleast it has an unlimited shelf life!


So I'll contribute some hearsay... The aptus rep said they tested some of enzyme products out there and hygrozym came back as an alcohol based sterilizing agent (apparently something common) with no enzyme at all. Would make sense if you believe their claim to no shelf life decay and can be used with peroxide.
 
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TribalSeeds

So I'll contribute some hearsay... The aptus rep said they tested some of enzyme products out there and hygrozym came back as an alcohol based sterilizing agent (apparently something common) with no enzyme at all. Would make sense if you believe their claim to no shelf life decay and can be used with peroxide.

I thought it was barley, so an amino acid. That would make sense.
It smells like a Thunderbird. Atleast the way I remember the smell when I was 14 and stealing them from savon
 
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T

TribalSeeds

Hi folks! Great experiences coming from my garden!

Recently popped 7 seeds into root riots, only 1 hasn't sprouted, the seed didn't even crack, while the other are already full rooted and stretching for the light, with their first set of leaves appearing.

My plants had beneficial mites in the rockwool eating bacteria and fungi in the rootzone. Being the novice I am, I panicked because that morning, after I woke up from a Root Aphid nightmare and checked all my plants out of fear, I end up seeing these tiny, greyish black 1mm long larvae crawling on the roots! Freaked out and...

Went to Home Depot for pesticide and got Bayer Advanced Fruit and Veg. Was a Sunday so no Hydro stores were open and I thought I needed a fix immediately... Mixed 2 oz per gallon of distilled water, made 2 gallons. After the flush I had spring tails and little critters swimming around.

Plants had no negative affect from the pesticide immediately or 2 days after application, will continue to monitor. Only thing noticed was the white coat left over from the pesticide water mix drying up on the top of the rockwool.

My recent waterings I have included Rhino Skin into the mix, I'm still gradually building up to the recommended dosage of 2ml per liter.

I have a few problems. I posted pictures of my weird leaves. Some have this odd pattern to the side. 1 plant looks super weird now, I posted a picture of a leaf from a new set, its all warped to the side and has this weird bump on it.

I have nute burn on a few plants, nothing extreme, especially compared to when I used to feed with connoisseur for veg, hahaha, man that shit is strong.

Last feeding consisted of 8ml of A+B Sensi Grow, 6ml of Rhino, 8ml of Hygrozyme and 10ml of B-52.

I realized the next day that the B-52 dosage was too high. I used to use this joke http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/nutrient_calculator_old/ as a feeding schedule. The B-52 dosages are INSANELY high. I used to do that to my plants :'(.

I'm seeing some pain from the high dosage of B-52, the ends of some leaves have fat brown nute burn almost looks like a P deficiency. Other plants like one in the picture have clawed leaves and are not happy.

My next feed will be tomorrow. Also with a cube soak mix for the new seedlings in the picture because I want to grow those for 3 weeks before I begin flower. They are all random seeds from who knows what, but I'm hoping for just one female, will make me happy.

Next Feed :

1 Gallon Distilled Water Zero PPM
7.5ml A+B Sensi Grow pH Perfect
6ml Rhino(next week they get full dosage, 7.5ml)
No Hygrozyme or B-52.
B-52 for the feeding after tomorrows.
Hygrozyme again at onset of flower cycle.

Everything you see is green crack, except the sprouted seeds.

Hope this helps some one! I'm having a blast fine tuning this. Came a long way from when I used to feed with Connoisseur... for veg... :tumbleweed: :biggrin:

I see clawing and burning. Do you have a TDS pen?
The zyme is going to make nutrient uptake higher
 

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I have a meter and use it.

http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-marijuana-growing/1098579-hygrozyme-confusion.html

What you think about this?

"So my questions are:
- Is there an issue with using it in a recirculating hydro ebb and flow system?
Should be ok if you follow their directions...
- Is there an issue with using it alongside a low dose of h202 with it at the same time?(I ask this because it says ON the bottle that its compatible with h202)..
You don't need to use h202 because .Hygrozyme is h202 with enzymes added. You don't need the enzymes because your base nutrients have everything needed for plant life....
- Does using beneficial bacteria (or not) change anything (good or bad) when using it?
The purpose of Hygrozyme is to kill bacteria, pathogens by oxygenation. It will diminish, kill both good and bad bacteria. You don't want to use it if your growing organic where you depend on good beneficial bacteria and micro organisms..You only want to use this wit Chemical base fertilizers.
- What would be some of the BAD circumstances or times to use Hygrozyme?
In an organic grow...
- What would be some of the GOOD circumstances or conditions to use it?
It will help keep a hydro system free of bad bacteria, pathogens and supply oxygen to the roots of the plant...Would be beneficial to use in a clone bucket"
 
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TribalSeeds

I have a meter and use it.

http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-marijuana-growing/1098579-hygrozyme-confusion.html

What you think about this?

"So my questions are:
- Is there an issue with using it in a recirculating hydro ebb and flow system?
Should be ok if you follow their directions...
- Is there an issue with using it alongside a low dose of h202 with it at the same time?(I ask this because it says ON the bottle that its compatible with h202)..
You don't need to use h202 because .Hygrozyme is h202 with enzymes added. You don't need the enzymes because your base nutrients have everything needed for plant life....
- Does using beneficial bacteria (or not) change anything (good or bad) when using it?
The purpose of Hygrozyme is to kill bacteria, pathogens by oxygenation. It will diminish, kill both good and bad bacteria. You don't want to use it if your growing organic where you depend on good beneficial bacteria and micro organisms..You only want to use this wit Chemical base fertilizers.
- What would be some of the BAD circumstances or times to use Hygrozyme?
In an organic grow...
- What would be some of the GOOD circumstances or conditions to use it?
It will help keep a hydro system free of bad bacteria, pathogens and supply oxygen to the roots of the plant...Would be beneficial to use in a clone bucket"

First of all... Dont listen to anyone one person on a forum. Especially me. Ive read a lot and have used the product, but I really only know what Ive gathered from all my research.
Heres what I think.
That thread sounds like a load of rubbish. Thats why I dont really bother with the other forums unless I feel like some laughs.
If that stuff killed bacteria you could kill bacteria with it, but you cant. Try it sometime... It will just feed the bacteria. Thats what its supposed to do. Thats why people who use it also use benefical bacteria.
If it was supposed to "supply oxygen" they would have to recommend replacing it after it broke down, but they dont. They say to never exceed 15ml per gal.
I dont mean to sound like a jerk. Hope I answered your questions
 
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TribalSeeds

Let me clarify that I never said Hygrozyme is bad. I said its expensive and not necessary... Especially with H202.
Ive used it to speed up the process and target enzymes. I added beneficials at that time. Im not sure if it did speed up the process or not.
Other enzyme forumlas are supposed to break done dead material faster.
I also noticed you said that you were using Voodoo Juice and Aquashield. H202 will kill those.
Id suggest you drop both if you havent already, or go with Aquashield and drop h202. Subculture B has a longer shelf life though.
Do you also have great white? That has everything in it already. Those products should increase enzyme production if they arent being killed by salt ferts.

http://www.hygrozyme.info/what-people-say/use-in-pure-hydroponic-systems.html

REMEMBER: Hygrozyme does not kill anything. To be effective, it must be used before dead matter can develop and “grab” onto surfaces causing bio film build up - just like fire insurance for your home that must be purchased before the fire.
As Hygrozyme is the only known market solution that can be used in conjunction with hydrogen peroxide in a ppm of 1-2% solution, some operators use this combination to clean, sterilize, and oxygenate roots.


They do not mean hygrozyme oxygenates the roots. theyre saying people use h202 to oxygenate the roots.


http://www.hygrozyme.info/what-people-say/prophylactic-for-desease-prevention-mold-and-mildew.html


Hygrozyme is a highly refined enzymatic cleaner/facilitator for dead matter. Keeping in mind that it is sterile and inert, Hygrozyme cannot kill anything. Its key role therefore is to act as a prophylactic. Many leaf borne diseases like Black Spot, of Powdery Mildew flourish in the presence of dead matter. Transferred by humans, macro organisms or air borne arrival, these diseases can set in quickly when in the presence of dead matter. The regular use of Hygrozyme can be a deterrent by removing dead matter and at the same time fostering the presence of beneficial micro organisms on leaf surfaces and in the grow medium or hydroponic solution. This is especially the case in combination with compost extracts that contain micro protagonists. For best results it should be used right from the start of a clean system to maintain those conditions. Applications at a rate of 1.5 ml per 1 litre are sufficient.


http://www.hygrozyme.info/what-people-say-2.html


Most preventative measures will include the use of an enzyme product (such as Hygrozyme) to facilitate the breakdown of dead matter. Hygrozyme, used at 10mL-15mL per gallon will ensure that any dead organic matter that finds its way into the growing systems will be consumed and converted into a usable mineral matrix for your plants. Hygrozyme works great for this purpose and has the added benefit of being a bacteria free enzyme concentrate. When trying to remove a pathogen I don’t see much point in adding new bacteria into the system. (Yes, some enzyme concentrates DO contain bacteria in addition to the enzymes.) Hygrozyme is also great to use to clean your equipment mid-cycle. It has no toxic ingredients, leaves behind no residues, is OMRI certified and is completely safe for any types of plants whether in soil or hydroponics.
There are fungicides available commercially that will work to suppress and control Pythium, look for products containing the Trichoderma genus of fungi. There is some evidence that the Bacillus subtilis can also play a role in preventing and controlling certain root zone problems. (Hydroguard is a commercially available biological water treatment containing B. subtilis.) Again, these fungicides are at their best when used in an overall preventative capacity.
The fact of the matter is that Pythium can be a real bear to get rid of, especially if we desire to save the plants that are infected. Any failure to rid the system completely of Pythium will just result in the new roots that our plants grow to succumb to the same infection that got the previous ones. Only through proper preventative measures including a clean grow environment, Hygrozyme or a similar product to ensure no dead matter is present in the reservoir, proper sterilization between cycles, and a careful eye can we ensure that our plants remain as healthy and as vigorous as possible
 
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LyryC

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Very very interesting. We'll see how it works for me :) Now onto the real issue, those leaves with the patterns and the weird crooked leaf that looks like a calcium deficiency, but could it be stress? theres a bump on the neighboring leaf in the picture and thats not normal or on other plants.

Thanks
 
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TribalSeeds

Theres no way theres a deficiency there unless youre getting locked out now. It looks more like toxicity and a lot of stress.
Ive never used B-52 so I cant tell you what too much of that would do. I can tell you that youd do better without it unless theres something wrong with your base nutes
7ml of silica sounds a bit strong to me. Im not sure how weak Rhino is, but I use 1-2 ml of Protek Silica 0-0-3
 

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Rhino

Rhino

heres some pictures of the stuff.

If thats toxicity, I'll start researching drunk plants, joking.

I'll check out toxicity but its definitely stress. Could use more opinions or diagnoses lol

Thanks TribalSeeds, hows your garden doing?
 
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TribalSeeds

heres some pictures of the stuff.

If thats toxicity, I'll start researching drunk plants, joking.

I'll check out toxicity but its definitely stress. Could use more opinions or diagnoses lol

Thanks TribalSeeds, hows your garden doing?


My garden is floppin out of control! A little too much KB at the end though...
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Toxicity is too much.

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As you can see theres no benefit of getting anywhere near close to toxic.

That Rhino must be some weak sauce right there.
 
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LyryC

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dats sexy. Nice strain, what is it? Great chart, I can see mistakes already in my feed practices ^_^ fun learning!
 
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https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=238054&page=6
Come check it out. Its about to go off in there.
Im going to be reviewing a Hash washer and a semi auto trim machine.
Hopefully this strain finishes sometime in the next 2 weeks. I dont want to go longer, but I will.
I wish I had saw that chart sooner. I first saw it in Heaths thread. I think he maxes out around 750-800ppm @.5
 

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