Vegan Organic Help

[ClackamasCootz]

He was in a movie with Jorges....I saw it...so brilliant.

There's a great joke there but I'll refrain.......

 

[Microbeman]

Only watch this if you love wasting time and feeling ill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoI1dwVZKy8

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Ya know - if one took the vegan gardening paradigm to heart then an AACT wouldn't be allowed because you're exploiting an organism for your benefit or profit (GASP!)

So you'd better figure out a new method if you wanted to go 'vegan' - ahem

 

[DARC MIND]

right on coot
yea im not in favor or hear to argue why certain kats do things...,simple answer is ther human

i think the bee and worm thing is pretty ridic,most home bee keepers really dont get much honey and we all should try encouraging wild life...
& worms,lots of bins can be made directly on garden soil & imo the best way to go about..
breed the worms directly in the garden, letting them come and go as they please

proper raising of animals are good for the soil,plants, humans & my taste buds

 

[ClackamasCootz]

right on coot
yea im not in favor or hear to argue why certain kats do things...,simple answer is ther human

i think the bee and worm thing is pretty ridic,most home bee keepers really dont get much honey and we all should try encouraging wild life...
& worms,lots of bins can be made directly on garden soil & imo the best way to go about..
breed the worms directly in the garden, letting them come and go as they please

proper raising of animals are good for the soil,plants, humans & my taste buds

I was in a discussion with the self-appointed leader of the Oregon vegan group which turned into a debate and finally a loud argument on the whole ' honey bee' deal.

So I says, I did, so if I buy your deal about the honey aspect (exploitation) then what could you possibly have against using Mason bees to improve pollination rates?

"It's the same thing"

 

[Gascanastan]

Only watch this if you love wasting time and feeling ill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoI1dwVZKy8

Burn baby burn....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YH5MEyNuIM

Gascan

 

[SeaMaiden]

I had the opportunity to meet Mr. Cervantes last November, and he's actually a very nice guy.

MM

I think I can explain what they have against honey bees - not what I believe. There seems to be a bit of confusion on cannabis boards that if you explain something then somehow you're advocating it. I'm not.

The Oregon Tilth represents the majority of organic farmers in Oregon and there are a few 'vegan organic' growers in this group. They bring an interesting perspective in a number of areas and basically I only have issues with a few and it starts at their belief that no animal should be used to produce food or other crops.

They include worm bins, bee hives and of course animal manure. But even there they're pretty selective - what if a bird drops a turd on their garden? Has that bird been exploited?

Same deal with honey bees - bees are being exploited for human food production. Okay - so how do they intend to pollinate an orchard? Natural pollinators have a role to play to be sure but without some help the fruit set is dismal.

Then there's their deal about worm bins. Worms are being exploited because you put them into a box and harvest their manure. Sure - why not?

But at the core of their system is what you, CC1, Darc Mind, et al. promote - composted plant material, rock dusts, botanical teas.

Kyle and his partners took a word they didn't understand but it sounds really kewl down in the Mission District and it's 3:00 AM and everyone is playing 'What if we.......?' - ain't exactly science or even interesting - it's a scam pure and simple. True vegan gardening would be way too much work for these children and would require a high school diploma or even a GED perhaps.

CC

It sounds as though they should be Jains, walking around naked and only accepting the food proffered by those they come across.

What about rock dusts that are made from the remains of animals, such as limestone? What about leonardite?

I'm an exploiter.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Or langbeinite, oyster shell powder, gypsum, epsom salts, greensand, etc.

"Heck, my old man said that even I tasted like wild hickory nuts!" - Mrs. Euell Gibbons

 

[VerdantGreen]

It is too bad they tell people not to use peat in that article. The whole unsustainability story of peat harvesting was started by their competition. Of course I don't believe in using it and throwing it out.
.....

i'll say!

in the UK peat use is frowned upon and not considered 'organic' lmao... nearly all the peat in the UK is imported from Ireland where they're still merrily burning it in all their power stations!

VG

 

[SeaMaiden]

Or langbeinite, oyster shell powder, gypsum, epsom salts, greensand, etc.

"Heck, my old man said that even I tasted like wild hickory nuts!" - Mrs. Euell Gibbons

HA! I was raised Stalking the Wild Asparagus, and watched my father almost kill himself sampling the WRONG mushroom (that he was planning on feeding us girls, til Mom came home and forbade it).

Epsom salt...? Can you flesh that one out for me, please? I get the greensand.

Never mind. I just Googled 'how is epsom salt made.' Fascinating!

You are what you eat, and so am I.

 

[dank.frank]

never mind...lol...like Sea...I get it now..



dank.Frank

 

[Gascanastan]

I had the opportunity to meet Mr. Cervantes last November, and he's actually a very nice guy.

So was Ed....nice guy,puffed his noggin good and my only opinion from the encounter was he must be waaaaay too stoned. I get that way myself sometimes.....too stoned to speak...or pass advice/information from an experienced point of view for thousands to digest.

 

[Granger2]

Live and let live. If they want to do it without the use of animal products, and can grow good bud that way, and don't preach to me, it don't make me no le hace. -granger