High CBD strains, gotta have em!

[jamminman]

So how would a person go about getting more cbd? harvest earlier or later? or is it strain dependent?

Looks like it's more a mater of phenome within some strains. But I know there has to be ways of tweaking it. I guess the THC/CBD ratio pretty much stays the same from the time it's a few weeks old to the time it's finished. If THC can be increased by more UVb, I wonder if it is converting it from CBD or by producing more resin. In the case of more resin, is there more CBD as well? I have also heard both picking early and picking late produces higher %CBD. So I think the bottom line is, without testing, we can do little more than guess. I know I have learned so much in the last year about this subject and feel we are all learning together, or at least along the same tracks. "To boldly go."

 

[jamminman]

marian123- Nice! The only surviver out of mine is looking more sativa. One got ate by a cat, and the other three were "corkscrews" and died. I have had that happen before, but three out of 5 ?! Really hopping it's got a high CBD because I usually tend away from the satys. However, if it does, it shouldn't be like the sats I know (relaxing).

 

[jamminman]

I also did some water extracts, but they proved to be just that. The chloroform based test fluid wouldn't dissolve it. Very curious about its content too, could be very nutritious and medicinal.

 

[Quiet_Riot]

You can activate more of the exciting CBD in a CBD rich line, by heating bud, preferebly grinded to 120 celsius for a half hour to 1 hour, this is good for hash too as some imported hash has some CBD in it, and properly one of the reasons it can be so good for patients to eat they weed or hash, heated, and prepared in some way or another.

 

[Madjag]

Scientific Info on CBD and Links

Scientific Info on CBD and Links

CBD Science - Cannabis-Based Medical Extract

http://cbdscience.com/What_is_a_420_Tincture.html

THC & Cannabidiol Experiment

http://medicalcbd.wordpress.com/category/cannabidiol-cbd/

Scientific References for CBD

http://www.resinseeds.net/medicinalcannabis,en.html

Lab Notes: The Accuracy Question

http://www.projectcbd.org/LabNotes/LabNotes.html

"Commercially available cannabinoid standards are not necessarily reliable, we were surprised to learn. If a testing lab bases its calculations on THC or CBD in methanol purchased from a chemical supply house, and the amount present is less than claimed, a serious over-estimation of cannabinoid potency results.

CBD can be crystallized, so it is practical for a lab to create its own 100% pure CBD reference standard. With THC, a tarry, viscous liquid that sticks to glassware and everything else, it is much more difficult to create an accurate standard.

Sampling is also a weak link. From a pound of buds typically delivered by a grower in a turkey bag, the dispensary chooses a few -say, two grams' worth- to send to the lab. Since location on the plant is a factor in cannabinoid production, if two of the three sample buds are from cola tops, they won't provide a true average for the plant as a whole."

 

[Quiet_Riot]

"CBD can be crystalized", interesting.

 

[jamminman]

That's how they synthesize THC, or at least used to. Crystallize and separate the CBD and isomerize pure THC. You need a parr bomb for that. But I believe it takes some of it's properties away.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Looks like it's more a mater of phenome within some strains. But I know there has to be ways of tweaking it. I guess the THC/CBD ratio pretty much stays the same from the time it's a few weeks old to the time it's finished. If THC can be increased by more UVb, I wonder if it is converting it from CBD or by producing more resin. In the case of more resin, is there more CBD as well? I have also heard both picking early and picking late produces higher %CBD. So I think the bottom line is, without testing, we can do little more than guess. I know I have learned so much in the last year about this subject and feel we are all learning together, or at least along the same tracks. "To boldly go."

I know a later harvest makes my nugs more body high and less head high. a lot of people like to harvest 8 week strains with 8 percent red hairs but I find that is not good. I let mine go 9 or more weeks. They tell me when they are done by starting to naturally flush out there chlorophyll, and start to turn purple and Gold and then I flush them for 7 days. I also give my ladies a dawn and dust periods where over the first and last hours I lower the light levels a bulb at a time. I also mist my plants to imitate morning dew. I change the wind direction and strengths too. I try to give them as close to as natural as an environment as possible while utilizing technology and human horticulture tricks like hydroponics. but my ladies get a 7 to 14 day flush and I change the flush water everyday to leech out as many chemicals as possible. some people have thought it was organic, but I use a mix of safe chemicals and safe organics. After doing research there is health downsides to fully organic too. like certain molds and germs in organic fertilizers. However if a person is brave they can sterilize there fertilizer (animal poo, rotting, plant matter) in a pressure cooker.

 

[mexcurandero420]

You have to look in the genes.A strain with a Bd/allele will produce CBD and when it has also a Bt/allele it will produce THC too.

Keep on growing

 

[jamminman]

Letting go longer will let some of the THC convert to CBN and produce more terpines, but I wonder what happens to the CBD levels unless they are also degraded to CBN. One good thing to do is run a test on early, mid, and late harvest buds.

Thanks mexcurandero- I knew If this subject gets poked enough, lots of jewels would come tumbling out.
Came across this today.
http://www.genetics.org/content/163/1/335.full.pdf

 

[jamminman]

You can activate more of the exciting CBD in a CBD rich line, by heating bud, preferebly grinded to 120 celsius for a half hour to 1 hour, this is good for hash too as some imported hash has some CBD in it, and properly one of the reasons it can be so good for patients to eat they weed or hash, heated, and prepared in some way or another.

This is ONLY if the desired effect is getting high or backed. If the intention is to get as much in as possible for healing, please don't heat it or you will not be able to handle it. A quarter of what I need to take every day will render me bed ridden and semiconscious for a few days if it is decaboxilized. 1 to 3 grams of BHO at a time is not to be taken lightly.

 

[mexcurandero420]

If you want to know more about Cannabinoids, check this out.

Keep on growing

 

[jamminman]

If you want to know more about Cannabinoids, check this out.

Keep on growing

Good stuff!!! Going to take a bit to digest all that. Thanks man!

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

This is ONLY if the desired effect is getting high or backed. If the intention is to get as much in as possible for healing, please don't heat it or you will not be able to handle it. A quarter of what I need to take every day will render me bed ridden and semiconscious for a few days if it is decaboxilized. 1 to 3 grams of BHO at a time is not to be taken lightly.

^I could maybe handle half a gram in a day. it is strong stuff!

So what do cbn's do? how do they effect the high and the treatment vs. cbd?

 

[jamminman]

This may help.
http://www.alpha-cat.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Chemo-type-kaart-Alpha-CAT.pdf

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

this does clear a lot up, thanks for posting!

looks like hash plants are good for you. Mr. Nice G13 X Hash Plant or hash plant may be the strain for you. Mr. Nice has been one of my favorite seed companies for a long time.

http://sensiseeds.com/cannabis-seeds/sensi-seeds/mr-nice-g13-x-hash-plant

http://sensiseeds.com/cannabis-seeds/sensi-seeds/hash-plant

I have smoked both of these and thought they were good.

 

[jamminman]

Yes, CBGs, CBCs, and CBNs were things I was also looking for to address a few heart issues originally which is why I had run across one with a high CBD when I first tried using it on my tumors. Don't know if I mentioned on here or not but that one was a KushAge also.

 

[mexcurandero420]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1521821&postcount=82

Keep on growing

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

I'll have to give KushAge a try one day. maybe it will be good for my stomach.

 

[jamminman]

I'll have to give KushAge a try one day. maybe it will be good for my stomach.

I wonder if the info in this quote from another thread may help with all sorts of "gut" problems.

July 2012

Cannabinoid therapy appears to works marvelously for some, and yet others fail to respond.



Whilst it is critical to consider cannabinoid content as a factor in this (i.e. – Is there enough Cannabidiol (CBD) in your extract? Etc. Another mitigating detail lies within if ones cannabinoid receptors are activated or not.



Methylation has been proven to deactivate CB receptors, and this appears particularly prevalent within cancers of the stomach, colon1 and breast.



If methylation can create such an unwanted and critical scenario during cannabinoid therapy, then those undergoing cannabinoid therapy should look to include demethylating2 agents into their regime.



These include; Green Tea, FeverFew and Annurca Apples3

Green Tea is particularly useful as it can also naturally create Anti-Angiogenesis4



Another area that should be explored is within the use of Phenolic Oils.



Phenols and Phenylpropanoids are compounds of carbon-ring molecules incorporating on isoprene unit. They are sometimes called hemiterpenes. There are dozens of varieties of phenylpropanoids. They are found in Clove (90%), Cassia (80%), Basil (75%), Cinnamon (73%), Oregano (60%), Anise (50%), and Peppermint (25%).



While they can create conditions where unfriendly viruses and bacteria cannot live, the most important function performed by phenylpropanoids is that they clean the receptor sites on the cells. Without clean receptor sites cells cannot communicate, and the body malfunctions, resulting in sickness.



David Stewart, PhD, DNM also suggests in his book 'The Chemistry of Essential Oils Made Simple’ – that phenolic oils can clean receptor sites.



Prof. Dr. Jürg Gertsch of the Institute of Biochemistry and Molecular Medicine, Switzerland conducted a brilliant research paper5 looking for Phytocannabinoids beyond cannabis.



Prof Jürg Gertsch was kind enough to suggest the essential oil of Melissa officinalis (Lemon Balm) due to its terpenoid content, as a way to activate CB receptors, based on some preliminary research he has conducted.



In, 'Turned-Off Cannabinoid Receptor Turns on Colorectal Tumor Growth' published on www.drugs.com "HOUSTON, Aug. 1, 2008 – New preclinical research shows that cannabinoid cell surface receptor CB1 plays a tumor-suppressing role in human colorectal cancer, scientists report in the Aug. 1 edition of the journal Cancer Research." and contines, "Treating cell lines with decitabine, a demethylating agent approved for some types of leukemia, removed the methyl groups, restoring gene expression in 7 of 8 cell lines and full expression of CB1 protein in three lines."



Nadine Bews regimen calls for 1/8 teaspoon of grocery store cinnamon (cinnamon cassia) taken daily with 1 oz minimum coca chocolate 90% butter, per 1 gram cannabis indica extract at night for colon, stomach, breast cancers. Also, her regimen calls for 1-2 qt. Soda water with cranberry extract added to aid kidney function to move fluids. Another practioner suggests adding as much lemon juice as tolerable for aid in handling THC side effects.



1 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080801074056.htm

2 http://www.anti-agingfirewalls.com/2009/11/01/dna-demethylation-–-a-new-way-of-coming-at-cancers/

3 http://jn.nutrition.org/content/137/12/2622.full

4 http://www.alternativecancer.me/therapy/anti-angiogenesis-foods-agents-fight-cancer-natural/

5 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2931553/

6.http://www.drugs.com/clinical_trial...eptor-turns-colorectal-tumor-growth-5233.html

From here:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/gregory-karl-davis/activating-cannabinoid-receptors/397609560259679