Tutorial Organics for Beginners

[rasputin]

Yes.

And if you're set on using FFOF that's cool, you can use that to make up your amended mix while the seeds are starting out in the promix. I'd just avoid directly sowing seed into it.

 

[bid26]

Oh, no. I'm not set on FFOF at all. I've just heard the name being thrown around a lot so it's what I bought. And I'm pretty sure it's not returnable so I was hoping to save some money. But if something else (in this case the ProMix) would work better I'm definitely open to changing what I was planning.

Thanks for the help!

 

[SeaMaiden]

Just an FYI regarding Pro-Mix. It's actually a highly recommended product to use for soil blocking. What is soil blocking, one might ask?

Just watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-VMneNrm_4&feature=fvwrel

Apparently, Pro-Mix is preferred because it's a coir-peat combination, which seems to work best for soil blocking. Seems to me that it's the perfect stuff to start any seeds in, irrespective of whether or not it's been formed into blocks.

 

[Swayze]

I use a Coir-Peat combo for my soil. It's worked perfectly for me.

 

[Vhghost]

first time in a long time

first time in a long time

hello everyone, i love the organics forum.. you have the most amazing nugs around! awesome job!!!
i have been gathering organic meterials so i thought i'd post it up and get some feed back on what i might need to add or take away
so please feel free to give me feed back on how you guys would you what i have for now and so on...
thanks again for all of the amazing help and teachings.

 

[Vhghost]

also have blood meal.. don't know i how i missed it..

 

[darkstar270]

Vhghost, I'd add some dolomite lime, & perlite to that list.

 

[Vhghost]

The List goes something like this.
-recycled promix ( peat moss/perlite mix ) * and a brick of Compressed Coco
-Worm castings
-Sea soil( fish and forest fines ) ( 2.1-0.16-0.05 )
-Bone meal (3-14-0)
-Kelp Meal
-Blood Meal ( 13-1-0.6 )
-Gaia Green High Phos. Bat Guano ( 0-15-1 )
-Alfalfa Meal ( 4-1-1 )
-Liquid Seaweed Extract (0.3-1.7-6.5 )
-Green Sand ( 0-1-8 )
-Dolomite lime
-Black Strap Mollases
need to get the cook started.. so any final input would be appreciated as for
VEG mix
& a flower mix.
Thank again ..

 

[c-ray]

Vhghost this should work for you

veg

per gallon of medium:

200 ml worm castings
50 ml alfalfa
25 ml dolomite
15 ml blood meal
5 ml bone meal
5 ml greensand


flowering

per gallon of medium:

200 ml worm castings
30 ml alfalfa
20 ml dolomite
5 ml blood meal
10 ml bone meal
5 ml greensand
5 ml bat guano

make teas with the liquid kelp and molasses, + whatever the plants need until week 5 of flower and water the rest of the way on an 8-9 week strain

if you can, get some calcitic lime aka calcium carbonate and use that 10ml per gallon with only 5ml dolomite per gallon in both mixes.. dolomite provides too much Mg by itself an excess Mg leads to a harsher smoke ime

 

[budman678]

i love subcool's SS recipe

1/4 Recipe
2 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
6.25 to 12.5 lbs of organic worm castings
1.25lbs or 20 ounces steamed bone meal
1.25lbs or 20 ounces bloom bat guano
1.25lbs or 20 ounces blood meal
3/4 lbs rock phosphate
3/16 cup or 3 tablespoons Epsom Salts
1/8 cup or 2 tablespoons sweet lime (dolomite)
1/8 cup or 2 tablespoons azomite (trace elements)
1.5 teaspoons powdered humic acid

 

[Vhghost]

thanks for all the help guys...
i can't wait to post pics of my girls loving the goods

 

[jerry111165]

Just an FYI regarding Pro-Mix. It's actually a highly recommended product to use for soil blocking. What is soil blocking, one might ask?

Just watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-VMneNrm_4&feature=fvwrel

Apparently, Pro-Mix is preferred because it's a coir-peat combination, which seems to work best for soil blocking. Seems to me that it's the perfect stuff to start any seeds in, irrespective of whether or not it's been formed into blocks.

I dont believe that there is coir in Pro-Mix, unless you buy this specific one - http://www.pthorticulture.com/en/pro-mix-hp-cc-mycorrhizae-growing-medium/ - unfortunately, Ive never seen this particular type anywhere in any of the stores. For some reason Home Depot, and even all of the nurseries (at least around me) just dont carry this specific type - All I ever see is the ProMix BX or the regular standard type. I think they'd sell alot more of it if they did push the "HP CC" type at Home Depot and all the other big box type stores.

I used to grow (seems like forever ago now) in straight coir before I went organic some years ago. I gotta say, I do love the texture and overall performance of coir.


http://www.pthorticulture.com/en/pro-mix-bx-mycorrhizae-growing-medium/

http://www.pthorticulture.com/en/pro-mix-bx-biofungicide-biostimulant-growing-medium/

http://www.pthorticulture.com/en/pro-mix-flex-growing-medium-professional/

Just make sure you get the right one if youre looking for coir.

j

 

[jerry111165]

Vhghost this should work for you

veg

per gallon of medium:

200 ml worm castings
50 ml alfalfa
25 ml dolomite
15 ml blood meal
5 ml bone meal
5 ml greensand


flowering

per gallon of medium:

200 ml worm castings
30 ml alfalfa
20 ml dolomite
5 ml blood meal
10 ml bone meal
5 ml greensand
5 ml bat guano

make teas with the liquid kelp and molasses, + whatever the plants need until week 5 of flower and water the rest of the way on an 8-9 week strain

if you can, get some calcitic lime aka calcium carbonate and use that 10ml per gallon with only 5ml dolomite per gallon in both mixes.. dolomite provides too much Mg by itself an excess Mg leads to a harsher smoke ime

C-Ray, I'm interested in your reasoning on giving advice to use 2 different soil mixes for veg and flower?

Can you please explain?

Thanks,

jerry.

 

[c-ray]

C-Ray, I'm interested in your reasoning on giving advice to use 2 different soil mixes for veg and flower?

Can you please explain?

Thanks,

jerry.

most plants will veg fine in a flowering mix but certain plants are sensitive to P and veg better in a mix with less P and more N ime

 

[Dignan]

I have yet to find a plant though that won't flower perfectly in what is typically considered a "veg" soil mix, i.e. balanced NPK. When a plant doesn't need the N in the soil, it simply won't uptake N (in a reasonable soil mix with balanced NPK or something close to it).

 

[Red Fang]

Are you sure you use a cup per cubic feet of medium of dolomite lime? I use one of those plastic coffee containers that seems to equal a 3 qt sauce pan and follow the other instructions for LC's mix #2, and with the bone/blood meal option, but 1 was putting in 1 cup of lime for 10 parts of total mix, so 2 cups for 20 parts total, and that fills like a 2 x 3 x 1 ft high or a little taller tub like half way, and according to that I have to use 20 cups?! I was getting too high pH even with just the 2 cups!

 

[Vhghost]

i'm more than happy to see other mix's if anyone want to add their 2cents

years ago when blazeoneup ran an organic grow to try it out... i used the same mix as he used and the entire run i used the same soil from start to finish... only water was added for the entire life of the plant....
needless to say i was hooked...
and the smoke ... oooohh booyyy .... YUMMMMY
nothing like it...
haven't smoked anything that good and uplifting since then.
Peace and love..
keep it green

 

[jerry111165]

most plants will veg fine in a flowering mix but certain plants are sensitive to P and veg better in a mix with less P and more N ime

N for veg and P for flower is a hydroponic myth and the essence of Stoner Science - no offence intended or meant.

There is no such thing as a "flowering mix" in a real organic garden.

NPK is a myth perpetuated by fertilizer companies.

Best,

Jerry.

 

[jerry111165]

I was turned on to this article that helps explain a little better some time ago by a friend -

http://www.archipelagobatguano.com/phosphate.shtml

J

 

[c-ray]

N for veg and P for flower is a hydroponic myth and the essence of Stoner Science - no offence intended or meant.

There is no such thing as a "flowering mix" in a real organic garden.

NPK is a myth perpetuated by fertilizer companies.

Best,

Jerry.

like I said most plants....but there are some like grapefruit, timewarp, semi-autos, etc that will start flowering in veg when they are root restricted and have ample P in the root zone, in my experience (as a stoner scientist)