Wholesale pot prices plummet. Now there starting to get better
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If your not making money growing indoor your doing something wrong IMHO.....I run 3200 KW's in the most expensive power in the US (I have not researched it completely but have NOT found higher rates).....I run a vertical garden, (just had a recent crop set back due to laziness MY fault totally) but last year after expenses I took down MID 5 figure and that was after splitting profits with my partner 50 - 50!!!!
It's ALL in the marketing, I spent 15 years in Silicon Vallery and learned very clearly you can have the BEST product but if no one will pay a good amount for it your screwed....now ALL of my produce never even stays in Cali though..I ALSO learned that in about 4 visits to "market" my med's to dispensaries 3 years ago....have NEVER been back since.
It's ALL in the marketing, I spent 15 years in Silicon Vallery and learned very clearly you can have the BEST product but if no one will pay a good amount for it your screwed....now ALL of my produce never even stays in Cali though..I ALSO learned that in about 4 visits to "market" my med's to dispensaries 3 years ago....have NEVER been back since.
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MegaYields - You've got no idea bro. 3200W isn't even big enough to be a mother room for some people. Those are the indoor growers who aren't making money any more. Imagine if you needed a 12 light mother room , 5kW of T5s for rooting / early veg ...Then need to cool that and power your lights too? And at 2.5 per unit? I've heard of people in my area taking that for light dep..
I heard of a guy who grew 15 units using just 1 pallet of black gold($385.00) , 40 plants (Let's assume they didn't produce their own and had to buy some established starts, $400) 1 bag black gold was poured out per plant over an old trench and this was minimally fertilized or taken care of apparently ...and cost Zero to light, cool, and the plants were extras they weren't going to use in their full season holes so the cost producing all the plants for the farm and spring operating expense is recouped in August not October or November..So 15 x 2.5...That's 36.7 recouped on less than 1 laid out...They already had the PVC structure and tarp from past light deps..
I've seen your grow journals and nothing personal I think it'd take you 15-20 lights to grow 15 units... And As you say..You're on the most expensive power in the Country...So...Do that math..Where's the money at on a wholesale level? Inside..Nah..
I heard of a guy who grew 15 units using just 1 pallet of black gold($385.00) , 40 plants (Let's assume they didn't produce their own and had to buy some established starts, $400) 1 bag black gold was poured out per plant over an old trench and this was minimally fertilized or taken care of apparently ...and cost Zero to light, cool, and the plants were extras they weren't going to use in their full season holes so the cost producing all the plants for the farm and spring operating expense is recouped in August not October or November..So 15 x 2.5...That's 36.7 recouped on less than 1 laid out...They already had the PVC structure and tarp from past light deps..
I've seen your grow journals and nothing personal I think it'd take you 15-20 lights to grow 15 units... And As you say..You're on the most expensive power in the Country...So...Do that math..Where's the money at on a wholesale level? Inside..Nah..
Light Depravation...
Light Depravation...
Here:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=240036&highlight=Light+Depravation .. I hope this helps you! monkey5
Light Depravation...
Here:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=240036&highlight=Light+Depravation .. I hope this helps you! monkey5
What Light Dep means, is that you are manipulating the Seasons-- It stands for Light Deprivation-- That you need to black out your crop, to keep it in flower for the Spring Crop-- (In a Green House)
But myself...I have found the Strain that will flower in longer light...so I don't use any "Dep" at all-- (It is a pain in the ass, opening and closing 6000 sq ft of plasitc!!)
We pull 100# plus, twice a year...of Afghani Kush...I have tried Dep...while growing other strains...so now I only run Kush in the Spring...it will flower in 15 hours of light--
But the best thing is...is that we have no electric Bill, to speak of...so I have no problem selling for 2 grand a pound...when others are getting 25....because I can get off it all...quickly!! Been selling the same stuff for 6 years now...and everyone I know still wants it!!
Yeah fuckers...I am your competition!! Deal!!
EDIT-- Oh yeah...we had a change in Ownership...and I actually have a say in how things are done now...this Summer, we are expecting 150#'s....and it will only get better from here!!
skull and roses
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See people like the above are making bank no doubt, greenhouse and OD have a higher ceiling and profit margins...but indoor isn't dead. This can be seen in the fact that almost every town in NorCal has 5+ grow stores which are heavily stocked with indoor supplies and shitloads of indoor growers.
Indoor isn't dead...indeed!! But it is getting harder to justify the cost...when a GH is cheaper to build than an indoor grow-- And has all the "Control" factors!!
The reason it isn't dead yet, is that not everybody has the space, or situation that will allow a GH--
That is one quarter of our GH--
Picked up some good lookin last years outdoor for 12, and lemon skunk and Tahoe og for $23. All the skunk and og went in a day and the 12 is almost gone. Seen dispensaries taking in garbage for 25 cause everybodies out.
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KMK Been loving what you've had going on for years now man. Really great stuff. Come check out the Growing Large Plants OutDoors thread in Tom Hill's Vendor Forum...Bless.
250wscrogger
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Greenhouse or light dep is where the real profit is....Much lower overhead costs and the quality/price per LB is pretty much the same as indoors.
Sweet Lou
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If ya know what your doing and how to maximize your indoor grow space the $ is there but most don't want to spend the time or learn proper techniques to do this . If you have a A+ product you can still fetch 34 to 36 a P but man those days of 48 and up are way gone . Overhead is just part of the game in any business and so is hard work . Zoolander
$34 - 36???
man I kinda don't believe that (cough bullshit)...sorry bro...see your posting like a madman and have a strong opinion on a LOT of topics but $34-36 in Norcal area is just a bit optomistic. Maybe if you have Triple A+ GSC but even THOSE prices have dropped, even in this temporary drought we have atm, that will stop in about 3-4 weeks REAL FAST.
I dont think the game could have asked for a better time for me yours truely to intervine ...
5k all day on this side...and thats the homie hook up ... and not OG Kush...that shit is running its course...
Of course we're talking Landrace Iranians... Big Exclusive Club of 1 ... Game Over
You guys should travel to the Middle East and go collect some exotic genetics that have never been introduced to the Western Hemisphere...Imagine how much you could charge for something the world has never ever experienced..CBD off the Fucken Charts...
5k all day on this side...and thats the homie hook up ... and not OG Kush...that shit is running its course...
Of course we're talking Landrace Iranians... Big Exclusive Club of 1 ... Game Over
You guys should travel to the Middle East and go collect some exotic genetics that have never been introduced to the Western Hemisphere...Imagine how much you could charge for something the world has never ever experienced..CBD off the Fucken Charts...
East of Ohio shit is going for 4k per unit plus....
Breakdown
Per 1k light 9 plants per light"...not including rent or veg time
2 bags roots soilless ".......$36
Organic amendments, GO line and BIO Canna for supplemental feelings..... 100
Electricity at .11 kwh "dirt cheap I know"about......$110 for light,fan and AC per 70days
Water... Less than $10 per light after initial or system investment
I'll add another $300 for misc just to prove my point....
That's a total of $556 per 1 k light... Even if you only hit 1lb per light at $2500 you are still making damn good money
If you know how to run your game you are getting paid.
Multiply this by X number of lights... If your efficiency goes down with additional lights you have a grow room design problem..
Breakdown
Per 1k light 9 plants per light"...not including rent or veg time
2 bags roots soilless ".......$36
Organic amendments, GO line and BIO Canna for supplemental feelings..... 100
Electricity at .11 kwh "dirt cheap I know"about......$110 for light,fan and AC per 70days
Water... Less than $10 per light after initial or system investment
I'll add another $300 for misc just to prove my point....
That's a total of $556 per 1 k light... Even if you only hit 1lb per light at $2500 you are still making damn good money
If you know how to run your game you are getting paid.
Multiply this by X number of lights... If your efficiency goes down with additional lights you have a grow room design problem..
Im making WAY MORE money right now, then my whole growing career, gardening indoors, in this drought, with sliding prices....
If your saying that indoor is dead, you NEED to change something about your game, clients, or whatever you need to do....
If your saying that indoor is dead, you NEED to change something about your game, clients, or whatever you need to do....
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Z-ro
^^ Why wouldnt you include rent or veg time that is a standard part of the equation?? If I wasnt growing in the house I wouldnt be renting it. And were talking Northern California here not the beast coast. If I was exporting personally Id be killing it, but I dont...
Krunch, how many lights and what are you paying for pge or do you even pay at all?
Krunch, how many lights and what are you paying for pge or do you even pay at all?
I use 1k per 4k in flower for veg. Most strains I would veg for 2 weeks from clones in beer cups under t5s then transplant to 2 to 5 gallons pot "strain dependent" for 2 weeks under the 1ks. Mothers are kept in dwc scrog style under t5s.
So basically mothers and vegging do not add much to my system. I'll just say $200per 70 days per 1k but in truth its nowhere even close to that.
So basically mothers and vegging do not add much to my system. I'll just say $200per 70 days per 1k but in truth its nowhere even close to that.
