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This Is How You Kill Powder Mildew Forever!!!!!
- Thread starter krunchbubble
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Has anyone contacted Dow?
I did!
Went straight to the horses mouth.
Here's the e-mail
Is Eagle 20ew safe to use on cannabis sativa? i.e ingested threw smoking? I don't think so. I'm just trying to get my facts straight
Here's the reply
"Thank you for contacting Dow AgroSciences. No, Eagle*20EW is not labeled for marijuana or medical marijuana."
I hope this helps!
So their you have it.
STOP poisoning unknowing people don't use eagle20!
I did!
Went straight to the horses mouth.
Here's the e-mail
Is Eagle 20ew safe to use on cannabis sativa? i.e ingested threw smoking? I don't think so. I'm just trying to get my facts straight
Here's the reply
"Thank you for contacting Dow AgroSciences. No, Eagle*20EW is not labeled for marijuana or medical marijuana."
I hope this helps!
So their you have it.
STOP poisoning unknowing people don't use eagle20!
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187020
I've sniffed worse things...
If you live in the PAC nw and you get cuts from the community you will get PM eventually. The only thing that worked out of all my organic cures was the Eagle20. It works!!! I used in once 2 years ago now, and no more pm. Once and done. SL
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Rolling J Ranch
Member
I don't post here much.But I DO pay attention.
This could be the stupidest post I've read regarding the use of Eagle20.
It might help to be grammatically correct when you communicate with a faceless corporation. It's '...through smoking,' not '...threw smoking.'
More importantly, note that the Dow response did not actually answer the question as asked. You asked if it was '...safe to use' The reply stated it was '...not labeled for...'
You didn't ask about labeling. You asked about safety. Duh!
You might as well have asked, 'Do you walk to school or carry your lunch?'
Did you really think that Dow was going to get anywhere near responding definitively, much less positively to a grammatically deficient question regarding MMJ from an anonymous stoner?
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SeaMaiden
Mendo, in order to understand what they're saying, one must understand labeling laws. What they're saying is 100% true, Eagle 20, NO product in truth of fact, is labeled for use with C. sativa of any variety. I've not even found hemp labeling, with the distinct exception of herbicides (labeling saying that it KILLS something they're calling hemp). We don't want that kind of labeling.
This is a direct result of laws requiring plant listings for labeling, i.e. approved use on/for.
Now, I'm not calling for use of E20, I have other issues with it, nor do I feel that cancer is the worst thing out there. However, I feel it's important to understand, on a factual basis, what they're saying and why.
In other words, we can thank the government for this situation.
What we must do instead is search for corollaries, what would be smoked and treated for stuff like powdery mildew? Tobacco. Do we want to grow in accordance with commercial-scale tobacco cultivation, or do we prefer to grow in accordance with organic standards? Right now there is no other compulsion except ethical to make a decision for organic methods.
As I understand it, there are few to no fungicides approved for use on tobacco. I have been able to find a lot of products labeled for use outside the US, but have to date only found one that's labeled for field use of tobacco in the US. I don't know enough about the situation to make an assessment, or even suggest that my searches or level of information is anything resembling complete. I am only reporting what *I* have found thus far. Ag Streptomycin is the one product I've found labeled for field tobacco.
In the meantime, I treat my smoke like I treat my food, organically, with minimal inputs so as to help close that loop, if you know what I mean.
no you are absolutely wrong
your linking a specimen label not the msds sheet
they are both linked form dow's site:
http://www.cdms.net/manuf/mprod.asp?mp=11&lc=0&ms=3691&manuf=11 look under eagle20
specimen sheet = http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld6DG000.pdf
MSDS = http://www.cdms.net/ldat/mp6DG001.pdf
either your purposely trying to decieve or not capable of even diserning between two different documents
so it woudl seem to come down to dimished capacity or lack of integrity
lol whose calling who a dumbass?
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moodster
i hear if you do a naked street dance under a full moon then powdery mildew goes away LOL one time in veg no problems let the haters hate LOL
Mia
Active member
The MSDS doesn't look bad.
The only thing that is a flag is the naphthalene and all things considered at .2%, sprayed on very young plants, you really think there's going to be an issue months later on completely untreated foliage/flowers?
The half life of naphthalene is very small.
I'm fairly comfortable with it....
The only thing that is a flag is the naphthalene and all things considered at .2%, sprayed on very young plants, you really think there's going to be an issue months later on completely untreated foliage/flowers?
The half life of naphthalene is very small.
I'm fairly comfortable with it....
Can you point out exactly what the problem is?? You have pointed out that he had quoted the wrong Document...but maybe I just have not seen it, but can you tell me how he compromised his integrity??
Other than the normal info on what to do if you have an adverse effect while spraying or handling...I really don't see where it says it is unsafe to use on crops--
he attacked a dude for posting the MSDS and said the information on it REPLACED the information on the MSDS
the real problem is he is SURE its safe yet can't even read a label correctly
if you cant even tell the difference between a label then there isn't a chance your incorrect about the product and its use?
that is the basic point im illustrating
its that simple
and there are 1000s of examples
now lets add some more factors like simply being human
start by reading every post including the ones where people react physically and negatively to the product during application, even anecdotal it isn't benign
now go read the krunchbubbles h202 thread
not trying to crucify him here but case in point, he even got hurt using peroxide. that screams responsible use and application?
not that im saying it shouldn't be using it or that hes a fuck up, same with eclipse or anyone else for that matter, but what other conclusion is there to be made
there are just too many holes in peoples experience, logic and application thereof to tell me that there is a null chance for contamination
as far as the product itself
now if you do a good amount of research (and i posted enough information in the eagle20 cancerous thread) its dangerous in many many ways
AND
hes is the kicker there are no cumulative studies regarding it and other toxins reacting together
so if someone is willing to use this and other products with toxins not only is there no way to test for them we don't know how dangerous the combinations of untested toxins
i could write a few pages on the inherent dangers especially in a closed environment (outdoors on stone fruit and grasses it goes into the water tables, it isn't trapped in closed media)
its really just tip of the iceberg with this
and its a crop worth 1000x - 2000x more per pound than say tomatoes
and if i hadn't been passed cali cuts with the deadly cali pm (whole plant infections literally overnight) and had to deal with it before i wouldn't be so quick to open my mouth
and trust me i saw what it did to everyone's garden, and you know what people in the same circles went to the eagle20 as well
and let's be honest i don't have some personal magic or special powers
in fact i am the laziest slacker there is
if i can manage it who can't?
for me in my experience it comes down to will and desire
and if you look over the forums how many means to an end are their in growing?
i mean really ask yourself, what hasn't been possible?
listen no one falls out of the womb throwing down perfectly but you have to be open to understanding and change if your going to remain progressive and a big part of that is understanding where you may have went wrong and changing it
so the greed lie in those who simply dont care to change and dont want to hear the information because they know if they acknowledge it they will have to
i wont re out those who outed themselves as being that type of grower(in it for the easy money) but once again if you read the posts in these threads you as well as I know they exist
and IMHO this is why there is a real difference between legal and illegal markets
the risk reward ration is worse in an illegal market so those involved are in it for other reason like passion for the weed or medicinal purposes for example
were in the legal markets there are alot of people who have been attracted to the prospect of easy money
not that all growers in those markets should be painted that way, but this can easily be construed as the new cali stereotype simply by reading these forums
i guess robert hunter sums it all up in this one simple line
"is are you kind?"
for me it is its own reward and more profound than anything money could possibly every buy
Get rid of powder mildew by getting rid of all those excess nutes and chemical hype you buy from the grow store and build the health of your plants with organics.. Worm castings or tea from worm castings being the best remedy for powder mildew that I have seen. We load so much shit on our plants that are suppose to produce miraculous results when in truth they get the soil all out of balance. Man will never improve on nature without some underlying consequence down the road. Keep it simple and go organic. Use worm castings for powder mildew issues. Your plants will love you for it. 
Put your faith in mother nature.
Put your faith in mother nature.
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greenmatter
stoners .......
there is more than one way to skin a cat
i love organics but IME they sure as hell don't make your crops immune from PM.
i grow in an area where PM is not a huge problem so i can keep things under control pretty easy, i know E20 is what made it possible to cure the PM last time i lost that control .......... i tried everything else
IMHO if you read the labels, and follow all the directions to the letter, you are probably not going to be spreading cancer any faster the organic green onions spread E coli
on the other hand if you are using this stuff over and over again and pushing the math on when to spray all the time you might want to go with a plan B
there is more than one way to skin a cat
i love organics but IME they sure as hell don't make your crops immune from PM.
i grow in an area where PM is not a huge problem so i can keep things under control pretty easy, i know E20 is what made it possible to cure the PM last time i lost that control .......... i tried everything else
IMHO if you read the labels, and follow all the directions to the letter, you are probably not going to be spreading cancer any faster the organic green onions spread E coli
on the other hand if you are using this stuff over and over again and pushing the math on when to spray all the time you might want to go with a plan B
The point I was trying to make, is that the MSDS does not show that it is a hazard after treatment-- Therefore I didn't get why you said he compromised his integrity--
Your problem with him seems irrelevant to me, since he is posting correct info--
Anyway, not gonna jump in between you guys...not my problem--
However...the MSDS says that their are minor hazards, but only in very high concentrations...and mostly only if you totally fuck up during application--
As far as Toxicology, the few occurrences produced in animals, was also stated that, "Dose levels producing these effects were many times higher than any dose levels expected from exposure due to use."
So, to be real, at 1 ml/gal spray...there is virtually no danger at all, as long as you are using it responsibly...ie: Not spraying in flower--
As has been stated, it's biggest agricultural use by far is on grapes grown for the wine industry...which is highly regulated and monitored...but is acceptable for that-- So, IMHO, it is as safe to use as anything else out there--
Keep in mind, that for most of the ppl that are having problems in getting rid of PM, it is not a 6 plant grow...those are way more easy to keep PM in check without going to these measures--
But for us that are dealing with hundreds of plants...it is virtually impossible to stop PM without using a product like this!!
For instance, as I stated before, we have a 6000 sq ft GH, and have been battling PM for years...this is the only product we have used, that knocked it out!! We used it a li'l over a month ago, have yet to see a return of any significant PM...(I say significant because out of 400 plants, we have found maybe 5 or 6 that had spots on a few inside leaves...but sure that was only because they got missed in spraying--)
Widow Maker
Active member
Used for the first time ever this afternoon. Plants still have 1 week in veg. Mixed up 2ml/Gallon Eagle-20ew, with some AN wet betty. Sprayed right after I shut the lights off and let them sit in the dark for 3 hours before turning lights back on. So far so good, no residue on the leaves, but man does this stuff stink.
I used this as only as a preventative. Last grow I had some mold from clones i got and they almost infected a lot of my room... After the chop I completely scrubbed and sanitized everything in my room. Im keeping fingers crossed for never again!
I used this as only as a preventative. Last grow I had some mold from clones i got and they almost infected a lot of my room... After the chop I completely scrubbed and sanitized everything in my room. Im keeping fingers crossed for never again!
puff adder
Member
If your plants have white PM patches on the leaves, Eagle-20 will NOT cause the white patches to go away like a lot of other treatments.
IME as long as the plants actually got sprayed, the PM IS killed off, even if you still can see white patches.
Spot spraying with hydrogen peroxide will fizzle the white patches away.
IME as long as the plants actually got sprayed, the PM IS killed off, even if you still can see white patches.
Spot spraying with hydrogen peroxide will fizzle the white patches away.
That is absolutely incorrect-- I sprayed 400 plants with it, and 99.9% of all the spots are gone--
