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Court will hear ASA vs. DEA case on rescheduling

DoobieDuck

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I received a letter this AM with an important development in the ASA vs. DEA case.. Here it is in part from Steph Sherer Executive Director ASA..DD:
Late last week Americans for Safe Access (ASA) got some exciting news: the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit agreed to hear oral arguments in Americans for Safe Access v. Drug Enforcement Administration. Ten years after original rescheduling petition was filed, the courts will finally review the scientific evidence regarding the therapeutic value of cannabis!
……………Last year, we appealed the Administration’s decision to deny our nine-year old rescheduling petition, knowing that the courts could still choose not to hear our case. The decision to hear oral arguments is huge. This appeal may lead to the first evidentiary hearings of the medical value of cannabis since 1994 – and a lot has happened since then!
………….ASA can make this happen. We have a strong legal team and recognized expertise in the field. We also have a comprehensive plan to use media, legislation, and strategic grassroots organizing to get the most out of this lawsuit……………
Victory on this front would literally be the turning point for safe access to medical cannabis nationwide! We can fight this fight and win – if people like you support the effort. Thank you for helping make it happen………...
Steph Sherer
 

Weird

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shame the ama is in bed with big pharma

hope individual right to cultivate medicine isnt lost in translation
 

Smoking Gun

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shame the ama is in bed with big pharma

hope individual right to cultivate medicine isnt lost in translation

What does this have to do with what DD posted?

DD thanks for the update. I hate that this is what we get to call progress.
 

Weird

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What does this have to do with what DD posted?

DD thanks for the update. I hate that this is what we get to call progress.


schedule can determine if it needs to be administrated be medical personnel or self administrated

fact is that without the cannabis community has be safely self medicating for eons

now look at the push to close dispensaries and shut down the movement and the catalysts (lobby power) behind it you will see big pharma

big pharma has huge influence on the ama HUGE

doctors make money per visit and you cant get a script without a visit

this model has been designed to give doctors revenues streams for therapeutic maintenance while the pharmaceutical companies make the gross of the profit

its not the same thing as healing, its not the only means to an end

the explosion of marijuana as medicine is undercutting their market share and making it legal is not empowering them or their interests

make marijuana a scheduled med that needs to be made by a pharmaceutical conglomerate and prescribed by doctors

well then you get what they give you at the cost they make you pay

i want the liberty of choice when it comes to my source of medicine
 
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SeaMaiden

shame the ama is in bed with big pharma

hope individual right to cultivate medicine isnt lost in translation

Shame the ASA seems to be in bed with someone, too.

I don't trust them.
 
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...i want the liberty of choice when it comes to my source of medicine


i do too and with Cannabis as a Schedule II it acknowledges there is accepted medicinal value and with that admission i'll take my chances in court.

i fail to see where rescheduling also gives big pharma an exclusive on meeting the needs of the public. sure its a capitalist market where only the well funded survive but it doesnt automatically mean the little guy cant survive.

adapt or perish
 

Smoking Gun

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schedule can determine if it needs to be administrated be medical personnel or self administrated

fact is that without the cannabis community has be safely self medicating for eons

now look at the push to close dispensaries and shut down the movement and the catalysts (lobby power) behind it you will see big pharma

big pharma has huge influence on the ama HUGE

doctors make money per visit and you cant get a script without a visit

this model has been designed to give doctors revenues streams for therapeutic maintenance while the pharmaceutical companies make the gross of the profit

its not the same thing as healing, its not the only means to an end

the explosion of marijuana as medicine is undercutting their market share and making it legal is not empowering them or their interests

make marijuana a scheduled med that needs to be made by a pharmaceutical conglomerate and prescribed by doctors

well then you get what they give you at the cost they make you pay

i want the liberty of choice when it comes to my source of medicine

Again not sure where the AMA or big pharma come into this conversation. DD posted about ASA vs. the DEA.

And while the AMA may not outright support medical marijuana there are plenty of doctors within the organization that do support the use of MMJ. Also the views of the medical community on medical marijuana are rapidly changing and becoming much more friendly. Here is a quick list of medical organizations that do support MMJ: http://arcompassion.org/about-medical-marijuana/who-supports-medical-marijuana
 

Zen Master

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Just get it off schedule 1, we all know its not gonna be wiped off entirely, and we all know its not deserving of that level.
Science can clearly point that out. Just get it the fuck off #1 and I'll be happy.

I think we're lookin at sch 2 initially, followed by 3 realistically, then perhaps 4 in dream land or quite a few years after it being rescheduled. (if it even happens).
 
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rives

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Great news, I think. Any evaluation modestly grounded in reality will show the absurdity of the current scheduling.
 
did you hear the one about the agnostic dyslexic insomniac....

did you hear the one about the agnostic dyslexic insomniac....

i thought it was ama lol fuckgni dyslexia strikes again!!!


Dyslexia or not, what you posted gets to the heart about this whole little dance.
 

Weird

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Dyslexia or not, what you posted gets to the heart about this whole little dance.


right on bro i could write a dissertation on it, my life being a testimony to the fact, but it wasn't appropriate and i can come off pretty righteous at times but i'm also painfully human and imho a big part of finding balance in life was accepting both parts and you know i was so sure of the answer before it really knew what it is

for me its important to recognize it

thanks for finding something good in it none the less
 

Growcephus

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schedule can determine if it needs to be administrated be medical personnel or self administrated

fact is that without the cannabis community has be safely self medicating for eons

now look at the push to close dispensaries and shut down the movement and the catalysts (lobby power) behind it you will see big pharma

big pharma has huge influence on the ama HUGE

doctors make money per visit and you cant get a script without a visit

this model has been designed to give doctors revenues streams for therapeutic maintenance while the pharmaceutical companies make the gross of the profit

its not the same thing as healing, its not the only means to an end

the explosion of marijuana as medicine is undercutting their market share and making it legal is not empowering them or their interests

make marijuana a scheduled med that needs to be made by a pharmaceutical conglomerate and prescribed by doctors

well then you get what they give you at the cost they make you pay

i want the liberty of choice when it comes to my source of medicine

Fuck an' A...

I'm with THIS guy. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 

Zen Master

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yeah I agree however the whole 'profits' reason is why its not legal in the first place.

I can't grow vicodin or oxy in my back yard. I can toss some seeds in the ground and water em and get some herb out of it. May not be great but it cannot be stopped. Loopholes everywhere to avoid big pharmas massive markups on any MMJ products (short of extremely purified in a lab type extracts).
 

rives

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You know, this fear of "Big Pharma" may very well be misplaced and counterproductive. There is no way in hell that they are ever going to be able to stop us from growing, and it really isn't that big of a leap for us to go back to the dark side if the laws changed unfavorably.

"Big Pharma" has the resources, the budget, and the background to do things with cannabis that are beyond our imagination. Certainly there are numerous things that we have found to be very effective - Phoenix Tears, topical oils, high cbd plants, etc, but can you imagine what the outcome might be if numerous full-on research teams were allowed to work with it for a few years? Disregarding the usurious costs of the drugs that come out of it, there are bound to be unprecedented products healing god-only-knows what ailments. I can see huge benefits for the general populace from this miraculous plant. Now if only we can get them to leave us alone....
 

Weird

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You know, this fear of "Big Pharma" may very well be misplaced and counterproductive. There is no way in hell that they are ever going to be able to stop us from growing, and it really isn't that big of a leap for us to go back to the dark side if the laws changed unfavorably.

"Big Pharma" has the resources, the budget, and the background to do things with cannabis that are beyond our imagination. Certainly there are numerous things that we have found to be very effective - Phoenix Tears, topical oils, high cbd plants, etc, but can you imagine what the outcome might be if numerous full-on research teams were allowed to work with it for a few years? Disregarding the usurious costs of the drugs that come out of it, there are bound to be unprecedented products healing god-only-knows what ailments. I can see huge benefits for the general populace from this miraculous plant. Now if only we can get them to leave us alone....

big pharma is big trouble

you know for example there are medicines that can save many lives that are not available because they are not profitable and big pharma owns the rights to them so they don't see the light of day

they don't let the small firm or individual have that compound or give them access to the formula because of commercial interest

because of this people die

big phara doesn't have a conscience and they don't want competition

the only mistake i mad was confusing the ASA for the AMA

Californians dispensaries are closing

that's a first step in making exclusively available through licensed pharmaceutical firms form ,manufacture to distribution

not that the pressure comes solely from big pharma, drug enforcement agencies and law enforcement agencies whose payrolls need marijuana illegal to remain constant

they also contribute in the way of capital and lobby power

marijuana was made illegal to preserve commercial interests and it threatens commercial interests now

there is already a noted shift in use of medicines

big pharma doesn't want to lose market share and they have the power to influence the government

do some research the data is out there
 
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