H3ad goes Coco

[FlowerFarmer]

I'm confised with what this conversion equates to. I have a PPM meter that usually reads 650-700 for Veg and 800-1000 for Flower.

If using just Maxibloom, do I need to be using Micro as well in Veg and Flower or at all???

When using MaxiBloom you do not need Micro or anything else.

MaxiBloom at 1 tsp/gal or 7g/gal can take you start to finish successfully. If your burning then you must either be low light conditions or have a very light feeder. Everything I've grown can take 7g/gal under HID lighting.

Maxibloom is a one part though..if 7g/gal is burning just flush and try running it at around 4-5g / gal. In early veg maybe just do 2-3g/gal for the 1st couple days to week.


// You'll have to do some research as to what conversion you pH meter is. Do you know the model number?

Once you know your conversion factor this chart might help make sense of it all. PPM is a very inaccurate way of discussing nutrient strength with others if nobody knows their conversion factor. For instance 1000PPM @.5 = 1400PPM @.7

 

[Caravaggio]

Thanks man. I have an ebay PPM meter, something off brand from China. $15

 

[budrot]

I am following this but I'm becoming confused with regards to the long flush process.

Could you not get away with using something like GH Ripen, or some other type of finishing solution??

Any suggestions will help.

BUDROT

 

[budrot]

anyone?

 

[FlowerFarmer]

I'm confused as to what you mean by long flush process.

When using Head recipe in straight coco (6/9). You simply flush for a week or so with plain water before cutting them down.

Or.. what we do when running blumats is just dwindle our reservoir PPMs gradually over the final weeks.. and then cut em' down.

The key is just to rid the medium of any stored salts as well as remove nutrient so that the plant will cannibalize itself using any stored energy up in its leaves.

I dont do any lengthy flush process and my end result is quality, pungent, and flavorful.

I'm sure using a product like Ripen will do no harm however provided you dont overdo it.. I think you'd still want to flush after using ripen though. Not much info on it, but it appears to just be a late flower additive. Doesnt look much different then just the FloraBloom..maybe a hair more PK.

 

[groady-ho]

i use floranova and flush for the last week to week and 1/2 half.
been told you don't even to flush that long in coco.

 

[budrot]

I'm confused as to what you mean by long flush process.

When using Head recipe in straight coco (6/9). You simply flush for a week or so with plain water before cutting them down.

Or.. what we do when running blumats is just dwindle our reservoir PPMs gradually over the final weeks.. and then cut em' down.

The key is just to rid the medium of any stored salts as well as remove nutrient so that the plant will cannibalize itself using any stored energy up in its leaves.

I dont do any lengthy flush process and my end result is quality, pungent, and flavorful.

I'm sure using a product like Ripen will do no harm however provided you dont overdo it.. I think you'd still want to flush after using ripen though. Not much info on it, but it appears to just be a late flower additive. Doesnt look much different then just the FloraBloom..maybe a hair more PK.

okay,

but i was was worried as h3ad says that he now only feeds 6/9 till week 4, then 6/12 in week 5, after that he just uses 0/9 for a few weeks then flushes with water for another two weeks prior to harvesting.

i obviously don't want to do that so i was seeing what else you could do to flush them without cutting back on the nutes so early.

So its 6/9 all the way with 10-14 days flushing, is there a need for a fushing/forcing solution?

 

[FlowerFarmer]

okay,

but i was was worried as h3ad says that he now only feeds 6/9 till week 4, then 6/12 in week 5, after that he just uses 0/9 for a few weeks then flushes with water for another two weeks prior to harvesting.

i obviously don't want to do that so i was seeing what else you could do to flush them without cutting back on the nutes so early.

So its 6/9 all the way with 10-14 days flushing, is there a need for a fushing/forcing solution?

o - yes - head does cut the micro to cut the N so that the plant fades out and yellows up nicely.

I've always just ran 6/9 until week before harvest and then just water with plain water. The final 3-4 days or so when hand watering I would simply increase the amount of water I was giving them so that I was getting a lot of run-off.

FloraKleen/Clearex might help with the flush, but I have always just used straight RO water.

 

[noworries]

I run 3.5 micro with 11 ml bloom, and 1 ml cal mag per gallon, much higher with micro eagle claws my plants, is this a healthy enough mixture?

 

[budrot]

I run 3.5 micro with 11 ml bloom, and 1 ml cal mag per gallon, much higher with micro eagle claws my plants, is this a healthy enough mixture?

Mine did that, funnily enough they were fine on full strength 0/6/9 from germination to 2 weeks veg. after 2 weeks veg i started seeing clawed leaves and a little burn on the tips of the segments.

I just run the same ration 0/6/9 but mix it to 5l instead of 4.

It's probably the cal/mag throwing you out, i very much doubt you need the extra cal and that could be whats causing an imballance in your solution.

 

[noworries]

Mine did that, funnily enough they were fine on full strength 0/6/9 from germination to 2 weeks veg. after 2 weeks veg i started seeing clawed leaves and a little burn on the tips of the segments.

I just run the same ration 0/6/9 but mix it to 5l instead of 4.

It's probably the cal/mag throwing you out, i very much doubt you need the extra cal and that could be whats causing an imballance in your solution.

I only recently started adding cal mag because I had a magnesium deficiency showing at week 4 of flower, before it was just 3.5 ml micro 10-11 ml bloom per gallon.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Yep.. skip the cal/mag and use epsom.

The nitrogen in the cal/mag reacts with the coco and the other elements in your nute mix.... goal in coco is to keep the nitrogen low.

Epsom is cheaper anyway.

Stay Safe!

 

[noworries]

What happens with nitrogen in coco? im still learning =X

 

[Natagonnaworrie]

I am going to run another coco test... I ran one in the past but i didn't see marked improvement in quality over my soil buds but now I have read everything i can on the topic. The last phase for me is to run this by the experts.



The only thing i am still a little unclear on is the relationship with coco and cal/mag.

Does anyone notice any major issues with this plan:
(IN ADVANCE: I fully appreciate anyone's input)

9 weeks flower
4 ADUBS (Alien Dawg x Sour Dubble) in 5 gal pots under 1k
B'Cuzz coco rinsed well with RO (maybe cut the coco w perlite?)
RO Water only
Heads Formula (GH micro 6ml/gal & GH Bloom 9 ml/gal)
H&G drip clean 1ml / gal
Cal / Mag as needed. Keep it to 2 - 2.5 ml/ gal. I hear coco and cal have a weird thing going on.... (maybe just use epsom salts? never used that before)
SuperThrive. A few drops once in a while.
liquid koolbloom (weeks 4 - 6)
powdered koolbloom (once at week 6)
PH: Fluctuate from 5.6 - 6.2, generally, 5.8
7 - 9 day flush w straight RO

make sure you get reasonable run off.

I am prob going to hand water every morning then, later as they get bigger, set up drippers and a timer to water twice a day. But at first i want to be in there every day. I am not even sure if i should water 2x/day.

Thanks you guys. If i get some good tips here this will be the 1000th time IC has saved me. In return i vow to send some beans to the server fund. And we have some dank strains out here in the San Diego area to make crosses of.



Here is a pic of my soil grown ADUB

 

[lazi]

Hi all, great thread. only up to page 58 so far, so apologies if this had already been covered:

wrt GH in Europe, afaik, all GH 3 part is the same everywhere, it's only the labels that vary. Got told that from the old CW forum, I've been using 0/8/16 in perlite, p/v mix and fytocell with zero problems.


edited for stoner mistakes

 

[Hydro-Soil]

The only thing i am still a little unclear on is the relationship with coco and cal/mag.
---snip---
(maybe just use epsom salts? never used that before)

Apparently coco has an issue with the way it absorbs nitrogen and interferes with the other elements, don't remember about calcium.

Nitrogen is a potency killer and stretchy-leafy bud maker...
If your nutrient profile already has the same or more nitrogen in it than the lucas profile... you'll definitely want to stay away from cal/mag. If you're looking for max potency that is.

Epsom salts... that and making sure you're getting a good pH swing as the coco dries out a bit. Daily hand watering? I'd vary the starting pH between 5.6 and 5.8 occasionally... just be sure you're hitting all the right numbers.

Stay Safe!

 

[korohmnel]

i`m a first time grower and i`m using this formula since the beginning... had some Mg issues too, but Epson Salts works perfectly!

But now that is in 4 week of flower stage, i`m using 0/9. But plant is yellowing very fast!

I think i will add some Micro again, in lower doses... is it right?

 

[puff adder]

Cutting the micro in week 4 is a bit early for me t least. On 8-9 week strains, I usually cut the micro and finish on 0-0-9 from weeks 6-8 then flush from 8-9. Plants yellow up nicely and finish fine.

No micro from week 4, I'd say the plants will still finish, but I might guess that yields might be affected.

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Have you guys ever experienced bud rot from cutting the N too early?

It seems as though if I cut it out too early and my fade/yellowing progresses too fast/too far I can potentially have larger fan leaves die/shed themselves that are protruding out of big flowers. That point where the fan leaf died/dropped seems to be prone to be the starting point for Botrytis.

I've experienced Botrytis even when running 40% humidity in late bloom. I'm unsure if its uneven air circulation in my room but it seems to occur more when I cut my micro early and things yellow too fast/too much.

 

[noworries]

do you guys run exactly 6/9 on most strains or just use it as a baseline for starting?