heath inspired test prototype (aero)

[DHF]

I`m drinkin beers and hittin bongs while GF git`s with all the grub she`s a fryin....Cajun battered catfish filets , cajun cole slaw , jalapeno hushpuppies , and big ass steak fries , horseradish tarter sauce , and sweet tea.....Yum Yum....

Anyways....45 plants huh...decisions , decisions...for next run I mean...

You`ll figure it out....Look how far yas`ve come with the fastest hydro system known to God and man....

From killin the girls to the girls killin it fer you....

Keep up da good work....I`m gettin hongry....Aaah good....supper`s ready....Ya`ll come gitchas some of this.....

Peace...Freds........

 

[bobblehead]

Sounds like you're getting over that "sick to your stomach" feeling domestication was giving you back in the summer... Haha..

 

[AOD2012]

Bobble and Freds really are god sends for us verties. Thanks to both of ya. Farmhouse, pretty sure you are going to be rocking this even better than this run pretty soon. Keep it green homey.


aod

 

[DHF]

Sounds like you're getting over that "sick to your stomach" feeling domestication was giving you back in the summer... Haha..

What can I say.....The dawg`s like her....She`s easy on the eye`s and don`t fuck with me when I need my alone time....

I`ve been ready ta get back to the beach , but the calls keep comin in bout bookin weekly vacations startin spring break next month so not sure if I`ll go back to the beach @ $1400 a week rental since my fat ass ain`t workin or growin....

Fuckin Gulf oil spill killed my rental income on the crib couple yrs back but I was gettin usedta stayin down there and chillin....I mean if nobody`s rentin , then I`m there cuz I`ve always hadta go in the off season to keep it paid for ok ?......property taxes are a bitch on gulfcoast beachfront real estate.....

But yeah ...the lil GF likes the pigs , cows , chickens , bulldawgs , and all their shit , so as long as the fireplace works and the power`s on , I can deal with this cold shit till it warms up.....

Needta get the tractor out and turn the veggie garden over ...planted clover as a cover crop for the nitrogen and it needs ta bake underneath for my maters and peppers to be all they can be under the big metal halide in the sky come time ta plant....and...

I`m all full of fried deliciousness , and fucked up from beers and bongs.....time for rest and relaxation...

Later....Freds.......

 

[Hydrosun]

You know....I missed the part where Hydro said 20 watts per sq ft sideways for all 4 walls , but I`ve never heard it expressed that way....but .....as said above yer shit looks good so why fix what ain`t fucked up.....

I did make a post in another thread bout a guy that used 20 watts per "cubic" ft , but it seemed too excessive to me and definitely hardta dial environment......

As far as what`s above and below the 5 x 5`s what I meant was what`s above the racks and below where light can leak out so maybe you`re not actually gettin all those 80 watts per directly on the plants....maybe yas are but I`ve not seen a lot of your pics so dunno....

Just wonderin....DHF..........

I too like how the plants look and just wanted to ask / calculate light based on sq' of plant area. That is why I counted all 4 walls.

If the light were the same for the plants with 3 walls (triangle) 4 walls (square) or 5 walls (pentagon) then I guess we could just express watts per sq' of a wall. However I think that the actual number of sq' of plant space (all walls) should be used in the calculation.

Again what really matters is how well the system will run with various numbers of walls and various amounts of light.

I think FHC ran three walls once in this thread while dialing the system in, my speculation is that 4 walls yields more than 3 walls if they use the same light.

FHC could you arrange the walls into a 5 sided pentagon? I think that would help you increase the GPW more than changing to 2x600.

Your numbers are going to be great and your plants look great. GPW is an easy calc to agree on, and watts per square foot can be left for a later more stoned discussion.

 

[DHF]

Well there yas go.....Excellent idea Hydro...More plants equals more yield....guaranteed...without havin to drop back in wattage....

The only problem I see is all the dead corners bein moved further away from the lights for diiminishing lumen loss , but maybe not with enough light....dunno....but....

The only weak spot in any vertical shelf/rack setup are the corners where light drops off and plants can grow together , choke each other out competing for light and environment , and that`s why I angled my corners , covered em in reflectix , and that gave em room to come out toward the lights , and everything as far as lumens that got past em were bounced back at em from the reflectix....so.....

That`s why FHC`s got less plants already due to the corners not being efficient , so maybe openin em up with another section would hopefully give the corner plants room enough to thrive and yield accordingly....dunno....Cuz it`s a trial and error thingy to be witnessed and improved upon...

And finally....That discussion on watts per sq ft sideways on all 4 walls being the equivalent of 20 watts per sq ft makes a lot of sense as far as yas sayin 4-5 ft square walls with 2KW does come out to 4 divided by 80 , but in regular 8' high rooms the wattage would have to increase exponentially to keep said wattage , and maybe it should , but.....

That`s more light and heat than I`d be willin ta fuck with dialin in environment , so as always I stay in my comfort zone of 50 watts per with only length x width bein enough ta grow AAA top shelf shit....did it for a long long time....

The reason I say that is for instance if I did 20 watts per sq ft sideways in my old rack rooms , I`d haveta run 900 watts per wall times 4 with 6' walls 7.5' tall , and there ain`t no way I could double my wattage from 18 to 3600 watts per room and do anything but burn my shit slap up......and finally.....

Higher wattage works and will definitely increase quality and density of yer nugs as long as yas can control heatgain...but..It will not increase yields ...period......not very cost efficient either....

FHC`s killin it with an aero setup I`d be scared shitless ta run for production and for that he deserves major respect....especially rockin 80 watts per sq ft the way I see it , controllin environment , and I`m not sure I`ve seen healthier plants at that age.....anyways....

Handle it Bro...build another rack and watch those numbers soar.....Good call Hydro.....How much sq ftg is a 5' pentagon length x width wise cuz I ain`t that smart...

With 5 walls 25 sq ft as yas say Hydro decreases the sideways wattage to 16 watts per sq ft....time will tell in the dialing process what works best , but as it stands.....20 watts per sq ft sideways is kickin it hard for FHC........

Peace....DHF........

 

[farmhouse cat]

FHC could you arrange the walls into a 5 sided pentagon? I think that would help you increase the GPW more than changing to 2x600.

I actually thought about that in the beginning, man if i had the room i would build a few more walls and try all different kinds of shapes. Imagine pentagons and octagons , even a hexagon which i think is probably the best.

but with the space i had to work with i stuck with the square.

But there is some room for another row on top. So in the future i could easily add that row.

 

[gurnt]

WOwW! I am lost you are saying 20 watts PSF of wall is a good start. So on my litte set up 30 " round no corners 48 " high 31.5 sq feet I need at least 600 watts righ

 

[Hydrosun]

Most people will tell you to have your 600w bulb at least 18" from your plants, that would mean at least a 3' circle around the bulb with no plants. So I am not sure what you mean by a 30" round no corner set up. Are you talking about a weed doughnut with plants around a light an only 48" high?

Maybe do able but I don't think Vert is the best solution for 4' high cab. The bulb and socket are close to two feet long.

 

[gurnt]

THANK YOU HYDROSUN for the fast reply.I am settiing my lighs up to day. The plan is a 400 and 250 with the 400 on top

it is round

 

[Hydrosun]

As DHF said if you can control the heat more watts are better. Perhaps a single 600 would be better than the 250 + 400 especially if the whole system is only 48" tall. Watch for heat spots and potential bleaching if the plants get too close.

 

[gurnt]

Thank you. have 20 1000 Watts growing algae in 20 foot X 12" tubes but 0lny one 400 and 250 so will trade some 1000 for 600 soon and see how both work

 

[Vic Hammer]

You got it right 80 w/sf. The wattage is the energy used to create the light. So, with your canopy 80w of energy is used to light that square foot.

I think you answered yourself above. Add another row.

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Bump

 

[farmhouse cat]

I harvested a couple days ago just a few days shy of 9 weeks.
The ppms were down to 250 after just adding plain RO water for the last 10 days or so. The leaves really started yellowing off, and the buds werent swelling anymore.. so chop chop.

Got some huge colas in there, and virtually no larf. But there were 8-9 plants on the corners that were dwarfed and didnt yield squat.
(still need to find that sweet spot in veg time and size)

These plants went in too big, and choked the corners out. I dont know how im going to remedy that? other then just smaller plants goin in. The harvest before this one didnt have that problem as much and they were smaller goin in. Which worries me again as the next round is getting quite big already. This next batch i can open the square up by backing the walls out and exposing the corners more. Oh my! the trials and tribulations of dialege.

Im not expecting a huge number like i wanted this round. But bills will be paid and i will have a nice buffer zone ta spoil the wifey with a mini vacation so im a happy guy.

Started cleanup and will have the next batch in by tonight.

 

[bobblehead]

Nice work FHC! The new clones look a lot better. That last round was out of control... I think you're really going to kill it this next round. Maybe get some hortitrellis, so that you can pull the plants open and spread out the branches more, fill in the corners that you're opening up. Congrats on the harvest.

 

[DHF]

Good job Bro.....I knew the dead corners were gonna haveta be dealt with , so open the walls up and put some plywood covered in reflectix in those corners angled like my old rack rooms.....

That way all the corner plants are backed away from each other and all the light that hits the angled corners get bounced right back at the corners ftw.....

No more dwarfed plants that don`t yield , and although it`ll drop your watts per sq ft some , trust me you`ll still have plenty to spare.....

My corners were 17" wide cuz my racks were inside dimensions of 6 x 6 but the racks were only 4' wide leaving 1' on each side of each of the 4 racks making the hypotenuse of the 12" right triangles 17"...worked like a charm....All plants finished within grams of each other without any gettin choked out......anyways....

Have fun with the lil lady on the mini vacation and good luck on all future runs in the dialage process....

Holler if I can help....DHF.........

 

[farmhouse cat]

Nice work FHC! The new clones look a lot better. That last round was out of control... I think you're really going to kill it this next round. Maybe get some hortitrellis, so that you can pull the plants open and spread out the branches more, fill in the corners that you're opening up. Congrats on the harvest.

Thanks Bobble. Yea these new veg plants look sooo much better! I just might do the hortitrellis on this round.

 

[Bonzo]

add another wall for a pentagon...

 

[farmhouse cat]

Good job Bro.....I knew the dead corners were gonna haveta be dealt with , so open the walls up and put some plywood covered in reflectix in those corners angled like my old rack rooms.....

That way all the corner plants are backed away from each other and all the light that hits the angled corners get bounced right back at the corners ftw.....

No more dwarfed plants that don`t yield , and although it`ll drop your watts per sq ft some , trust me you`ll still have plenty to spare.....

My corners were 17" wide cuz my racks were inside dimensions of 6 x 6 but the racks were only 4' wide leaving 1' on each side of each of the 4 racks making the hypotenuse of the 12" right triangles 17"...worked like a charm....All plants finished within grams of each other without any gettin choked out......anyways....

Have fun with the lil lady on the mini vacation and good luck on all future runs in the dialage process....

Holler if I can help....DHF.........

Thanks DHF. I backed the walls up as much as i could being that my room is not much bigger then the footprint itself. So i backed them up about 6 inches, which is actually quite a bit. I also did like you suggested and filled the corners with reflectix. And i mounted reflectix directly behind the top row. It looks cool!

Instead of a couple hanfulls of hydroton rocks in each bucket for something the roots to grab on too, i used bio balls on this next run. Im thinking the hydroton is holding alot of nutes and maybe thats why my plants are holding so much nitro. And these bio balls are soo much easier to work with.

Also bought fresh new 1k hortilux bulbs!

The plants are in and lookin good. I trimmed alot more this time between the veg unit and sticking them in the flower racks. (bottom stems and the backs) One thing i also did was to put the largest plants on the top rows. The top row always seem to have the most room, and i think this way the bottom rows will have more room and receive more light.

Anyhow, hoping good things forn this next run. Although i am running some new strains this run so it may get a little crazy!

pics to come.