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[bobblehead]

You'll hit the mark soon bro just stick at it and you'll prevail!

Did you orders your from ebay? They came directly from China?


HGO

The bonsai hero comes from Holland when u order from their website... But the power supply came from an ebay vendor in China. I get a lot of cheap electronics that way... Domestically a 12v power supply would cost at least double, and the bonsai hero people charge like $80.

 

[DHF]

I think I`d go with the 10 KW when yas can put it in the budget , and possibly just keep the place till yas shut down when yas graduate.......and still....

Run somethin legal in town for LEO to audit when the time comes , but do what yas think`s best Bro....

Straw DD nerf footballs.....gotta luv it....

Peace....Freds........

 

[BldSwtTrs]

Bobs, good idea on the backup generator. I have been doing some research into this lately too. Luckily I have never had a devastating power outage, but you never know...

My question is... does anybody know much about running these generators for prolonged periods of time? I am wondering about running one of these to ease the load on my main breaker and cut down on my kwh... From the research I have done it seems the gas generators need to be serviced every 100 or 200 hours which would be too often for them to function as permanent relief.

Looked into diesel generators running with yacht batteries too, but was uncertain whether I could make this sort of setup work either. I guess more research is necessary...

Let me know what ya think...

 

[DHF]

So Ushio bulbs are brighter/more lumens than EYE Horti`s ?......and the greenpower`s also huh .....Always used the pkg deals from MDHydro and the bulbs were 65 bucks , but those lucalox you got for 30 are comparable lumenwise ?.....

Always thought and heard the horti`s were top of the line..Oh well....live and learn....

Let us know whatchas find out with yer new toy in the upcoming months Bro....and...

As far as constant power generators BST.....The diesel`s with battery backup are the only units that`ll function for grow ops without power surges and irregular amperage output , but at 4 bucks a gal for even "farm" grade diesel it ain`t cost effective fer shit.....trust me....

LP/NG Generac`s are for emergency power to run everything exactly as if the power never went off until it comes back on , and being a Homebuilder for over 30 yrs the Generac`s are by far the industry standard that most of my high dollar clients have always used with a few choosing Onan`s for higher wattage/amperage draw..........

Straw DD nerf footballs..still droolin....Goin long on a post pattern Bobbles....Hit me in the end zone....

Peace...Freds..........

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Your going to need some bigger jars bobble..

 

[Treebeard]

Awesome thread Bobble. I'm also in Northern MI and just got power back last night 10 minutes before scheduled lights on. What a relief. Got down to 42 degrees in the house. I'm doing some research on Listeroid type diesel generators. There's a cool video on 'tube if you search for "lister cs listeroid". They seem pretty easy to build and are super reliable.

I'm growing in a PPK, a wick system with automated top watering....very reliable and very low maintenance. Thought about the Bluemats, but after a bunch of reading liked the benefits of the PPK more.

I've got 3k in a stadium now and I'm already planning the next grow moving towards maximum efficiency. So I'm planning on hanging around in the vert section a bit more. Will be running Gavitas for sure, and have a couple of different ideas for the set-up.

Great harvest man!

 

[bobblehead]

So Ushio bulbs are brighter/more lumens than EYE Horti`s ?......and the greenpower`s also huh .....Always used the pkg deals from MDHydro and the bulbs were 65 bucks , but those lucalox you got for 30 are comparable lumenwise ?.....

Always thought and heard the horti`s were top of the line..Oh well....live and learn....

Let us know whatchas find out with yer new toy in the upcoming months Bro....and...

As far as constant power generators BST.....The diesel`s with battery backup are the only units that`ll function for grow ops without power surges and irregular amperage output , but at 4 bucks a gal for even "farm" grade diesel it ain`t cost effective fer shit.....trust me....

LP/NG Generac`s are for emergency power to run everything exactly as if the power never went off until it comes back on , and being a Homebuilder for over 30 yrs the Generac`s are by far the industry standard that most of my high dollar clients have always used with a few choosing Onan`s for higher wattage/amperage draw..........

Straw DD nerf footballs..still droolin....Goin long on a post pattern Bobbles....Hit me in the end zone....

Peace...Freds..........

We got the lamp ordeal cleared up already... I guess Hortis are better than Ushio after all...

As far as the generator goes... I agree about the 10K unit, cause it's better to have too much than too little... but is this something I can do or do I need to hire an electrician? Luckily my fuse box is in the garage, so there's no need for anyone to go inside the house... I'm gonna have to buy a propane tank as well, and fill that bitch up. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ This is gonna happen a few more times this year alone. I'm gonna get on this generator like in the next 2 weeks. I can't afford to play games and wait with this. I just got my water back, and now the pipes have to be frozen again.

Bobs, good idea on the backup generator. I have been doing some research into this lately too. Luckily I have never had a devastating power outage, but you never know...

My question is... does anybody know much about running these generators for prolonged periods of time? I am wondering about running one of these to ease the load on my main breaker and cut down on my kwh... From the research I have done it seems the gas generators need to be serviced every 100 or 200 hours which would be too often for them to function as permanent relief.

Looked into diesel generators running with yacht batteries too, but was uncertain whether I could make this sort of setup work either. I guess more research is necessary...

Let me know what ya think...

bro... forget about running a grow on a generator. It's a very expensive way of obtaining your electricity... Just pay the bill. 6.4kW of light isn't that much...

I would think you'd definitely want a standby generator running pure hydro... Especially in your summer heat. Yikes...

Your going to need some bigger jars bobble..

ha ha... Thanks. I was falling out of my chair laughing while I was trimming b/c of how ridiculously large the buds finished. I can't wait for a good run!

Awesome thread Bobble. I'm also in Northern MI and just got power back last night 10 minutes before scheduled lights on. What a relief. Got down to 42 degrees in the house. I'm doing some research on Listeroid type diesel generators. There's a cool video on 'tube if you search for "lister cs listeroid". They seem pretty easy to build and are super reliable.

I'm growing in a PPK, a wick system with automated top watering....very reliable and very low maintenance. Thought about the Bluemats, but after a bunch of reading liked the benefits of the PPK more.

I've got 3k in a stadium now and I'm already planning the next grow moving towards maximum efficiency. So I'm planning on hanging around in the vert section a bit more. Will be running Gavitas for sure, and have a couple of different ideas for the set-up.

Great harvest man!

First of all, welcome aboard!

I appreciate the tip... But $3k for the genny and probably another $2k later and I can have something reliable, built specifically for what I need... I won't be around to push any buttons. I'm gonna be sitting in school, hopefully meeting a few girls... but I can't do that w/o piece of mind, ya know? What's $5k? No gf or kid to take care of here... and I can't smoke all that Straw DD... No matter how hard I try. lol...

This grow is gonna be sweet by the time I finish getting everything figured out...

 

[DHF]

Ok....Not sure bout up yonder above the Mason-Dixon line bout propane tanks and how or what code is to hook the gas up to the Generac , meaning do ya`ll s tanks haveta be buried to prevent freezing , or do they stay above ground and have some type additive to prevent shit from freezin......

All LP tanks are above ground down here and the copper lines haveta be sleeved and encased underground till they hook up to said generator , and that requires a certified gasfitter/plumber and electrician to tie it into the Main panel or combined Breaker/Meter box.......

Yas needta know local restrictions or codes for havin such shit done at the crib as to whether or not yas gotta pull a permit as the homeowner as well as the plumber/gasfitter and electrician pullin permits for doin the work AND buyin local licenses to cover their ass......ONLY... if yer shit requires an inspection after being installed and that could present a problem....Let`s hope not....

If yas can`t slide it in under the table and get somebody local to bootleg it and get er done.....many waysta skin a mule....Just make sure what`s hooked up between propane tank and generator are well taken care of cuz that fukin gas explodes if anything static electricity wise gets to it and or the electrical part of the generator wasn`t grounded properly with ground rods driven in the ground.....

Lookin out fer my buddy...Handle it when budget provides...

Peace....Freds.......

 

[Ichabod Crane]

For that generator you will need it to be grid tied. This will need to have a inspection. If it is not done correctly you will electrocute a line man when they repair your line if it goes down. It is beyond me but you can do it as the home owner.

The inspector does not need to see in the house only where you tie into the grid and your power panel. I believe that the gas supplier can do the hook up for you on the propane tank.

I am lucky that my power did not go out. 2/3's of the people who have my power company lost their power. On the way home I saw 4 power trucks at the shell station, 12 more next door at Applebee's, and another 9 at the motel next to Applebee's. I saw another 7 tree trimming trucks about the same time. All Friday night my lights were flickering as people lost power. I was afraid to turn on the computer because I thought I would get a surge. 79,000 people lost power in my county, and we only have about 100,000. They are telling people that we may still lose power when the snow starts to melt in the next couple days. Glad I don't have anything in flower right now. I will later this week.

The pictures look great and I can't wait to get the plants you gave me into flower. I will see how bad I grow then I guess.

 

[Vic Hammer]

Yep, what Ichabod said.

To have the genset work automatically you will need it tied to your electric panel with a transfer switch. The transfer switch will isolate your genset from the mains when it is operating. This way no electrocution of lineman because your power can't flow back into the grid. Smart money is to use an electrician.

As for the propane you'll need a plumber, or the gas co. will do it. They may require you to contract with them for service. They will not just hook up to some sketchy gas lines.

Good luck, that's alot of tradesman. Gensets are best installed first.

But, if you want to do a manual thing you don't need to tie the genset through your electric panel. That does destroy the absentee thing though. May be the best/safest option.

 

[bobblehead]

Thanks guys.

DHF- We don't bury our propane tanks. I don't know about antifreeze and all that... But it's common to have the tanks above ground. Even the supplier has their giant tanks above ground from what I've seen.

Ichabod- I have a USD crop half way through flower... It's already stunted though, and the buds aren't big enough to worry about mold from humidity. I don't want this happening with 4 flower rooms and a veg room hoonin.

Vic- I was thinking that I needed to get the gas first, so thanks! I'll have the generator installed first.




I happen to know a plumber/electrician I might be able to contract for this job to get it done under the table... Thanks for letting me know that they'll only need to inspect the panel. Now is the time to do this, with only 2 rooms of plants... It's looking like it might cost me closer to $6k when it's all said and done. Sounds like a small investment to ensure steady crops in the future. I just wish I didn't keep finding so many ways to spend my money. This place is gonna make a hella-nice lake house one day...

 

[megayields]

"veg room hoonin" hmm I see DHF has influenced your speech!

This thread is nothing without so get to it...

On Genset's/generators, the single guy who taught me more than anyone else about growing AND was a very good friend until he was taken over to his hard drug addictions and became someone I just didn't know anymore used a huge generator to run everything. He grew beyond power lines way up on summit between Boulder Creek and Los Gatos DEEP in the hills had a 20K generator,I met gro-bro their working for him, he had it running 4 flower rooms just built into the forest. It was the size of a large Ford E350 VAN with 4wd it was HUGE. He had a Toyota truck that had a cab-high camper hiding a HUGE ass gas tank in the back that we used to drive down to Santa Cruz and fill up with that RED diesel that if they catch you running it in your truck or 18 wheeler it is a HUGE assed fine, but it was literally 1/3 cheaper than regular diesel.

It worked great, now he was a terrible businessman and was literally $100K in debt and just "retired" to his property in Costa Rica (I think he just got tired of the CC card bill collectors also), well he had a huge grow run and a full sized house ALL run off thast generator. It had it's own building so even if it snowed (which it did occasionally) that thing ran day and night, he also had a room that was FULL of deep-cycle batteries as a battery backup as well, I tried to get him to set up a solar array to go completely off-grid but he just never could get it together to make it all happen.

I now see the opportunity I missed out on trying to buy his operation, it would have been EPIC! And to top it off he had a huge ass outdoor grow going every year also! Man I hope you get that generator figured out Bobble, I've seen it work real well but every situation is different.

 

[Vic Hammer]

Yep, gas last. The propane is the dangerous part of course and the propane people are the most difficult. If not done by them, they will inspect the whole gas hook up before they install and fill the tank.

Size up on the genset. I'm not sure about Generac, but consumer gensets are rated at their max which they cannot supply 24/7. Only industrial gensets are giving their true, continuous, output. The only propane genset i have any experience with is Onan and they are very nice. A good genset will be worth the money spent and could be a nice feature for a lake house. Remember, you can cry when you buy it, or cry everytime you use it.

 

[DrFever]

why doesn;t everyone get into solar power for back up energy )

also being a big thread how many plant grow was this and any word on final weight ????

 

[Anti]

why doesn;t everyone get into solar power for back up energy )

Well, if Bobble had 4 rooms x 1800w, right there he'd need a solar system capable of averaging 7200w an hour (and this is before any other lights, appliances, pumps, timers, ballast waste, etc.) but at 7200w an hour... well, here's a quick link I found:

http://www.solarpanelsonline.org/7200W-Home-Solar-200W-Sanyo-panels-Fronius-p/999gts689.htm\

For those who don't click outside links, it says that a 7200w solar package (not installed) is on sale for the low, low price of $47,000!

Considering what he payed for the HOUSE, that's a bit of an expense. (And I know there are probably cheaper solar packages out there, but this is to illustrate a point.)

I do agree that over a long enough time period the steady addition of 1000w of solar at a time might be a good strategy for eventual energy independence. But as a short-term solution to power grid failure, it's pretty pricey.

also being a big thread how many plant grow was this and any word on final weight ????

No disrespect when I say this, homie, but you would do well to read this entire thread from first post to last. Then read some of his older threads first to last. There is a wealth of powerful information that my boy Bobble is laying down. Good and bad. If you try to skim it, you might take away one of the bad ideas thinking that's the way to do it.

Bobble isn't pulling punches. And that's why he's great to watch. He spends money, tries something, doesn't like it, shows you the pictures and then just by reading it, you learn a lot for free.

Just like in school, some subjects deserve careful study.

This is one.

Read it.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

why doesn;t everyone get into solar power for back up energy )

also being a big thread how many plant grow was this and any word on final weight ????

For 3 month's out of the year a solar array is useless here in Michigan. For another 3 it is nearly useless. For 3 month's it is ok. And for the last three it is great. To run his grow he would need a solar array that is 3-4 times bigger than his usage to get close to what he would need. And then he would still need a gen set for the worst of the year when it would not work at all. At best a solar array is good for heating water for your pool or showers for part of the year. Look at the site "build it solar" to get the charts for available solar power.

 

[DrFever]

Well, if Bobble had 4 rooms x 1800w, right there he'd need a solar system capable of averaging 7200w an hour (and this is before any other lights, appliances, pumps, timers, ballast waste, etc.) but at 7200w an hour... well, here's a quick link I found:

http://www.solarpanelsonline.org/7200W-Home-Solar-200W-Sanyo-panels-Fronius-p/999gts689.htm\

For those who don't click outside links, it says that a 7200w solar package (not installed) is on sale for the low, low price of $47,000!

Considering what he payed for the HOUSE, that's a bit of an expense. (And I know there are probably cheaper solar packages out there, but this is to illustrate a point.)

I do agree that over a long enough time period the steady addition of 1000w of solar at a time might be a good strategy for eventual energy independence. But as a short-term solution to power grid failure, it's pretty pricey.



No disrespect when I say this, homie, but you would do well to read this entire thread from first post to last. Then read some of his older threads first to last. There is a wealth of powerful information that my boy Bobble is laying down. Good and bad. If you try to skim it, you might take away one of the bad ideas thinking that's the way to do it.

Bobble isn't pulling punches. And that's why he's great to watch. He spends money, tries something, doesn't like it, shows you the pictures and then just by reading it, you learn a lot for free.

Just like in school, some subjects deserve careful study.

This is one.

Read it.

I'm sure there is a ton of good info not trying to start anything Homie i have grown from 2000 watts to 60,000 watt grows
from 200 plant out door to 1700 plant gorilla out door grows yielding me shit load from 2 plant indoor to 700 plant perpetual grows
trust me i bin around the block just stumbled across this thread and thought pretty cool anyways Cheers
here's my 4 plant grow 28 days into flowering from flipping

 

[bobblehead]

Well, if Bobble had 4 rooms x 1800w, right there he'd need a solar system capable of averaging 7200w an hour (and this is before any other lights, appliances, pumps, timers, ballast waste, etc.) but at 7200w an hour... well, here's a quick link I found:

http://www.solarpanelsonline.org/7200W-Home-Solar-200W-Sanyo-panels-Fronius-p/999gts689.htm\

For those who don't click outside links, it says that a 7200w solar package (not installed) is on sale for the low, low price of $47,000!

Considering what he payed for the HOUSE, that's a bit of an expense. (And I know there are probably cheaper solar packages out there, but this is to illustrate a point.)

I do agree that over a long enough time period the steady addition of 1000w of solar at a time might be a good strategy for eventual energy independence. But as a short-term solution to power grid failure, it's pretty pricey.

No disrespect when I say this, homie, but you would do well to read this entire thread from first post to last. Then read some of his older threads first to last. There is a wealth of powerful information that my boy Bobble is laying down. Good and bad. If you try to skim it, you might take away one of the bad ideas thinking that's the way to do it.

Bobble isn't pulling punches. And that's why he's great to watch. He spends money, tries something, doesn't like it, shows you the pictures and then just by reading it, you learn a lot for free.

Just like in school, some subjects deserve careful study.

This is one.

Read it.

I have bad ideas sometimes? You must have the wrong thread...

Thanks bro. I would most definitely hate for someone to come along and pick up on one of my old feed systems or something... Or try and only feed the plant what it needs like a blumat, but w/o the blumat... lol

Anyway, thanks again.

I'm sure there is a ton of good info not trying to start anything Homie i have grown from 2000 watts to 60,000 watt grows
from 200 plant out door to 1700 plant gorilla out door grows yielding me shit load from 2 plant indoor to 700 plant perpetual grows
trust me i bin around the block just stumbled across this thread and thought pretty cool anyways Cheers
here's my 4 plant grow 28 days into flowering from flipping

It's still a matter of respect. You want me to take the time to respond to your question, but you won't take the time to filter this thread by my posts to find out the plant count? AND you took the time to tell us how big your balls are... Nobody questioned your skills as a grower.

It was more than 80 and less than 90. I can't remember exactly. I try not to think about #'s so much once they're in place. You've already been answered about the solar panels... I live too far north and the costs and space needed are prohibitive.





Power is back on, and nothing terrible happened while it was out... except the pipes are froze... but w/e, cause it's only gonna get warmer outside.

 

[megayields]

Frozen pipes in MI.? That never happens...lol.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

You need to load some Straw DD in that pipe and light up man.

Glad you have the power back on.