mycorrhizal fungi as a rooting a powder?

[il19z8rn4li1]

I cant wait to publish my studies :-D With Veggies and Marijuana.

Doing lots of test involving the advancement and recreation
of modern day "farming" practices.

Its gonna be about another year till i can feel comfy with my information.

Mushrooms and and Plants growing together is a MUST if you want
the best of the best... add a small mercury vapor bulb....and your pretty
close to achieving the best plant health possible :-D

 

[plastochron]

What type of mushrooms are you intercropping with? Any pics or previews of your findings?

 

[il19z8rn4li1]

Im am working on dialing in ORGANIC HYDROPONICS... similar of what
has already been done with Oragnic Hydro... but just with my added tweek to it.

See I like to research a lot.. and then research my research lol... ultimately what I
end up doing is finding someone that has already done something
that I have been planning or researching to do.. so then in turn i can research them... get up to speed from what their data and then BUILD on it making it even better...

you can always make someones work better..as I know someone can do the same to my work.

enough babbling lol.

I have been working with following specific edibles
-Morchellas
-Shiitakes
-Reishis
-oysters

What I do is grow the latter 3 isolated from each other...
BUT the Morels are paired up with everyone.. aka the "whore"

So in a single "setup" you got you
-Plant
-mycorrhizal fungi
-saprotrophic fungi
-microbes, beneficial bacteria

All aspects are maintained and somewhat controlled...
but are allowed to FLOURISH at THEIR pace... and their pace
is limited to their ability to uptake and utilize water and food.
You figure out how to enhance those aspects ORGANICALLY... naturally,
work WITH mother nature not trying to "CONTROL" her fully,
you end up with the greatest of the great :-D

Im pretty close hehe its pretty intense.

 

[mad librettist]

those saprobes you listed won't be compatible with arbuscular mycorrhizae. they would be in direct competition. the oyster will also tilt the system away from bacterial dominance we are after for cannabis, partly by killing bacteria for N.

the concept is great, but the partner fungi whould be something like the "garden oyster" stamets sells.

 

[plastochron]

ML-

what is your logic/evidence behind the saprophytes being in direct competition the the AM? Do you mean that the saprophytes are going to increase the rate of root decomposition so that the AM have less substrate to infect to acquire photosynthate? Also what is the logic/evidence of oyster shell altering the microbial community in a negative manner? Is it related to the rise in pH, residual NaCl, or overabundance of Ca^2+? I would definitely appreciate links or attachments to publications. Also if you know of some publications that you do not have access to online, post the article names or links here and I can access and post them.

 

[il19z8rn4li1]

we'll see my friend.. what have you tried?

how do you know that isnt the oyster im talking about..
how do you know that I havent already accounted for specific nutritional needs, like or different.

but i believe I did say i wasnt going to go into that much detail YET...dont feel like
publishing anything just yet, to many talk jive with unfinished works...

ill just wait so then I can simply say .."here just LOOK, ive already done this" ;-)

cheers until next time

 

[mad librettist]

ML-

what is your logic/evidence behind the saprophytes being in direct competition the the AM? Do you mean that the saprophytes are going to increase the rate of root decomposition so that the AM have less substrate to infect to acquire photosynthate? Also what is the logic/evidence of oyster shell altering the microbial community in a negative manner? Is it related to the rise in pH, residual NaCl, or overabundance of Ca^2+? I would definitely appreciate links or attachments to publications. Also if you know of some publications that you do not have access to online, post the article names or links here and I can access and post them.

we were talking oyster mushroom, not oyster the bivalve.

Oysters are there to decompose dead heartwood. They not only compete with bacteria, they actively eat them for N. Oysters also put out sticky traps for catching nematodes.

Oysters decompose dead/dying trees. they don't grow with plants in nature.

 

[mad librettist]

we'll see my friend.. what have you tried?

how do you know that isnt the oyster im talking about..
how do you know that I havent already accounted for specific nutritional needs, like or different.

but i believe I did say i wasnt going to go into that much detail YET...dont feel like
publishing anything just yet, to many talk jive with unfinished works...

ill just wait so then I can simply say .."here just LOOK, ive already done this" ;-)

cheers until next time

I know which oyster you are talking about because you listed it along with the other wood-decomposing mushrooms you are growing. You can always tell us though - what species are you growing?


For growing in the same environment as cannabis, try Coprinus comatus (shaggy mane), Stropharia rugosuannulata (wine caps), or Hypsizigus ulmarius (garden oyster).

You can order all three from fungiperfecti.


If you are actually making use of AM fungi though, and we are talking containers, it's going to be very difficult to give all the fungi the room they need. If using wood decomposers you also need to remember they need lots of N to do their jobs.

I would consider a two stage system, first using bioremediation via mushrooms, then using the leftovers to help grow cannabis. If you also keep a living mulch (impossible in hydro I guess), you will have a nice layer of dead material for mycelia.

 

[mad librettist]

what is your logic/evidence behind the saprophytes being in direct competition the the AM?

It's a simple question of limited resources and suitable environment.

The AM fungi are masters of the soil. They decide which bacteria grow, organize a hierarchy of soil aggregates (using glomulin), and regulate nutrient availability and pH.

The saprobes you listed decompose dead wood and leaves. They influence the soil by eating everything and using acids to do it. They keep forests alive by removing dead wood and making the soil suitable for the next tree.

AM fungi, on the other hand, are allies of grassland plants for the most part (some trees like maples excepted).

If I wanted to incorporate those fungi you listed into a system, it would be based on trees and not at all a "garden" environment.

 

[il19z8rn4li1]

My garden environment isnt at all an environment you got in mind :-D

It will be ready to share to everyone when its ready..going to leave it at that.

 

[mad librettist]

"garden environment" doesn't refer to your garden per se. it means a very rich soil, compared to grassland or farm field. It means, basically, soil suitable for veggies (and cannabis, by the way).

I have no clue what your environment is, but like I said, those fungi you listed don't tend to grow around veggies.

 

[il19z8rn4li1]

I feel what your throwing down my friend.

But like I said for the sake of my work and the sake of
everyone getting a headache because they dont understand
what it was that I have done fully....I will have to wait
before I talk more about it, it needs to be clear and complete...
and I want to have MULTIPLE runs through it... TO SCALE...
So I dont plan on doing a little room in my house..

I plan on doing it outside in controlled greenhouse. EXTREME
engineered greenhouse :-D to be more accurate is more closely
a Bio Dome lol (great movie btw)


I have read almost all of Paul Stamets work and am pretty up to date on what
he's been doing and what not. But my research and study of course hasnt been
limited to Stamets.

Also, I know this is a MJ thread....but you cant limit this to Cannabis, technically
my work is more so driving toward food production on mass scale.

I have already successfully grown over 1900 POUNDS of tomatoes from
a single raised beds thats 8feet x 4feet x 3feet high, thats right :-D That #
has been rising for the past 4 years also.

It sucks though because for the last 5 years my research and work has been limited
to the speed of the seasons... this is why I am building a greenhouse now to
eliminate the elements...yet still utilize them ;-)


I cant limit myself to just reading.. I have to actually do things also.. and usualyl when someone tells me I cant do something or something doesnt sound right with what I am doing, its usually because they dont know the full story because I havent told them yet ;-)

Cheers my friend.
Just send good energy my way and Ill finish this shit already and share it with everyone
for FREE !!! yes thats right all my hard work and sweat im going to give away for FREE!!!
Why? Because this damn world needs FOOD ABUNDANCE already... its 90 years past due.

 

[mad librettist]

best of luck then!


I still would say, play around with a litter decomposer other than the morels. maybe Clitocybe nuda?


I've also had good luck with humus rich environments and some unidentified Coprinus. to be exact, I had inky caps coming up regularly in my worm bin. They helped break down small animal bedding.

 

[bonghopper]

Having really good results with stropharia rugosa annulata (garden giants) as decomposers. These are traditionally grown with sweetcorn in Hungary with woodchip. Apparently according to Stamets, the sweetcorn needs 40% less nitrogen when these mushrooms are growing with them.

 

[RetroGrow]

Both Miracle Grow & Foxfarms have seed starter mix with mycorrhizal fungi. Plants are inoculated as soon as they germinate. This is the best way to start seeds in my experience.

 

[il19z8rn4li1]

Having really good results with stropharia rugosa annulata (garden giants) as decomposers. These are traditionally grown with sweetcorn in Hungary with woodchip. Apparently according to Stamets, the sweetcorn needs 40% less nitrogen when these mushrooms are growing with them.

^^^^^ +1

 

[Folate]

Good read. Gonna have to look into this. Thank you.

 

[DinosaurCocks]

ive been doing some talking with the guys at Supreme Growers, a company that specializes in myco products...they have done several side by side experiments using mycorhizoa not as a dip but to soak the root riot cubes in before hand, cuttings lived very significantly longer than ones given no beneficial bacteria...science says it works, but i wouldn't think it would be especially effective as a dip, since the dip does slightly different things...i'ts supposed to keep the end from drying out for one, to keep air from getting up in the stem, powdered myco wouldn't do much for that, and it wouldn't have any rooting hormones like good cloning gels...

i would say your best bet is to do it with cloning gel but to soak your cube in myco...

however, as i was scrolling through Supreme Growers facebook page to find the pics of their side by side clone experiments i was speaking of i found this recent post, which seems to prove me wrong and the op right.

Had several gardeners tell me how they use MycoBlast Mycorrhizae, One of my best growers told me he is having amazing success by rolling his clones in the dry powder with no water used whatsoever. It works awesome! Give it a try and let us know what you think.

 

[Inspired333]

Hey guys,

I got some "myco grow soluble" I believe it's called, from fungi dot com (who I think I've found is supplied by premiertech as they make "one of the best mycorrhizae" around..grain of salt).

Anyway, I bought it for making EWC tea to apply in DWC in case of root slime, or just because plants love it.

I had some questions for fungi dot com. Here is what they replied:

"...thanks for writing in & getting in touch. To answer your questions---

Can I apply this mycorrhizae in a foliar spray somehow (On the leaves and stem. Or the base of the plant)? What application rate if so?
Wouldn't recommend it. (See response below.)

Would foliar spray be beneficial at all (because there's no contact with the root zone)?
It'd be a waste of product to use it in a foliar spray. The powder are spores of mycorrhizal fungi that need direct contact with root exudates to be of benefit. It's a root inoculum.

Would it have to be "brewed/bred" to be usefully in any manner at all (like fed with sugar/molasses).
Nope! It just needs contact with plant roots. Brewing it would not have an effect on it.

Hydrogen peroxide can not be used at all with these products is that right? And must de-chlorinate water as well?
H2O2 & chlorine wouldn't afffect the mycorrhizae so much, but it might harm the Bacillus/Trichoderma/Paenibacillus Azotobacter species.

I've also attached the MycoGrow Soluble spec sheet, which has some more information on application rates. I've also attached an article on hydroponic cultivation with mycorrhizae.

If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask!..."

I asked about foliar because I've read a myco foliar spray can help/kill powdery mildew (I've never had it, but ya know).
I asked about brewing/molasses because I wondered if the mycos needed it as well or just the bacteria n stuff in the EWC.

The list of species of bacteria, fungi, etc in this particular brand is pretty damn vast. Check the list on their site if you wish.

I'm also interested in it's use for cloning/roots but yes, they require roots to really do anything as far as I understand. But that said, it wont hurt for them to be present for when the roots emerge..? I've heard of people doing their root riot/rockwool cube presoak (for clones OR seed) using some great white or similar in the mix.

Just thought I'd try and add some info.

Thanks,

Peace.

[edit - dat screen-name ^ hah]