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The barbs come with the blumats, so no worries... but u'll need 1/4" tubing or barbed fitting from Kent Systems.
No bro, buy extra 3mm tube. The tubing that come w/ the blumat is short, and could have a kink in it if the top was screwed down tight for a long period of time... You'll want to secure the manifold, and then run the appropriate length of 3mm tubing to reach your blumats.
Yeah I like that the Orca is 11 mil and 100% light tight, b/c reflectix isn't. I use the double sided stuff, and if I don't put up black plastic or OSB walls, I can see the light shining through. I also don't like that with a lot of friction, the reflextive material wears off...
Definitely keep me updated on the Orca. I'll probably pick some up myself. Couldn't hurt any to try a new product. I'd like to see how Orca compares to Reflectix with my new light meter!
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Well knock me over with a feather....Reflectix ain`t light proof ?.....I always put it on osb though so no way I could`ve known but hey........
I`ve heard good things bout the Orca according to Agent Smith and a few others at med sites , but In ALL my yrs I never had any hot spots with my rooms and EVERYTHING that wasn`t green was covered in reflectix ftw.....
Never knew that shiny shit rubbed off either Bobbles and I`ve used 1000`s of sq/linear ftg over the yrs....but....
If yas can put Orca in the budget , I`d at least get enoughta do a side by side and use your new meter to let us know what`s Real.......
Bout ta put some big ass shrimps wrapped in bacon on the grill and berl up some cheese grits ta go along with em...GF`s tryn ta make me healthy and eat rabbit food , so I guess there`ll be a fukin salad and some other green shit she`ll try ta sneak in on my drunk/stoned ass by the time I get done grillin and chillin.....anyways......
Holler if yas need me Bro.....Freds......
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I`ve heard good things bout the Orca according to Agent Smith and a few others at med sites , but In ALL my yrs I never had any hot spots with my rooms and EVERYTHING that wasn`t green was covered in reflectix ftw.....
Never knew that shiny shit rubbed off either Bobbles and I`ve used 1000`s of sq/linear ftg over the yrs....but....
If yas can put Orca in the budget , I`d at least get enoughta do a side by side and use your new meter to let us know what`s Real.......
Bout ta put some big ass shrimps wrapped in bacon on the grill and berl up some cheese grits ta go along with em...GF`s tryn ta make me healthy and eat rabbit food , so I guess there`ll be a fukin salad and some other green shit she`ll try ta sneak in on my drunk/stoned ass by the time I get done grillin and chillin.....anyways......
Holler if yas need me Bro.....Freds......
......Just finished making a beef stew with portabella mushrooms.
Yo bobble, that flexzilla air hose looks like good shit... The blumat stuff is rigid as fuck and kinks like a bitch. Your going to love the blumats for set and forget... They're spot on... I had a few problems with high run off due to not setting them properly to begin with but once you've fiddle about with them for a few days and got the hang they're piss easy to use.
I reckon they're better set with a slightly longer drip line to keep pots on wet side, as soon as they dry out pH drop and EC climbs as you know.
I'm wondering if I need to lower my nutes for next run due to minimal run off using them though... I'm not quite sure how drip clean would prevent salt accumulation if the salts are not being flushed out the pot and your feeding slightly higher than the plants need....
I reckon they're better set with a slightly longer drip line to keep pots on wet side, as soon as they dry out pH drop and EC climbs as you know.
I'm wondering if I need to lower my nutes for next run due to minimal run off using them though... I'm not quite sure how drip clean would prevent salt accumulation if the salts are not being flushed out the pot and your feeding slightly higher than the plants need....
been reading through Pico's thread... and I found out that new lamps need to burn for 100hs before the gases are properly mixed... So my readings are inconclusive. I'll redo them in 2 weeks time, but more professional, so I can post my findings in Pico's thread.
Here's a post I picked up from Green_Thumb... his octagon was 6.3' in diameter!
Here's a post I picked up from Green_Thumb... his octagon was 6.3' in diameter!
Originally Posted by green_thumb View Post
THANKS Pico for a ton of work, also knna for putting it in perspective.
I would observe that uniformity is my goal, to me the 24" data is smoother.
this is a post from the 420 Vertical forum:
After reading an authorative source stating that the actual light intensity with adjacient bulbs was too difficult to calculate, I followed his advice and directly measured the output of 4 600W HPS bulbs and 2 HPS + 2 MH conversion bulbs. Measurements were taken with an Extech LT300 light meter and corrected by the % difference between a new bulb's stated output and the meter reading (field calibration per the above author, citation lost). Note the meter reads between 500 and 630 nm so relative strength only is what is being measured and compared.
The v-scrog screen is 18" from the bulbs' CL, so that is the distance at which I measured the light intensity. The 4 bulbs are hung vertically to make up a 52" string, ~1" between the tip of one bulb and the next socket below it. The initial measurement 18" distant from the middle of the uppermost socket, and proceeded downards by the distance indicated.
distance .... 4 HPS .... 2 HPS + 2 MH
down, in. ... K Lux ..... K Lux
0 .............. 39 ......... 31 . . this is the midpoint of the top socket (4" from the ceiling)
6 .............. 60 ......... 52 . . the bulb midpoint
10 ............. 65 ......... 55 . . the bulb tip
14 ............. 75 ......... 59
20 ............. 88 ......... 66
24 ............. 86 ......... 63
28 ............. 76 ......... 62
35 ............. 77 ......... 60
39 ............. 70 ......... 53
42 ............. 64 ......... 53
48 ............. 53 ......... 51
52 ............. 43 ......... 41 . . tip of bottom bulb
I had originally intended to use 4 HPS bulbs, but it is clear I have more uniform lighting with the pairs of HPS and MH bulbs. It is also much more light than I had anticipated, probably 4 400W bulbs would be a better match for a 76" OD octagon; time will tell.
I would recommend using a light meter with stacked bulbs, doing so saved me a pile of grief.
Hortilux Super HPS LU600S - 88,000 lumens
Sunmaster Cool Delux conversion bulb LM.600W.U25.CDX - 50,000 lumens
Addendum: The bulbs had only 2 hours of run-in, not the 100 hr norm.
The chains in the photos has been replaced with 0.013" ss wire for reduced shading.
Well knock me over with a feather....Reflectix ain`t light proof ?.....I always put it on osb though so no way I could`ve known but hey........
I`ve heard good things bout the Orca according to Agent Smith and a few others at med sites , but In ALL my yrs I never had any hot spots with my rooms and EVERYTHING that wasn`t green was covered in reflectix ftw.....
Never knew that shiny shit rubbed off either Bobbles and I`ve used 1000`s of sq/linear ftg over the yrs....but....
If yas can put Orca in the budget , I`d at least get enoughta do a side by side and use your new meter to let us know what`s Real.......
Bout ta put some big ass shrimps wrapped in bacon on the grill and berl up some cheese grits ta go along with em...GF`s tryn ta make me healthy and eat rabbit food , so I guess there`ll be a fukin salad and some other green shit she`ll try ta sneak in on my drunk/stoned ass by the time I get done grillin and chillin.....anyways......
Holler if yas need me Bro.....Freds......
Yeah, definitely not light proof... As for as the reflective film rubbing off, that's not normal wear and tear... Cause for the most part the reflectix sits on the walls untouched, ya know? but I have used it to make soft doors that roll back, or when moving my racks around with the reflectix attached... the film rubs off and you're left with clear/white bubble insulation.
The Orca is supposed to have a buncha crystals that capture the light and bounce it back out... It's also supposed to be extremely rugged, so it should withstand multiple washings. Only time will tell... and you know I'll come back and report after I've picked some up.
Your body is a temple and all that... It's rabbit food or exercise, both is better, your choice... Then again, why die a hungry old man when you can die young, fat, and happy...
BldSwtTrs
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Yeah I like that the Orca is 11 mil and 100% light tight, b/c reflectix isn't. I use the double sided stuff, and if I don't put up black plastic or OSB walls, I can see the light shining through. I also don't like that with a lot of friction, the reflextive material wears off...
Definitely keep me updated on the Orca. I'll probably pick some up myself. Couldn't hurt any to try a new product. I'd like to see how Orca compares to Reflectix with my new light meter!
Yea I will keep you updated. Plan on picking up 100x4ft in the next week or so... Also I hear ya on the see through/rubbing off. Most of the reflectix I use is removable so I can get in and work and it wears off sooner or later. Turns in to regular bubble wrap after a while...
Well knock me over with a feather....Reflectix ain`t light proof ?.....I always put it on osb though so no way I could`ve known but hey........
I`ve heard good things bout the Orca according to Agent Smith and a few others at med sites , but In ALL my yrs I never had any hot spots with my rooms and EVERYTHING that wasn`t green was covered in reflectix ftw.....
Never knew that shiny shit rubbed off either Bobbles and I`ve used 1000`s of sq/linear ftg over the yrs....but....
If yas can put Orca in the budget , I`d at least get enoughta do a side by side and use your new meter to let us know what`s Real.......
Bout ta put some big ass shrimps wrapped in bacon on the grill and berl up some cheese grits ta go along with em...GF`s tryn ta make me healthy and eat rabbit food , so I guess there`ll be a fukin salad and some other green shit she`ll try ta sneak in on my drunk/stoned ass by the time I get done grillin and chillin.....anyways......
Holler if yas need me Bro.....Freds............
Yea DHF reflectix definitely isn't 100 percent light proof. ESPECIALLY once you start to move it around/touch it for an extended period of time. The reflective material eventually rubs off and it looks like see through bubble wrap...
The orca liner is supposed to be the shit... There is a video floating around of somebody using a light meter to test reflectivity and light intensity in a side by side comparison... its worth checking out but I guess you can never truly trust these things as they are probably sponsored by orca or something... anyway ill let ya know how it goes...
Just wanted to let you guys know what's up with my 3/32" barb fittings... They finally came. Pneumatic Depot, in CA, had them drop shipped from Kent Systems, in Co. I received my order after 3.5 weeks! Save yourselves the hassle of buying from anyone BUT Kent Systems, or just buy the 1/4" tubing, cause now these barb fittings are going into the "extra parts" pile.
Vic Hammer
Member
Thanks for the tip on the drop ship.
So, that 1/4" tubing is 1/4" I.D. ? The fitting you pictured comes with the Blumats, so it's designed to attach to their 8 mm tubing? Which, I guess then, is 8 mm O.D. So, you'll use the 1/4" as feed line for each level and then tee in for the 3mm line and a dripper?
Freaking tubing and fittings with their lack of standards can drive a guy nuts. Some list by OD, some by ID. PITA.
Guess I need to finish reading the Blumat thread.
So, that 1/4" tubing is 1/4" I.D. ? The fitting you pictured comes with the Blumats, so it's designed to attach to their 8 mm tubing? Which, I guess then, is 8 mm O.D. So, you'll use the 1/4" as feed line for each level and then tee in for the 3mm line and a dripper?
Freaking tubing and fittings with their lack of standards can drive a guy nuts. Some list by OD, some by ID. PITA.
Guess I need to finish reading the Blumat thread.
Yes 1/4" ID. IDK for sure about the 8mm tubing... But now you know what's worked for me so far. Yes, I'll be running the 1/4" ID tubing all around my room, I don't see why 1 line can't feed 2 levels as long as you purge the air... Then you cut it and insert the barb fitting that comes with the blumats... However you will want to replace the 3mm tubing. It's all VERY easy. Don't be intimidated. Do your research, make your purchases... Hopefully never look back? I'm not there yet.
Yes, I'll be running the 1/4" ID tubing all around my room, I don't see why 1 line can't feed 2 levels as long as you purge the air... Then you cut it and insert the barb fitting that comes with the blumats... However you will want to replace the 3mm tubing. It's all VERY easy. Don't be intimidated. Do your research, make your purchases... Hopefully never look back? I'm not there yet.Vic Hammer
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Yes 1/4" ID. IDK for sure about the 8mm tubing... But now you know what's worked for me so far.
Gracious. It's nice to know what fits before hand.
Especially, as you can't just run to the hardware store for parts, as for any other plumbing project. Intimidated? Scared? Nah. Plumbing = easy. It's the fittings that are a trip. If only we Americans could've switched to metric years ago, like we were supposed to.
And I agree, I don't see any reason 2 levels can't be fed by one line either. Being gravity, you're head will increase as you drop in levels. Unless that small tubing increases resistance too much, causing a huge pressure drop. But I'm betting not cause you're feed line ID is just a touch smaller than the stock 8mm tubing.
I'm most interested in Blumats due to their efficiency. No waste. No runoff, no need to change rez, efficient. I'm always looking to be more efficient. That's about the only thing for which I'll change my game.
For what its worth I think Bobble's airline is a bit different then most 1/4" tubing.
Regular old 1/4" air line tubing (or black hydro store stuff) will not fit over the 8mm tee (that the patio kit comes with) as bobble demonstrates in the pic with the colorful airline tubing. His bright yellow tubing must have a larger ID.
Save yourself a headache and just get 3/32" tees from Kent Systems.. then you can use just regular 1/2" tubing or whatever for your "trunk" manifold.
Or get the patio kit in 1st.. so you can take the 8mm tee with you when purchasing manifold tubing.
Clearly it has worked for bobble, but just wanted to throw it out there that MOST 1/4" tubing will NOT fit the blumat 8mm tees/fittings within the kit.
Regular old 1/4" air line tubing (or black hydro store stuff) will not fit over the 8mm tee (that the patio kit comes with) as bobble demonstrates in the pic with the colorful airline tubing. His bright yellow tubing must have a larger ID.
Save yourself a headache and just get 3/32" tees from Kent Systems.. then you can use just regular 1/2" tubing or whatever for your "trunk" manifold.
Or get the patio kit in 1st.. so you can take the 8mm tee with you when purchasing manifold tubing.
Clearly it has worked for bobble, but just wanted to throw it out there that MOST 1/4" tubing will NOT fit the blumat 8mm tees/fittings within the kit.
You're referring to black drip tubing with a 1/4" OD. You're correct about drip tubing being too small. If you buy air hose with 1/4" ID it most definitely will work. I didn't guess when I spent the $60 to get the tubing and have it shipped to me. It's all in the details guys... That I make a point of sharing.
Good luck on the chop broseph.....let us know that you hit the 2 GPW!
Hey bobble, that's some great info right there. I'll be sure to write those parameters down somewhere as I'm remodeling my doughnut to incorporate 2 stacked 600's. I also wanted to thank you for all the explanations on blumats, I spent a year trying to get them to work and only now do I realize I was doing just about everything wrong with the res and lines.
I'll have another go at it all this time because a year of growing ripoff genetics that weren't worth the smoke inhalation and blaming it all on bugs and other random mishaps plus relocating has got me pretty frustrated and broke.
best of luck
