8 States May Legalize Marijuana This Year

[blackosprey]

I personally know a couple wine makers and several home brewers. Liquor, on the other hand, is not legal to produce. And with wine and beer, while there are some rules you should adhere to, the regulation is not a problem for those that I know. Take the limits of beer you can legally brew, 50 gallons per person per year, which equals roughly 2700 12 oz bottles. For wine, you can legally home vint 200 gallons.
Mostly what will be targeted by the ATF would be the people that are selling without a license, which in my eyes, is the real threat and danger.

 

[JVonChron]

It is good to hear that people are at least looking at the issue logically now, but beware!Shmalphy has it right, if these bills pass big corps/ pharma will have all the instruments already in place to put patents and copyrights (in addition to just doing it on the biggest scale) on different Cannabinoid combos and then go after growers for copyright/patent infringement like monsanto did/does with their GMOS... there is an article here on ICMAG I read recently and I will try to find it but it goes into detail the true ambitions of big corps/Pharma to GMO cannabis in addition to other F'd up shite.

 

[shmalphy]

Mostly what will be targeted by the ATF would be the people that are selling without a license, which in my eyes, is the real threat and danger.

I don't even know how to respond to this...

 

[shmalphy]

I personally know a couple wine makers and several home brewers. Liquor, on the other hand, is not legal to produce. And with wine and beer, while there are some rules you should adhere to, the regulation is not a problem for those that I know. Take the limits of beer you can legally brew, 50 gallons per person per year, which equals roughly 2700 12 oz bottles. For wine, you can legally home vint 200 gallons.
Mostly what will be targeted by the ATF would be the people that are selling without a license, which in my eyes, is the real threat and danger.

5700 bottles? It is less than a gallon a week, or 10 beers a week.
(50 * 128) / 12 = 533.333333 beers a year

 

[Bacchus]

It is good to hear that people are at least looking at the issue logically now, but beware!Shmalphy has it right, if these bills pass big corps/ pharma will have all the instruments already in place to put patents and copyrights (in addition to just doing it on the biggest scale) on different Cannabinoid combos and then go after growers for copyright/patent infringement like monsanto did/does with their GMOS... there is an article here on ICMAG I read recently and I will try to find it but it goes into detail the true ambitions of big corps/Pharma to GMO cannabis in addition to other F'd up shite.

You guys are getting way ahead of yourselfs. Lets see a law passed for personal use and then see who is going to provide it.

For a multi-national corportation to enter into this market the federal laws will have to change. NO ONE will take a chance of investing millions into anything if the Federal goverment is watching.

BTW, I thought the law on homebrewing was 200 gallons a year per household??? And I know many peeps who make their beer and wine and a few that distill.

BTW, the ATF is a federal agency so it would have no say in state law.

 

[purple_man]

high fambz!

i mean how the fuq can this be??? i mean, if it gets legalized in those states, how can it be done "law-wise"? is it gonna be like in those states it's legal and all, and people around the world will still get incarcinated for weed, cause the other countries signed the drug treaty back in the day??? sounds like double, triple and plentifold hypocrasy to say the least!!! still, i hope it goes through, could bring changes to other countries as well...

blessss

 

[OLDproLg]

Hmmm!

ill take 1 out of 8 to legalize as a BIG WIN!!!!!
hopeful thinking..

 

[RollmeoneKenobi]

It is always safe to assume that big business will try to have the laws written to favor them over the 'Mom and Pop stand' model. If the laws get passed a huge boom will begin in the home growing market because now the home grower will be left alone by LEO (as long as you are not trying to distribute). It is true that cigarette smokers do not grow their own tobacco, but with us prohibition has made a lot of us self sufficient! A lot of us love to grow as much as smoke! I think/hope that we would be more attentive to the adulterations that commercial aggro would make. Besides we need to the door open first; then deal with all the other concerns such as GMO seed, big pharma, and large corporations.

 

[shmalphy]

BTW, the ATF is a federal agency so it would have no say in state law.

Just like the DEA right?

 

[blackosprey]

I don't even know how to respond to this...

yeah, after rereading that, it came out slightly high on the ridiculous scale...my point was that if legalization were allowed, the target would not be on from non violent "offenders." you know, the small guys, the micro growers, the ones that do it for their own personal enjoyment/love of cannabis.

 

[blackosprey]

5700 bottles? It is less than a gallon a week, or 10 beers a week.
(50 * 128) / 12 = 533.333333 beers a year

correct, but, say you are married, you double that amount. Throw in your "roommate," and add another 50 gal. to that. Plus, since it is homebrew, you can make it a potent as you like (double and triple alcohol content of what is sold in stores), hopefully requiring less alcohol required to give you the required buzz. I'm not a heavy drinker, or daily for that matter, so 20 beers a week between me and my wife are more than enough.
see the similarities?

 

[Bacchus]

Just like the DEA right?

I won't say that the ATF won't overstep their authority and go after big growers.

BTW,

However, most states permit homebrewing, allowing 100 gallons of beer per person over the age of 21 per year and up to a maximum of 200 gallons per household annually when there are two or more adults over the age of 21 residing in the household.

100 gallons = 800 pints

 

[trichrider]

i wanna see an eight spot match.

 

[bentom187]

It is always safe to assume that big business will try to have the laws written to favor them over the 'Mom and Pop stand' model. If the laws get passed a huge boom will begin in the home growing market because now the home grower will be left alone by LEO (as long as you are not trying to distribute). It is true that cigarette smokers do not grow their own tobacco, but with us prohibition has made a lot of us self sufficient! A lot of us love to grow as much as smoke! I think/hope that we would be more attentive to the adulterations that commercial aggro would make. Besides we need to the door open first; then deal with all the other concerns such as GMO seed, big pharma, and large corporations.

i am also skeptical, if the states wanted leaglization they could just nullify fed prohibition by not spending the money the feds give it to enforce those laws,then the states could be left alone to decide for itself.
of course there would have to be alot of voting out of incumbants who do accept federal funds to enforce prohibition the feds cant force the state to take it and they cant make the state spend money it doesnt have to enforce laws it didnt pass.

i also highly doubt laws will keep them from kids,underage drinking is a problem everyone has seen,and its a perfect example of when people are determined to get it they will, all they have to do is bribe somone to do a packy/dipensery run wich inevitabley leads to encounters with the police still.

 

[dorkvan420]

Change FEDERAL laws and we will be making progress, otherwise IMHO, were all just kidding ourselves and putting temporary bandaids on a serious wound, state laws mean nothing and the last 15+ years have proven that , I have heard of plenty of folks that have been through our justice system for cannabis and state law did nothing, but changed federal laws would and can change it all, so lets get these drones out of government positions, as they all get paid by us and by these corporations that are trying to dictate our lives, and that in itself is just cause to use our vote the way it was meant....its time we vote for the right things instead of state pipe dreams.....just my opinion and like most things in life it aint worth a shit.

 

[bentom187]

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[GP73LPC]

very cool...

but as states start to legalize i bet the DEA ramps up efforts to raid... it's gonna take 2/3 of the states before the Feds cave...

 

[Midnight]

The feds will find a way to fuck this up. Count on it.

 

[shmalphy]

correct, but, say you are married, you double that amount. Throw in your "roommate," and add another 50 gal. to that. Plus, since it is homebrew, you can make it a potent as you like (double and triple alcohol content of what is sold in stores), hopefully requiring less alcohol required to give you the required buzz. I'm not a heavy drinker, or daily for that matter, so 20 beers a week between me and my wife are more than enough.
see the similarities?

Wow, big brother lets you have that much?! Awesome! Good thing he's there to look out for you for the small price of 30% of your income.

 

[TB Gardens]

Just like the DEA right?

Ya I was scratching my head over that comment too, lol. We already know how the fed feels about states rights (what rights?). Lol, that ain't no secret, they do what they want to do.