Can ANYONE name the poison Eagle 20 with the active ingredient Myclobutanil??

[Neo 420]

most pests will develop a resistance to their survival wether the cure be chemical or organic or what not. so the resistance arguement is a pretty weak one.

Show me proof on that? Mother nature has a way of balancing things. We ( man- made ) fuck it up. Not mother nature.....

 

[opt1c]

if you wish people to be hit by a truck for growing weed an ego check shouldn't hurt

lol... if you read my original post that only applies to those using eagle20 and whatnot trying to pass their stuff off as organic.... i guess the same would apply if you're using avid and claiming you grow organic... call a spade a spade and you're good by me... i just don't care much for those who lie at the expense of others for their own gain is all

 

[opt1c]

Show me proof on that? Mother nature has a way of balancing things. We ( man- made ) fuck it up. Not mother nature.....

look up I.P.M. integrated pest management... its science... like magnets... so using the same product time and time again will lead to disease and pests that are tolerant of said product... ie nature adapting and surviving... hence why it is beneficial to change things up to break that cycle

 

[Neo 420]

look up I.P.M. integrated pest management... its science... like magnets... so using the same product time and time again will lead to disease and pests that are tolerant of said product... ie nature adapting and surviving... hence why it is beneficial to change things up to break that cycle

Oh...I mean by way of organic treatments. I would like to see proof of organics pest controls that a pest adapted. I know insects develope resistance to man made controls.

 

[medicalmj]

So, Im just saying, weed is like cigarettes, your brain tells you that you like it because you are addicted. Im not trying to cause a fight, I just think that its true. I smoked for 6 years with a pack a day, and I used to think that I wasn't addicted, just that I loved to smoke tobacco.

Dude weed's not even close. I used to smoke dirts and empirically no comparison. And the research of late (by nonpartisans) backs my claim. So what is your angle bro? Show me the studies that show how most of use is detrimental to our health, or quit spreadin govt propoganda!

 

[SeaMaiden]

most pests will develop a resistance to their survival wether the cure be chemical or organic or what not. so the resistance arguement is a pretty weak one.

Mites do not develop resistance to essential plant oils. Why is that? Yet they develop resistance as easily to our man-made miticides, if not more so, than fungi develop resistance.

Do you know, without Googling, what a single site mode of action type of 'cide' is? How they work? Why they're labeled to be used in a rotation of 'cides', not alone or for too long?

How is it that humans have managed to create superbugs in just a few short decades of antibiotic misuse? Not extremophiles, either, just plain old infectious 'bugs'. How is that?

Why don't they develop resistance to isopropyl alcohol? Or steam?

The resistance argument is not only very salient, it's extremely important if we plan to continue eating. Our very food depends on cognizance.

Hello all,

medicalmj, I googled PPA and it does not seem to have any negitive drawback. My research was brief.

Seems like a accepted PM treatment. As was mentioned this is a systemic problem so any topical treament is just for control.

I have just bought my container of Greencure and will use it maybe sooner then I first thought as the buds are packing on.

Also, I must say that the milk treatment, while is controlling the issue, does not look good on the leaves what with dried milk film/spots on the leaves. better then PM I suppose.

Also, I am going to rinse my buds in a h2o2 (.1% as recommended by JC) solution after trimming and before hanging up (or drying rack). I will do my harvest in a course of a week if the weather permits but I still am thinking I got 3-5 weeks left(hoping the weather cooperates).

I have dipped freshly harvested plants entirely, and as long as they go immediately into a drying area there were no bad effects. Unfortunately, I used Greencure for the dip, and it left a soapy taste. The H2O2 will perform much better for you, I think.

Just an FYI, Surround (a kaolin clay product for organic production) does the same thing, but it rinses right off.

Seamaiden, I use store bought whole milk likely with BGH and other things in it. I have read that dehydrated milk produces the same results without the fat content.

My wife tells me BGH is why young girls are getting their breasts so early in these modern times. I wonder if it will make my girls mature faster. lol.

My youngest son began showing precocious puberty at age 8. He was growing body and pubic hair. I switched his meats and milks and he got a few more years of childhood under his belt. I firmly believe your wife is correct.

What I like about the milk treatment and the Greenscure treatment is that both have folier benifits to the plant. And with the Greencure being potassium bicarbonate, using it in flower is perfect addition. The benifits of using milk are amino acids and hormones I understand but could be wrong on that. Also milk has P and K as well that is available as I understand.

And Ca.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Damn it! Hit by the revolving browser, right smack in the ass.

 

[skullznroses]

Dude weed's not even close. I used to smoke dirts and empirically no comparison. And the research of late (by nonpartisans) backs my claim. So what is your angle bro? Show me the studies that show how most of use is detrimental to our health, or quit spreadin govt propoganda!

Im speaking from experience and the heart. Smoking is not good for you. If you use a chemical everyday and have dependency, i.e. you freak out when you can't get it, you have an addiction. Don't try to tell me inhaling hot fumes from combusted plant material is good for your lungs.

Cigs are without a doubt worse, and cannabis in small amounts is fine for you. Im just saying heavy users are hurting their lungs.

Do you cough up lungers from smoking cannabis? I do, and I quit cigs about 5 years ago.

Who gives a crap about "govt propaganda" they hate us already.

 

[skullznroses]

lol... if you read my original post that only applies to those using eagle20 and whatnot trying to pass their stuff off as organic.... i guess the same would apply if you're using avid and claiming you grow organic... call a spade a spade and you're good by me... i just don't care much for those who lie at the expense of others for their own gain is all

agreed, it just seems people sometimes get too invested in their growing style and smoking prefs... so much so that they get downright mean sometimes. Lol go smoke a joint I guess. PEACE

 

[medicalmj]

Im speaking from experience and the heart. Smoking is not good for you. If you use a chemical everyday and have dependency, i.e. you freak out when you can't get it, you have an addiction. Don't try to tell me inhaling hot fumes from combusted plant material is good for your lungs.

Cigs are without a doubt worse, and cannabis in small amounts is fine for you. Im just saying heavy users are hurting their lungs.

Do you cough up lungers from smoking cannabis? I do, and I quit cigs about 5 years ago.

Who gives a crap about "govt propaganda" they hate us already.

I see your point.

But what you're talking about now is addiction in general. That is, one is just as likely to be "addicted" to food, sex or even working out as are marijuana. It's not the substance (unless it is truly an addictive drug like opiates) but the frame of mind. Ones entire lifes experience and the world in which they exist, which is pretty effed up if you think about it. So we should think about harm reduction.

No need to smoke out of the ole tin foil bowl made by forming around a pencil (although I did do that recently) when we can filter out most of the harmful crap and just enjoy the fine bouquet and a peaceful "high" from some good herb. And yeah, we need to put things into perspective. Things like Myclobutinal sprayed in veg is probably 100x less harmful than any food product you buy off the shelf.

But there are some growers who will spray whatever and whenever if it'll protect investment, kinda like the rest of our corporate society. And they're probably not involved in this conversation anyway.

And no, I don't hack up lung when I toke because I take small puffs and like to taste the flavor. Although hacking up a lung from cannabis a couple times a week is not harmful. That's the putting things into perspective approach...

Anyway that Blue Cheese I just smoked was awesome. Cut a small test bud 3 days ago and trichs are just about there.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Risk assessment and mitigation. For example, I ride a motorcycle. I wear a fullface helmet, and usually a leather jacket unless it's ungodly hot. I always wear gloves. I don't wear chaps unless it's cold. None of my gear has protection plates. I've installed flashing brake lights (I've been rearended on that motorcycle and it was NOT fun) as well as a flashing headlight. I have a light bar, and also have emergency flashers installed.

To be completely safe I should not be riding at all. Because riding is risky. But I assessed the risk and mitigate it, and this is key, to my satisfaction. Mitigating to my satisfaction is acceptable here because no one will become my victim should I get hurt. This is different from spraying chemicals that aren't properly tested or researched onto a substance people are smoking.

I don't hack or cough because I'm Princess Tinyhit.

 

[vukman]

I don't hack or cough because I'm Princess Tinyhit.

 

[supermanlives]

wow i am glad i dont need anything really lol. a bit of azamax and essential oils is about all i need. i dont use no pest strips anymore either. so cal climate rules for me. lol

 

[skullznroses]

Risk assessment and mitigation. For example, I ride a motorcycle. I wear a fullface helmet, and usually a leather jacket unless it's ungodly hot. I always wear gloves. I don't wear chaps unless it's cold. None of my gear has protection plates. I've installed flashing brake lights (I've been rearended on that motorcycle and it was NOT fun) as well as a flashing headlight. I have a light bar, and also have emergency flashers installed.

To be completely safe I should not be riding at all. Because riding is risky. But I assessed the risk and mitigate it, and this is key, to my satisfaction. Mitigating to my satisfaction is acceptable here because no one will become my victim should I get hurt. This is different from spraying chemicals that aren't properly tested or researched onto a substance people are smoking.

I don't hack or cough because I'm Princess Tinyhit.

If your eating conventional asparagus, bananas, strawberries, raisins or broccoli you are eating fungicides used heavily up until 7-14 days from harvest. I don't see how 5grams of Eagle, on many big plants 5-6 weeks from harvest is more harmful then this food.

If you hit somebody on your motorcycle because you were smoking pot the night before, or earlier that day you are not mitigating your risk.

I used to drink and drive with my friends in high school, we thought we were invincible. Now after years of farm work, including spraying food crops with Sevran and other heavy chems, I feel my use is entirely reasonable and for me something that was premeditated. I stand by my calculations regarding exposure and the research I did regarding the TOXIC nature. Remember that toxicity is a matter of concentration, as well as frequency. That motorcycle exhaust would kill a rat in minutes at the right concentration.

Peace, its backyard garden dinner time on the East Coast.

 

[siftedunity]

Show me proof on that? Mother nature has a way of balancing things. We ( man- made ) fuck it up. Not mother nature.....

the proof? how about the theory of evolution? nature can evolved around man made things too.

 

[siftedunity]

Mites do not develop resistance to essential plant oils. Why is that? Yet they develop resistance as easily to our man-made miticides, if not more so, than fungi develop resistance.

Do you know, without Googling, what a single site mode of action type of 'cide' is? How they work? Why they're labeled to be used in a rotation of 'cides', not alone or for too long?

How is it that humans have managed to create superbugs in just a few short decades of antibiotic misuse? Not extremophiles, either, just plain old infectious 'bugs'. How is that?

Why don't they develop resistance to isopropyl alcohol? Or steam?

The resistance argument is not only very salient, it's extremely important if we plan to continue eating. Our very food depends on cognizance.

I have dipped freshly harvested plants entirely, and as long as they go immediately into a drying area there were no bad effects. Unfortunately, I used Greencure for the dip, and it left a soapy taste. The H2O2 will perform much better for you, I think.

Just an FYI, Surround (a kaolin clay product for organic production) does the same thing, but it rinses right off.

My youngest son began showing precocious puberty at age 8. He was growing body and pubic hair. I switched his meats and milks and he got a few more years of childhood under his belt. I firmly believe your wife is correct.

And Ca.

tbh il avoid arguing with you because it will just lead to nowhere. your unwilling to accept anything apart from what you already believe which is your perogative.

btw the reason pests become immune to harsh chemicals is because its an imminant threat to the survival of their race. oils or natural predators ect, it will take hundreds or thousands + years to evolve a defence mechanism.


and steam?? well thats like saying humans can evolve to survive being shot o blown up. its just a stupid thing to say.

 

[Neo 420]

the proof? how about the theory of evolution? nature can evolved around man made things too.

Show me proof in the context of our conversation. By time any of the insects gain tolerance to organic controls, you would have went through 1000 generations of your family. You are on a tangent...

 

[SeaMaiden]

tbh il avoid arguing with you because it will just lead to nowhere. your unwilling to accept anything apart from what you already believe which is your perogative.

btw the reason pests become immune to harsh chemicals is because its an imminant threat to the survival of their race. oils or natural predators ect, it will take hundreds or thousands + years to evolve a defence mechanism.


and steam?? well thats like saying humans can evolve to survive being shot o blown up. its just a stupid thing to say.

If that's your understanding of evolution and the biology, then you're right, it's pointless.

 

[TribalSeeds]

My youngest son began showing precocious puberty at age 8. He was growing body and pubic hair. I switched his meats and milks and he got a few more years of childhood under his belt. I firmly believe your wife is correct.

And Ca.[/quote]


Probably just because that toughbrutusthebarberbeafcake dude is such a manly stud, his son is gonna be ripped and have a goatee before high school. That kids probably parking his chopper next to the other kids bmx's in elementary school.

 

[siftedunity]

If that's your understanding of evolution and the biology, then you're right, it's pointless.

i took a biology degree. yourself?