Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?

[hurdy gurdy man]

I think that I expressed my opinions on defoliation and they didn't agree with yours. Suggesting that I'm somehow stripping you of your human rights by doing so is patently ridiculous.

Try to be a bit more objective here and get a sense of perspective. I'm not your mortal enemy, I'm just someone who disagrees with you about the efficacy of a gardening technique.

LMFAO!!!

 

[Blaz3]

Hello,Im back.Yesterday was day 27 of 12/12 (start of 4week)....I did a SMART and medium defoliation on all plants.It was fun and easy.

What I did,was remove all "major" sunleaves,and all further smaller leaves,if they covered a budsite,or were in the center of plants,I left lwer leaves,and ones on the outer edges,alone...so I removed maybe 80% of leaves per plant.

I did not do a 100% defoliation,as I think this would have done more harm than good..I feel in my gut,that I did not harm them at all,and they will recover shortly.

I just gave them a weak 660ppm nutrient solution,as I do not want to overfert them,and I have been giving strong doses of Liquid Karma,via foliar feed,to encourage healing and cell division....


Here they are,after defoliation:



I feel this medium medium defoliation did 2 major things:


1.Allowed me to place plants MUCH closer together,this ensuring each one recieves stronger and direct lighth

2.Opened the canopy,so ALL budsites on each plant,is recieving direct lighth.It could just be my eyes,but some of the lower budsites seem bigger one day later.We will see

 

[Blaz3]

BEFORE DEFOLIATION:



AFTER DEFOLIATION:

 

[d3cryption]

looks good blaz3

 

[Blaz3]

Thank you Decrypt..I am currently further defoliation..nothing CRAZY,,I dont want to harm my precious plants..Im just cleaning up the bigger leaves I left..and leaves that are blocking budsites below them...

 

[TribalSeeds]

Those lower buds arent going to get much bigger now. Been there, done that! I think bending them and removing the stuff at the bottom would have been a much better option, around week 2 though. They are working more on flower production now and not so much building up the plant.
You might want to let them heal after cutting them like that.
Foliar feeding kelp extracts might help relieve stress and all, but Id be stressing about spraying my plants that have buds with anything.

 

[Blaz3]

Tribal..yeah this grow wasnt up to par..due to budget constraints,etc..my next grow will HOPEFULLY be a 800w vertical grow..

and yeah,Im not too worried about what I spray on the buds,but yes I would advise anyone not to spray buds with any nutrients,etc....including myself,but oh well..whats done is done.

And I still have hope that the lower buds WILL get bigger,if not denser..Im hoping for each one of those lwoer buds..be ATLEAST 1 gram...

after all,Im barely at week4....and the first 2 weeks didnt count,as they were VERY small and immature,prior to flwoering,and so the first few weeks,they just stretched and built themseleves up..

they didnt start throwing pistils until well afetr 2 weeks...

so pretty much,theyv been "blooming" for only 2 weeks..

Like I said,I dont expect much,maybe a half ounce per plant..we will see...

 

[TribalSeeds]

Tribal..yeah this grow wasnt up to par..due to budget constraints,etc..my next grow will HOPEFULLY be a 800w vertical grow..

and yeah,Im not too worried about what I spray on the buds,but yes I would advise anyone not to spray buds with any nutrients,etc....including myself,but oh well..whats done is done.

And I still have hope that the lower buds WILL get bigger,if not denser..Im hoping for each one of those lwoer buds..be ATLEAST 1 gram...

after all,Im barely at week4....and the first 2 weeks didnt count,as they were VERY small and immature,prior to flwoering,and so the first few weeks,they just stretched and built themseleves up..

they didnt start throwing pistils until well afetr 2 weeks...

so pretty much,theyv been "blooming" for only 2 weeks..

Like I said,I dont expect much,maybe a half ounce per plant..we will see...

Anything without a hardy stem at this point is a waste of the plants energy and yours. Trimming isnt fun. My only recommendation is to buy bubble bags.
You sure sprayed them down heavy for the "before defoliation" pics for someone who doesnt advise such practices.

 

[Blaz3]

Were all entitled to our own opinion,and ofcourse freedom of speech.

As such,I PERSONALLY think trimming if fun,hell I think germination is fun,any aspect of growing,TO ME,is fun.

I do not think this will be a waste of my time,but ofcurse,what the hell do I know?....

 

[catman]

Before and After

 

[Bassy59]

catman, that is going to be a great yielder. awesome job.

 

[sweetestsin420]

does anybody have any pictures of this method being done in a vertical grow?would that help?

 

[catman]

does anybody have any pictures of this method being done in a vertical grow?would that help?

See above. I do vert.

 

[medmaker420]

Now does defoliation work in the same way how trimming your pubes make your dick n balls look bigger? LOL

 

[DrFever]

Now does defoliation work in the same way how trimming your pubes make your dick n balls look bigger? LOL

Wow a thread gone wild hahaha
I am going to try and explain something here as best as i can.
i Believe this thread from going thru it has changed from original poster using this type of pruning technique, from flower mode to being done in all stages.
Every living Creature, plant, organism, changes thru time , Its called evolution, MJ has bin around for millions of years wouldn't you think as time went by plant would naturally drop its leafs,if that was the case ???? to produce more buds sites remember one thing plants life is to survive more buds = better chance of survival for her off spring right
No Different then a lion marking its territory by pissing this is to ward of competition and possible conflict you catch my drift
I have done this and can prove that taking off leafs in veg state not only stressed out plant but slowed growth tremendously
and compared to other ones i had, i will try to find pics anyways day and night difference.
now its your plant hell do what you like.
i agree on some parts of this thread more or less bottom plant cleaning up you know the lower bud sites that never really mature and are a waste of energy YES get rid of them
For instance catmans plants clean up 12" of lower bud sites there going to accumulate to nothing anyways the internoding on them are like 8" apart so there not going to join up so more or less shake when dryed
the key to Hi yields is close internodes so buds join up

 

[medicalmj]

Thanks Dr for chiming in on this on as its a big debate. I've always thought like you but so many swear by it. I did remove some larger leaves mid canopy to open up light to bottom as so many growers I know do. Not sure if it helped or hurt as that run, which is getting trimmed up tonite, So from you experience would say that even tho leaves are shading lower budsites that it's still best to leave them?

Also not to get way from this thread but I'm following your scrog technigue and was wondering:
Do you top or just have them follow the curve of the bucket as you pull down. I'am right at the point of pullin em over. Ones tied down others today. Then whats best method for curving around bucket?

Thanks doc!

 

[DrFever]

Thanks Dr for chiming in on this on as its a big debate. I've always thought like you but so many swear by it. I did remove some larger leaves mid canopy to open up light to bottom as so many growers I know do. Not sure if it helped or hurt as that run, which is getting trimmed up tonite, So from you experience would say that even tho leaves are shading lower budsites that it's still best to leave them?

Also not to get way from this thread but I'm following your scrog technigue and was wondering:
Do you top or just have them follow the curve of the bucket as you pull down. I'am right at the point of pullin em over. Ones tied down others today. Then whats best method for curving around bucket?

Thanks doc!

IMO honestly is leafs are the main driving part on any plant this is where plant absorbs light stores energy it a vital part Period to remove them from a plant is only allowing plant to work over time to make up for lost energy that a person cut off less plant leaf = less photosynthisis meaning less energy, not to mention sugars, amino acids you name it sure some growers tend to believe wow i got more yield cause i allowed light to get to lower part of the buds, <--- this is important now them lower buds will never really look or be as dense as the top buds but here is a kicker by actually cleaning all the lower bud sites ( leaving leafs intact) will create a boost of energy to upper growth sites making dense monster buds that's where you going to make weight i will find these pics of a plant i took off leafs and trust me i am not a novice grower and i will also post pics of a plant non touched you be the judge on that

as for my scrog style i do cut stems and all lower bud sites and keep doing it weekly in flowering stage as them little fluff nugs are determined to keep trying to grow as for middle of plant up and leafs on my canopy i only tuck them under NEVER once do i remove them even if i got yellowing leafs i let the plant decide when to drop a leaf one word MOTHER nature

 

[St3ve]

IMO honestly is leafs are the main driving part on any plant this is where plant absorbs light stores energy it a vital part Period to remove them from a plant is only allowing plant to work over time to make up for lost energy that a person cut off less plant leaf = less photosynthisis meaning less energy, not to mention sugars, amino acids you name it sure some growers tend to believe wow i got more yield cause i allowed light to get to lower part of the buds, <--- this is important now them lower buds will never really look or be as dense as the top buds but here is a kicker by actually cleaning all the lower bud sites ( leaving leafs intact) will create a boost of energy to upper growth sites making dense monster buds that's where you going to make weight i will find these pics of a plant i took off leafs and trust me i am not a novice grower and i will also post pics of a plant non touched you be the judge on that

as for my scrog style i do cut stems and all lower bud sites and keep doing it weekly in flowering stage as them little fluff nugs are determined to keep trying to grow as for middle of plant up and leafs on my canopy i only tuck them under NEVER once do i remove them even if i got yellowing leafs i let the plant decide when to drop a leaf one word MOTHER nature

sigh.. another person trying to teach us the science. :

Either actually read the thread, or try it for yourself. If you haven't actually tried it, you have no business trying to explain why you don't think its a good idea. And don't try and answer with Mother Nature... I mean, unless you toss some seeds in the yard and let "mother nature" grow it for you than you're just being a hypocrite.

I have tried with and without and will NEVER go back to without. (as long as I have ample veg time allows). This process is much much more than just getting some light to the lower nodes. If don'e properly, it completely changes the structure of the plant in veg.

So I say respectfully, please stop trying to spread misinformation.

 

[DrFever]

sigh.. another person trying to teach us the science. :

Either actually read the thread, or try it for yourself. If you haven't actually tried it, you have no business trying to explain why you don't think its a good idea. And don't try and answer with Mother Nature... I mean, unless you toss some seeds in the yard and let "mother nature" grow it for you than you're just being a hypocrite.

I have tried with and without and will NEVER go back to without. (as long as I have ample veg time allows). This process is much much more than just getting some light to the lower nodes. If don'e properly, it completely changes the structure of the plant in veg.

So I say respectfully, please stop trying to spread misinformation.

you think i am spreading mis information ???
I respectfully ask please enhance your knowledge rocker

http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/FACULTY/farabee/biobk/BioBookPS.html

PS: and for your info YES i have done it in Veg and it slowed growth down almost by 2 weeks compared to others i didn't do And yes i do it in flowering stage but only on lower bud sites removal of them to send more energy to top buds

 

[DrFever]

Yo St3ve here defoilation