Girl Scout Cookies

[BongRipkenJR.]

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[Yes4Prop215]

for all the controversey over breeders, etc......

breeders who are only in it for profits and dont care about their reputation becuase they rip off a newb stoner every day will breed GSC and fuck over alot of people..just like most watered down crosses..

others who actually care about their reputation amongst other growers here will put in the appropriate work and testing to make sure they arent releasing hermy unstable beans...like i already said if anything comes out hermy kill the whole batch or release with the disclosure, just like we saw with karma genetics last year when he was worried the beezle was possible unstable..

ICmag is a community where fuckery is exposed quickly and if someone is releasing some BS under the name GSC to make quick bucks im sure their card will get pulled...

 

[LumpStatus]

I agree with you ickis. The seeds muddy the water making the real mother less clear. But it is what it is. I would be more than happy to share my cut but have never felt safe making connections on the internet. If I find a dispensary whoi know has the same cut i will definatley let everyone know...

I visited a disp. in vallejo who admitted to selling gsc cuts for $500 each that came from bagseed and had never been flowered! gsc x gsc does not = gsc

There are a lot of people out there that believe an s1 will produce the same as the cut. 10 s1 seeds will produce 10 unique plants... Even from a very stable and very proper breeders you will get variation. BUT variation is a good thing if you are looking for a mother. Not so good if you want an exact replica

 

[Bobby Stainless]

 

[LumpStatus]

Just out of curiousity...how much would YOU (everyone) pay for a cut or two? I ask.because ive heard stories from $500 all the way to $50,000. Not that i believe it...but curious. I got mine for free but would have paid up to a grand personally 6 months ago.

 

[Bobby Stainless]

50k.....

 

[Mia]

How about three for twenty?
Not sure. We're surrounded by greatness but I will admit the more I read this thread the more I want this cut for some reason...
Send a cracka a pm..!
lol
Seriously though my thinking is in line with yours which has changed over the last few weeks.
The thing is it's getting out there at this point. My boy is supposed to be getting a cut of it but who knows...it seems people don't want to let it go easily.
Kind of ghey really but kind of understandable too I guess.
It should just be kept out of the hands of the dumbasses as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

BUT variation is a good thing if you are looking for a mother. Not so good if you want an exact replica

thats another thing that seed companies rarely specify....when you buy a pack of 180 dollar REZ beans it doesnt say "the seeds will be uniform phenos, etc..." most seeds available produce variation between the parents and let you choose....so people are basically reversing their mother hunting mindset with this strain because they want a pack of seeds they will get them something closest to the clone instead of possibly finding something better out there.....


thats fucking pathetic that a club is selling cuts from a GSC bagseed...what club is that you should pull their card on here. i guess most clubs operate with the understanding "a sucker is born every minute"....they dont care about repeat business. and shit up north theres tons of growers who can easily throw a few thousand dollars and not even blink..

 

[MOneYMiKe]

i have confidence that the real cookie will make it here ok.........wouldnt suck if animal made the trip as well...now what im not sure about is running her"cookie" at 50 day's......has anyone ran her longer?if so what kinda profile we looking at?im sure she looses her mint at some point...guessing after 50 ish'?yes krunch....

 

[LumpStatus]

;-)

 

[LumpStatus]

50 DAYS??? NO WAY! Took mine at 65 and had very few amber mostly cloudy. 50 days she still has white pistils and no purpling. 9 week minimum imo. Will put up some dry shots later or tomorrow...


Also...not much change in smell from day 40 to 65 just stronger at 65...buds are much denser at 65 than 50 too

 

[MOneYMiKe]

heard mb.....

 

[AOD2012]

I need to get my hand on this. Coming to Cali in may if anybody wants to hook a brotha up hahaha. This is fucking nuts.


aod

 

[187020]

I want to make money but im not super greedy lol. Maybe $100 per cut split 50/50 with a dispensary as a safe place to sell/buy them?

Oh you are too kind/generous...that's the spirit homie !! Put some up on Craigslist too and charge double

 

[Retardo Motabon]

I think I like your shot better than alot of the other cookie shots I've seen Cravenmore!

 

[m4n]

I'd pay $100 for lumpstatus gsc cut shiiiit.....now on with the s'1s,Down here in san Jose I heard of a few people sellin the gsc cuts from bag seed,which sucks cause people were payin $20+ a cut and had to buy 10-12 minimum...prolly be some decent smoke but not the thin mints...those who have the real cut should be thankful that the market for gsc is goin to be saturated with fakes real soon...youll still be golden if you got that thin mint cut tho!

 

[mofeta]

for the general icmag hobby breeder starting with the mother plant cherry pie and working in some OG parentage your going to find results alot faster and with less time and space than a multiple selfing project with large numbers.

While there would be nothing wrong with doing this, I don't see how it would be any faster, and it certainly wouldn't be more useful if your goal is to nail the Cookie profile traits in seeds.

I guess it depends on what the goal is. If you wanted to recreate the Cookies, you could do it the way you outline, using what are thought to be (that's a problem right there) the parents of the Cookies. But why? It's already been done. The serendipitous allele combo that has created such a buzz is already extant.

If your goal is to produce seed that produces plants that closely resemble the Cookies cut, the following is about as good a strategy as you could come up with:

It would be a huge step forward to start out with an ounce of seeded cookies. Grow 100+ of those, set aside the best 5+, self the 5+, rank them based on how their progeny performs, then repeat, releasing seed from the one who's progeny scored highest.

It would not take much work, it would be quick (indoors you could get pretty good results in a year), and would produce reliable results for the end user that wanted Cookies.

What would be really cool about doing it that way is that you would end up with something that could actually be useful in creating new awesome lines.

Although the downsides of this kind of breeding, lack of vigor, finickyness etc would be a problem if you were just wanting to produce Cookies, they don't matter so much if you are going to outcross.

If someone did what Tom suggested, and used the results to cross with some proven, reliable parents from different lines, you would certainly find some real winners to work with. The homozygousity of the inbred cookies would allow for repeatable, predictable outcomes in the offspring, and the filial generations to follow would fall into a simple, easy to understand Mendelian distribution (more or less).

Heterosis and transgression would abound, and any extra special results would be but a few generations from true breeding, vigorous, easy to grow lines.

I see so many demonizations of various breeding techniques. There is no inherently wrong breeding technique, only the improper application of the techniques in the context of the goals of the breeder.

If the goal is preservation of diversity, then yeah 1:1 matings and founder effect bottlenecks are inappropriate. Open, panmictic pollinations of large populations are more appropriate.

If you want to maintain high diversity and ability to adapt, but move towards a higher frequency of certain traits, then the "move the curve over" effect of mass selection is appropriate, especially with massively polygenic quantitative traits of high heritability.

When the goal is producing seed that will be reliably very homogenous for certain traits (a bottlenecking), then the vicious slash and burn inbreeding (positive associative mating) that Tom suggested is the ticket.

As I noted before, the homozygous result of this inbreeding can then be subjected to dissortative (or negative assortative) matings that can lead to trangressive elite phenotypes, and heterosis. You can then work on preseving, bottlenecking, hybridising etc. Then repeat. And repeat again etc.

 

[Bobby Stainless]

Oh you are too kind/generous...that's the spirit homie !! Put some up on Craigslist too and charge double

 

[gurnt]

M4M there one here is sac that doing the same thing

 

[bodhiseeds]

While there would be nothing wrong with doing this, I don't see how it would be any faster, and it certainly wouldn't be more useful if your goal is to nail the Cookie profile traits in seeds.

I guess it depends on what the goal is. If you wanted to recreate the Cookies, you could do it the way you outline, using what are thought to be (that's a problem right there) the parents of the Cookies. But why? It's already been done. The serendipitous allele combo that has created such a buzz is already extant.

If your goal is to produce seed that produces plants that closely resemble the Cookies cut, the following is about as good a strategy as you could come up with:



It would not take much work, it would be quick (indoors you could get pretty good results in a year), and would produce reliable results for the end user that wanted Cookies.

What would be really cool about doing it that way is that you would end up with something that could actually be useful in creating new awesome lines.

Although the downsides of this kind of breeding, lack of vigor, finickyness etc would be a problem if you were just wanting to produce Cookies, they don't matter so much if you are going to outcross.

If someone did what Tom suggested, and used the results to cross with some proven, reliable parents from different lines, you would certainly find some real winners to work with. The homozygousity of the inbred cookies would allow for repeatable, predictable outcomes in the offspring, and the filial generations to follow would fall into a simple, easy to understand Mendelian distribution (more or less).

Heterosis and transgression would abound, and any extra special results would be but a few generations from true breeding, vigorous, easy to grow lines.

I see so many demonizations of various breeding techniques. There is no inherently wrong breeding technique, only the improper application of the techniques in the context of the goals of the breeder.

If the goal is preservation of diversity, then yeah 1:1 matings and founder effect bottlenecks are inappropriate. Open, panmictic pollinations of large populations are more appropriate.

If you want to maintain high diversity and ability to adapt, but move towards a higher frequency of certain traits, then the "move the curve over" effect of mass selection is appropriate, especially with massively polygenic quantitative traits of high heritability.

When the goal is producing seed that will be reliably very homogenous for certain traits (a bottlenecking), then the vicious slash and burn inbreeding (positive associative mating) that Tom suggested is the ticket.

As I noted before, the homozygous result of this inbreeding can then be subjected to dissortative (or negative assortative) matings that can lead to trangressive elite phenotypes, and heterosis. You can then work on preseving, bottlenecking, hybridising etc. Then repeat. And repeat again etc.

is it time for a GSC seed making showdown....lol

what im trying to illustrate is that you have alot of people excited about a strain and want to bring it to market in seed form. some of these people may have more enthusiasm than botany experience, so im outlying a fun, easy, responsible way to get from a to b that will not use chemicals, or need huge numbers and may get you pretty darn close or even better.... there's always unique magic in recreation.

im sure the process of taking an "ounce of seeded cookies" and doing a huge multi stage selfing project would work and would be great fun for someone that likes to do that, its seems like a torturous experience to me, but thats just me, and i believe in different strokes for different folks, so its all good in the neighborhood, respect to the botany dept.... but if i was to go that way i would not start out with an ounce of seeded cookies, who knows what the male pollen donor could have been, i would self a verified GSC clone and start with seeds you know are from self pollinated cookies.