Load a spent shell ? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. Fuck that less than lethal shit also. Both are good ways to get yourself killed. If you need to pull out a gun for defense you should be prepared to use it.
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Attempted Home Invasion last saturday
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Load a spent shell ? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. Fuck that less than lethal shit also. Both are good ways to get yourself killed. If you need to pull out a gun for defense you should be prepared to use it.
serious6
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ever been hit by a rubber bullet? i have and got 2 broken ribs, a massive bruise on my back and a headache for 4 days. all because some stupid cop fired into a crowd of marijuana protesters at a rally in calgary alberta canada. what you gonna do if you accidently blow your newspaper boy away? those things can KILL. get a tazer, a drop net, there is a thousand ways to protect yourself without using killing tools.
talk tough on a keyboard, real life is different and a kill is something you will never forget; EVER! how does 25 years to life sound to you? federal time! LEO will come and you loose anyway as your neighbours will report the gunfire.
talk tough on a keyboard, real life is different and a kill is something you will never forget; EVER! how does 25 years to life sound to you? federal time! LEO will come and you loose anyway as your neighbours will report the gunfire.
Where I live I can shoot all day long without being bothered, and pretty much every weekend during the summer one of my neighbors rocks out with full auto. In addition my state has a castle doctrine that allows you to defend you and your home with lethal force if there is an intruder in your home and you feel threatened.
Its more than talking tough....Firing warning shots, using less than lethal ammunition, loading spent shells etc. is an easy way to get yourself killed. That one shot you fire as a warning shot may be the only shot you get off before your gun jams...than what? When you get to that 3rd round in your shotgun that is empty, and the gun goes click and the bad guy is 5 feet away from you and rushes you than what? In your panicked state will you have time to chamber a round? What if the invader is a tweaked out meth/PCP head who breaks into your home with a knife, and not even a tazer from a cop is enough to bring him down ? If a tazer wont chances are rubber bullets wont either. This happened recently in my state by the way.
Bottom line is you either need to defend yourself or you don't. All this talk about using non-lethal force is fantasy. If you think you are in enough trouble that you need to get your gun out than your best bet is to use it with deadly force in mind while you have the chance.
As for the comment about " material possessions is not worth taking someones life over" I agree with that statement but the problem is that if I wake up in the middle of the night and someone is in my house how do I know that they are there to just take my stuff and wont cause harm to me or loved ones ?
Oh I know..."Mr. Robber, are you here to just steal my sons x-box or are you here to steal his x-box AND rape my wife and daughter while I watch and than burn my house down?"
Right...You don't know their intent for sure...
If someone is dumb enough to enter my house while I am there I call that "darwinism"...and for you guys that talk about using less than lethal force, I call that "darwinism" also.
EDIT: Id also gladly spend 25 to life in prison if it meant sparing my family members from being raped and or killed.
i think that over here in the uk, our legal system seems to be following the us in that recently a number of people have killed home invaders or those attempting to rob there shops and have faced no charges whatsoever, we have even adopted the term "home invasion" instead of burglery, if i faced a home invasion scenario then i will show no mercy to those that attempt to hurt my loved ones or steal whatever, a sawn off shotgun and if needed i would do the time in a second, home invasion in any way,shape or form is unacceptable, and those that make a living outof robbing our homes should be shown no mercy, peace and safe growing 944s2
serious6
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yes, i would have to agree with several posters in this thread that using lethal force to protect the family is correct! 5 years ago in good old canada where firearms are not permitted; i had my door kicked in by the rcmp who were acting on old information. at 1 point in my life i was a licenced medical marijuana grower and supplied; as a caregiver, to several people and clubs. the first man through the door got hot water and the second got a steel baseball bat end to the face. then i got tazered, ever stand in water and touch a 12v battery; NOT enjoyable. i guess it depends on where you live and what the circumstances are. i live in a rural setting so im fairly protected in a gated community now. my mmj was grown outdoor and only veg'ed indoor, then hardened for the outdoors, drying and curing was indoor as well.
it depends on the criminal element in your area, the type of country you live in and what is prompting "the invasion". so let me say "shoot first and answer later" is a very good idea.
it depends on the criminal element in your area, the type of country you live in and what is prompting "the invasion". so let me say "shoot first and answer later" is a very good idea.
on top of a generally bad attitude mtbazz has missed the boat on this one completely, I was discussing going on the offensive w/rubber shot as a deterrent for OUTSIDE interlopers in having them on the run and throwing a couple of harmless shots past them as a warning to not return. AGAIN I REPEAT they wouldn't know it was rubber shot but they'd damn well know I was firing a 12 gauge their way.
btw we weren't discussing people in the house, we were discussing people outside where you DO NOT have the right to fire lead bullets at them. stroke.
in an attempt to have his way with my words mtbazz has taken the situation completely out of context & moved the scenario into his house but STILL using my outside deterrent method of chasing away a thief. I ain't buyin' bazz. I didn't tell anyone to try to defend his family with rubber bullets in his house, don't try inferring that I did.
If someone enters my house they do not get rubber shot, I have several hidden pistols in my crib.
yeah, what if?
what if...
what if...
that's the real question.
what if...
what if...
that's the real question.
Here where I live and I know in most other places you cannot use deadly force to protect "things". I wouldnt anyhow. "Things" are replaceable.
Human life however , is not.
I am allowed to protect my and others lives. I need to be "in fear for my or anothers life" as it is put .
That means I cant shoot someone in my driveway or back yard or even on my front stoop.
They need to be in my home or attempting to break in.
Anyone who invades someone's home when they know there is a good chance someone is in there has made a decision that requires them to have a plan should they confront an occupant. Chances are that plan includes some sort of harm will be involved. I am not required to determine the degree of harm they plan. All I need to know is that they are in my home and the very nature of their being there indicates they plan some sort of "harm".
I hear someone IN my home or smashing the door to get in .
BANG.
Legal shoot.
I also have the option of not shooting at all. If its just some punk kid with no weapon that gives up as soon as they see Mr. 1100 looking at them I have no reason to shoot. Ill hold them there until the clean up crew in blue shows up.
If I see someone breaking into my car outside in the middle of the night, I cannot and would not fire a single shot. I would be the one in trouble for doing so. Even for a "warning" shot. If they turn around and brandish a firearm or take a shot at me, game on. They have escalated the situation to a point where I may be "in fear for my life". Once again, BANG. Legal shoot.
If Im carrying and I am in a convenience store and the guy at the register suddenly pulls a gun and holds the place up, as a legal carrier I can legally shoot him. The nature of the crime puts my and everyone elses lives in danger.
If I see a guy breaking into a vehicle and he isnt doing anything that would cause someone harm, Im not drawing my gun like Deputy Dog in an attempt to be a good citizen and hold him there for the popo. That's their job. The most Im doing is taking mental notes that would help the popo catch the dirtbag after I call them and let them know what is going on and what Ive seen.
Ill let a little secret out here.
My brother was the victim of a home invasion years ago. He lives in a city that makes it very difficult for someone to own a firearm. He and a friend were in his home minding their own business watching TV.
Next thing they know two people kicked their door in and attacked them. One guy held them at gunpoint while another ransacked the apartment. When they were done they made my brother and his buddy lay on the floor. Shitbag #1 put his cheap ass .25 caliber pistol to my brother's friend's head and pulled the trigger and killed him. My brother begged for his life. While he was doing that the perps heard someone outside and ran off. He managed to live by chance.
Anyone who says that people have no right to protect themselves can eat shit, as far as Im concerned. You have absolutely no right to deny another their right of self defense.
Bad things happen to good people.
If you want to go through life like a sheep and at the mercy of every wolf that may want to bite you, go ahead. Your choice.
Me, Im no sheep. Im not a wolf either.
Nowadays, I consider myself to be a sheepdog. Ready for the wolves and protecting my "flock".
Human life however , is not.
I am allowed to protect my and others lives. I need to be "in fear for my or anothers life" as it is put .
That means I cant shoot someone in my driveway or back yard or even on my front stoop.
They need to be in my home or attempting to break in.
Anyone who invades someone's home when they know there is a good chance someone is in there has made a decision that requires them to have a plan should they confront an occupant. Chances are that plan includes some sort of harm will be involved. I am not required to determine the degree of harm they plan. All I need to know is that they are in my home and the very nature of their being there indicates they plan some sort of "harm".
I hear someone IN my home or smashing the door to get in .
BANG.
Legal shoot.
I also have the option of not shooting at all. If its just some punk kid with no weapon that gives up as soon as they see Mr. 1100 looking at them I have no reason to shoot. Ill hold them there until the clean up crew in blue shows up.
If I see someone breaking into my car outside in the middle of the night, I cannot and would not fire a single shot. I would be the one in trouble for doing so. Even for a "warning" shot. If they turn around and brandish a firearm or take a shot at me, game on. They have escalated the situation to a point where I may be "in fear for my life". Once again, BANG. Legal shoot.
If Im carrying and I am in a convenience store and the guy at the register suddenly pulls a gun and holds the place up, as a legal carrier I can legally shoot him. The nature of the crime puts my and everyone elses lives in danger.
If I see a guy breaking into a vehicle and he isnt doing anything that would cause someone harm, Im not drawing my gun like Deputy Dog in an attempt to be a good citizen and hold him there for the popo. That's their job. The most Im doing is taking mental notes that would help the popo catch the dirtbag after I call them and let them know what is going on and what Ive seen.
Ill let a little secret out here.
My brother was the victim of a home invasion years ago. He lives in a city that makes it very difficult for someone to own a firearm. He and a friend were in his home minding their own business watching TV.
Next thing they know two people kicked their door in and attacked them. One guy held them at gunpoint while another ransacked the apartment. When they were done they made my brother and his buddy lay on the floor. Shitbag #1 put his cheap ass .25 caliber pistol to my brother's friend's head and pulled the trigger and killed him. My brother begged for his life. While he was doing that the perps heard someone outside and ran off. He managed to live by chance.
Anyone who says that people have no right to protect themselves can eat shit, as far as Im concerned. You have absolutely no right to deny another their right of self defense.
Bad things happen to good people.
If you want to go through life like a sheep and at the mercy of every wolf that may want to bite you, go ahead. Your choice.
Me, Im no sheep. Im not a wolf either.
Nowadays, I consider myself to be a sheepdog. Ready for the wolves and protecting my "flock".
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BrnCow
Wanna make it rain on that snitch that caused me and others such grief?
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BrnCow
Was that a rubber bullet or rubber buckshot? I used to hang out in grade/high school with a red headed nut that would shoot the farmers cow in the ass with a shotgun and bird shot. I didn't seem to hurt them but they bucked when it hit them. Naturally, I parted company with him real fast.I was thinking of the sting factor.
No one with any sense wants to kill a person except in self defense where they fear their lives. But there seems to be many dumb asses out here because they do it every day all over the world. These are the people we look over our shoulders for after leaving the ATM with money. Chris Rock has a particular name for them. And they come in all colors. And for some of them there is only two answers - you or them. And memory or not, if it has to be done it has to be done. You can sacrifice yourself. Come to my square and try that shit and you might be a dead redneck. And although I would regret having to do it, I would sleep well after a few days of grief to get myself centered again. I hope to never have to do that to anyone in my lifetime. I prefer to die a virgin on the kill a human thing...and so far - I am!
We think that someone tried breaking into our home a couple of winters ago. He/they got as far as trying to cut our fence - fresh footprints leading up to it from the road, etc. Our cats noticed this first, followed by the dogs sounding a warning. If you have dogs, you know the kind of bark I'm talking about. At that point we opened the back door and unleashed the dogs (80-100lb Pit mixes). No sign of trouble since.
Simon
Simon
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Glad you are ok......
It happened to me 2 years ago so tighten up security any way you can.
God Bless
It happened to me 2 years ago so tighten up security any way you can.
God Bless
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Glad you are ok......
It happened to me 2 years ago so tighten up security any way you can.
God Bless
It happened to me 2 years ago so tighten up security any way you can.
God Bless
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I live twenty five mins before a leo could show up. I will not chance my family's safety.first the two german shephards,then the weapons,no mercy.always keep a throw away just in case you need it.I fear my life was in danger and used excess force.times are getting worse everywhere,people will get desparate.happy trails................................
Look nobody in this thread has said people can't own a gun to protect themselves and/or thier family. What has been said are alternative stratagies that are effective and don't require anyone getting killed. Now what started this intially was a suggestion to load a gun with both lethal ammo and non lethal ammo and maybe a blank to seperate the two for people who might forget where the non lethal ends and the lethal begins. Now I do agree that is foolish, not only because it can slow one down at a time when the fastest one lives but also because if you're brandishing a gun and can't keep track of your shots then maybe owning a gun is not such a good idea for you? A better stratagy in my opinion is that if you want two different kinds of defense for outdoor vs indoor then you should have two different guns one for the outdoor stratagy and one for the indoor. My main point has been that if you're growing marijuana illegally then having a gun on the property is a bad idea. Sure one can imagine all sorts of dire scenarios where having a gun could make a difference but the truth is, very few people ever face such a situation and most of the ones that do, do so because they helped to instigate it. That's irrelevent though because if you get busted you'll go to prison for alot longer if you have a gun on the property and while it might sound impressive to say you'd rather go to prison for 25 years then not be able to protect your family how you going to protect your family the 25 years you're sitting in a cell?
I do agree though if you are going to go the gun route which is your right in many countries then do so smartly and responsibly. Know how to use your weapon and how to maintain it.
I do agree though if you are going to go the gun route which is your right in many countries then do so smartly and responsibly. Know how to use your weapon and how to maintain it.
I keep some of Wifey's muffins at hand for self defense.
Lethal weapons.
Lethal weapons.
True that...unless you intend to kill someone, that firearm shouldn't ever leave its safe...
I don't carry my .45 with rubber rounds because if I ever draw it I intend to eliminate whatever threat has caused me to do so, not piss them off and give them an opportunity to shoot me instead.
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i read the first post. First thing that came to mind is that is NOT a home invasion. Home invasion is where they bust down your door with ski masks on n guns in hand. yoou basically got robbed while you were home. Sucks but way better then a home invasion.
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