diruptive selection caused canna or its precursors to become diotious,,,,,hermis show us an an expreshion from an earlyer stage of evoloution, ,,hermis are how cannas ancestors used to repoduce..
WTF is w/feminized genetics,
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One day I was bored and decided to make some CS and spray a big Bubba Kush mother I had, at the time I had a room with OG Kush, The White, UK Cheese, Abusive, Urkle, Green Crack, Chocolate Thai, Pimpslap (thunderfckdiesel x DC), and Ed Rosenthals not so Super Bud.
I decided just to do a seed run and let Bubba pollinate the whole lot, at the time I figured I'd just sort through all the hermies and warn anyone that grows them to keep their eyes out for hermies, I figured some of the crosses would have a pretty high % of them.
I knew the Bubba I was using was an all star for breeding, although I had never reversed her myself. As for the other clones I didn't know anymore about some of them then what most people read about them, some of them I had only grown for a short period of time.
Lets just say between me and the people that recieved some of these beans we put ALOT of them outside. For whatever reason there has not been 1 reported hermie plant out of any of those crosses when grown in the outdoors. Maybe one day there will but it hasn't happened yet.
There's only been a few hermies reported indoors on a couple of the crosses, but there has been way fewer plants grown indoors then outdoors. There has not been a single male indoor or out, alot of it has been documented on a different site both indoor and outdoor grows. This was coming with the warning to make sure to keep an eye out for hermies, my biggest fear was ruining someones garden with a bunch of hermie beans. I'd estimate a couple Thousand of these beans have been grown in total indoor and out.
To be honest it has blown my mind, from everything I had learned up to that point was to expect quite a bit of hermies and weaklings, it has been the complete opposite. The quality of the plants and nugs have been off the chain.
Take it for what its worth.
I decided just to do a seed run and let Bubba pollinate the whole lot, at the time I figured I'd just sort through all the hermies and warn anyone that grows them to keep their eyes out for hermies, I figured some of the crosses would have a pretty high % of them.
I knew the Bubba I was using was an all star for breeding, although I had never reversed her myself. As for the other clones I didn't know anymore about some of them then what most people read about them, some of them I had only grown for a short period of time.
Lets just say between me and the people that recieved some of these beans we put ALOT of them outside. For whatever reason there has not been 1 reported hermie plant out of any of those crosses when grown in the outdoors. Maybe one day there will but it hasn't happened yet.
There's only been a few hermies reported indoors on a couple of the crosses, but there has been way fewer plants grown indoors then outdoors. There has not been a single male indoor or out, alot of it has been documented on a different site both indoor and outdoor grows. This was coming with the warning to make sure to keep an eye out for hermies, my biggest fear was ruining someones garden with a bunch of hermie beans. I'd estimate a couple Thousand of these beans have been grown in total indoor and out.
To be honest it has blown my mind, from everything I had learned up to that point was to expect quite a bit of hermies and weaklings, it has been the complete opposite. The quality of the plants and nugs have been off the chain.
Take it for what its worth.
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BrianBadonde
Just one question for the naysayers with regard to the process "feminization" not a name I like too much.. when you are doing your holier than though mating practices! how many males are you using? is it strictly a 1:1 or !:5 ie 1 male 5 fems etc... some of you are in here sprouting absolute shit. and whats worse you aren't even backing your shit up with facts.
I suggest some look up the "cost of males"... as to sex inheritance
http://www.daimi.au.dk/~tbata/tap/ehlers05.pdf
I suggest some look up the "cost of males"... as to sex inheritance
http://www.daimi.au.dk/~tbata/tap/ehlers05.pdf
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TheGerm
I am not in anyway a expert on the subject, I want to learn more about cannabis. Thats why a lot of people are here and most people come on these sites. My question is or was which may have been lost in my babble. Do any of you really believe with the greed of humans that all these seed companys are really working these genes like you say must or should be done for a true fem seed line? Personally, I highly doubt that they are. So thats why I brought up the environmental factors, because it seems if they dont you would have the same chance for females with regular seeds. I dont know anyone that has a perfect grow environment, which would mean stress to the plant in some way,yes or no ? Sorry if Im not as bright as some here, just trying to learn. Maybe the pro's should show a little more compassion to their fellow cannabis brothers with a love for this plant and the future of this plant. Peace...!
TheGerm
TheGerm
Pick a seed breeder, any seed breeder, and then ask the questions again. Because it does not matter if they are producing fem seed, reg seeds, or both. The answer is the same.
Selection of parental stock is the same for both types of seeds. So, either a breeder selects properly, or they don't. The market will weed out those who do not. It has nothing to do with seeds being fem or regular bred.
Selection of parental stock is the same for both types of seeds. So, either a breeder selects properly, or they don't. The market will weed out those who do not. It has nothing to do with seeds being fem or regular bred.
A major difference in the two is that what we're looking at (appears male), stands out much more in a female selection program and this is yet another argument in favor imo. Plants of the very same sexual predicament (intersexed plants that appear male) are more camouflaged in a M/F program, but they are there none the less, and likely very often used for breeding as well.
In this light, and with much stronger arguments too imo, could we not go on a rampage about how folks who use M/F programs are fucking everything up, lol? Justa jab -T
In this light, and with much stronger arguments too imo, could we not go on a rampage about how folks who use M/F programs are fucking everything up, lol? Justa jab -T
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Dalaihempy
Enzyme Helps Males Make Up For Their X Chromosome Shortage
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080529121210.htm
The Story Of X: Evolution Of A Sex Chromosome
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090416125209.htm
Tracking Genes For Self-Pollination In Plants
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070427092011.htm
Sam i will find you the article thort i had saved it but did not.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080529121210.htm
The Story Of X: Evolution Of A Sex Chromosome
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090416125209.htm
Tracking Genes For Self-Pollination In Plants
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070427092011.htm
Sam i will find you the article thort i had saved it but did not.
Honkytonk
Member
If that was meant to answer my questions, I'm sorry, I can't see any relevance in the linked blurbs.
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Dalaihempy
No there just articles i thort some may find interesting.
IWanaGetHiSoHi
Active member
Since you haven't gotten an answer ... and this is all how I Understand It and might not be complete enough ... and I'm really fucking High Soooooooooooooo Here it is In A Nut Shell. Passes on Male Genetic Code of that strain or hybrid ... IDK they just grow Balls ... an intersexed gene in a plant can cause a normally Male and Female (dioescious sp?) flowering plant to produce flowers of Both sexes. There are concentrates, hormones and chemicals used to induce this Shim to make a plant reverse and Monsanto has a Gene Slammer ... I would consider them a Modifying of Genes, Alien Science or Witchcraft. Then there's the Environmental Stress applications (let go Looooong in flower ... light poison the dark cycle ... radical pH fluctuations ... completely bizarre feeding etc etc) ...
Nice sig dude!
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Dalaihempy
Effects of Gibberellic Acid on Primary Terpenoids and Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol in Cannabis sativa at Flowering Stage
Plants synthesize an astonishing diversity of isoprenoids, some of which play essential roles in photosynthesis, respiration, and the regulation of growth and development. Two independent pathways for the biosynthesis of isoprenoid precursors coexist within the plant cell: the cytosolic mevalonic acid (MVA) pathway and the plastidial methylerythritol phosphate (MEP) pathway. However, little is known about the effects of plant hormones on the regulation of these pathways. In the present study we investigated the effect of gibberellic acid (GA3) on changes in the amounts of many produced terpenoids and the activity of the key enzymes, 1-deoxy-D-xylulose 5-phosphate synthase (DXS) and 3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaryl coenzyme A reductase (HMGR), in these pathways. Our results showed GA3 caused a decrease in DXS activity in both sexes that it was accompanied by a decrease in chlorophylls, carotenoids and Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) contents and an increase in α-tocopherol content. The treated plants with GA3 showed an increase in HMGR activity. This increase in HMGR activity was followed by accumulation of stigmasterol and β-sitosterol in male and female plants and campestrol in male plants. The pattern of the changes in the amounts of sterols was exactly similar to the changes in the HMGR activity. These data suggest that GA3 can probably influence the MEP and MVA pathways oppositely, with stimulatory and inhibitory effects on the produced primary terpenoids in MVA and DXS pathways, respectively.
An interesting article still looking for the one were experiments wee done using shading to promote sex in cannabis sativa.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2435799
Plants synthesize an astonishing diversity of isoprenoids, some of which play essential roles in photosynthesis, respiration, and the regulation of growth and development. Two independent pathways for the biosynthesis of isoprenoid precursors coexist within the plant cell: the cytosolic mevalonic acid (MVA) pathway and the plastidial methylerythritol phosphate (MEP) pathway. However, little is known about the effects of plant hormones on the regulation of these pathways. In the present study we investigated the effect of gibberellic acid (GA3) on changes in the amounts of many produced terpenoids and the activity of the key enzymes, 1-deoxy-D-xylulose 5-phosphate synthase (DXS) and 3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaryl coenzyme A reductase (HMGR), in these pathways. Our results showed GA3 caused a decrease in DXS activity in both sexes that it was accompanied by a decrease in chlorophylls, carotenoids and Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) contents and an increase in α-tocopherol content. The treated plants with GA3 showed an increase in HMGR activity. This increase in HMGR activity was followed by accumulation of stigmasterol and β-sitosterol in male and female plants and campestrol in male plants. The pattern of the changes in the amounts of sterols was exactly similar to the changes in the HMGR activity. These data suggest that GA3 can probably influence the MEP and MVA pathways oppositely, with stimulatory and inhibitory effects on the produced primary terpenoids in MVA and DXS pathways, respectively.
An interesting article still looking for the one were experiments wee done using shading to promote sex in cannabis sativa.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2435799
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mule420
Member
Wow looks like some of you could use a HUG 
I do thank you guys for this discussion, I'm starting a small to medium breeding program using the best males of reg seeds, and the females I have just been trying to pick the stable ones I like. Some are from fem seed, some reg. And some I get as a cut so I have no clue... The one's that have hermied I just kicked that plant out of my gene pool. Lot's of knowledge on this site I love it! Peace The mule
I do thank you guys for this discussion, I'm starting a small to medium breeding program using the best males of reg seeds, and the females I have just been trying to pick the stable ones I like. Some are from fem seed, some reg. And some I get as a cut so I have no clue... The one's that have hermied I just kicked that plant out of my gene pool. Lot's of knowledge on this site I love it! Peace The mule
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lol
im allready being passive-agressive towards this issue,,,
ive turned quite a few M/F polen chuckers into Fem polen chuckers,,,,ive done this because i hold a strong argument that folks who select males using maily guesswork would be better using females!!,,,,everyone wants to reintroduce the Y chromozone later as a novelty but that IS COOL!!
imho,,,,,there is mutch less chance of accidently aquiring bad recessives with fem breeding,,,
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elmanito
mule420
Member
Good point! I really don't know I'm going to go about finding male breeding stock, other then big numbers and if I find the recessive hidden gene in it's offspring, it's back to square one on the male.
The thing I learned in this thread is hemi's don't just happen... Parent plants play a role in it regardless what seeds you use.
Let me start off by stating that I'm an advocate of the feminization process but rather unnaturally .... not the war in Iraq.
Let me explain.
It is thought by many social commentators that the preponderance of violence at all levels of US society, in combination with the heavy reliance on polluting and dehumanizing technologies that are the chief contributing factors to the highest levels of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, obesity, mental illness and infertility in recorded history, coupled with the rank sexual objectification of women that is a hallmark of American machismo, suggests that the US society as a whole is skewed too far in the direction of a masculine paradigm (and hence a loss of vigorous Yin/Yang balance) that is vital if the US is to be the most powerful culture on earth for more than a couple of decades hence.
Now this isn't recounted so that Luddites, hippies and eurofags can rejoice at the inarguable logic of such an anti-reductionist rant. The point isn't that there is something wrong with your typical indoor growing, indica loving, Republican voting, Big Mac eating, Coke swilling, feminized seed advocating - American champ.
The point is that there's a novel remedy at hand.
Since in society - as in marijuana cultivation - an increase in female numbers is a desirable trait (after all one male can fertilize thousands of females). Why don't all the proponents of feminization go and dip yourselves in colloidal silver until your balls drop off and your bosoms increase?
OK ....now tell me you're not a fucken hermaphrodite.
I hope I've contributed to the argument for feminization.
Let me explain.
It is thought by many social commentators that the preponderance of violence at all levels of US society, in combination with the heavy reliance on polluting and dehumanizing technologies that are the chief contributing factors to the highest levels of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, obesity, mental illness and infertility in recorded history, coupled with the rank sexual objectification of women that is a hallmark of American machismo, suggests that the US society as a whole is skewed too far in the direction of a masculine paradigm (and hence a loss of vigorous Yin/Yang balance) that is vital if the US is to be the most powerful culture on earth for more than a couple of decades hence.
Now this isn't recounted so that Luddites, hippies and eurofags can rejoice at the inarguable logic of such an anti-reductionist rant. The point isn't that there is something wrong with your typical indoor growing, indica loving, Republican voting, Big Mac eating, Coke swilling, feminized seed advocating - American champ.
The point is that there's a novel remedy at hand.
Since in society - as in marijuana cultivation - an increase in female numbers is a desirable trait (after all one male can fertilize thousands of females). Why don't all the proponents of feminization go and dip yourselves in colloidal silver until your balls drop off and your bosoms increase?
OK ....now tell me you're not a fucken hermaphrodite.
I hope I've contributed to the argument for feminization.
el...
...are you talking about genetic-recombination, linkage, SNP [single nuclotide polymorphism]?,,,,,,,,
...are you talking about genetic-recombination, linkage, SNP [single nuclotide polymorphism]?,,,,,,,,
