bobblehead overtakes

[bobblehead]

Thanks guys. I've put a lot of thought into it, and what I'm going to do is put some OSB down over the back over my 330g ICB tanks, stack up some cinder blocks, and make a shelf for 4 27g tough totes.

I will get this grow running itself eventually... and smash the gpw's... and be completely honest about how I got there. I don't wanna jinx it, but the stems on my cuts are starting to fatten up and harden off, so roots have to follow soon... and most of my seeds made it. I was advised to use 1-2" of perlite on top of my coco to prevent damping off, and it worked. I only had damping off on the pots w/o a perlite top-dressing.

 

[reddy1]

i'm slightly confused about the idea for a secondary rez with blumats. is that so if one of the drippers comes loose or fails somehow, it won't drip 330 gallons of water on the floor? or is it because it's easier to elevate a smaller container for that blumat gravity magic to happen? kind of tough for you to get it really high up for these vertical grows you're doing. is there some kind of formula for volume of water, height above and quantity of drippers for this to work properly? let's see what you do with these. i wonder what you'll think of the subtle drip frequency of the blumats vs. the traditional pumps and timers.

i'm always excited about what you're doing next. great thread.

great job on the last run! looking forward to the sativas getting harvested.

 

[Shcrews]

i'm slightly confused about the idea for a secondary rez with blumats. is that so if one of the drippers comes loose or fails somehow, it won't drip 330 gallons of water on the floor? or is it because it's easier to elevate a smaller container for that blumat gravity magic to happen?

i think that's it. hard to hang a big reservoir 6 feet in the air

 

[MIway]

Thanks guys. I've put a lot of thought into it...

I will get this grow running itself eventually... and smash the gpw's... and be completely honest about how I got there.

damn dude... gone for a week & a bunch of gals dehydrated to dead...???

maybe the goal is the problem... get it running itself eventually. why is that the goal bro? especially when you have the time... and energy... to do the work yourself, where nothing can/will fuck up? unless you have all the time & money in the world to wait out all the problems...???

and is the goal gpw averages? or to grow a lot of dank? cuz to me, who cares about the averages if you aren't pulling down enough weight?

just kills me to come back & read about another issue bro... must be killing you even more. but come on man... rather than doing all that work to not do any work... just do the daily work instead. nail it man. stick the landing without any more bullshit, right?

i send this from the best possible place bro. just kills me to read this. just feels like u keep setting u'rself up for more problems. fuck automating... if you do it, then the only thing that can fail is you... and u'r not that guy. so damn dude... get all the rest of that bullshit outta the way... count on u, and only u. guaranteed it'll work out better man. peace.

 

[megayields]

MIway....one thing Bobble is trying to do (correct me if I am wrong here Bobble) is really push the envelope of what is capable in vertical farming...I mean compare it to the breaking of the sound barrier back in the 50's (?) it took attempt after attempt with multiple failures, and even a few death's to finally succeed. When one fly's too close to the sun sometimes their wings get burnt ..wow how cheesy...but their is an element of truth. I really tip my hand to Bobble as he is a pathfinder, explorer going FAR down that rabbit hole to see what happens, in fact he and I were just talking about how many things can go wrong with each run, my last two were not "complete" failures but did not even come CLOSE to the yields I've seen in the past, but I have diversified my (cough) holdings and profit centers so I am not fully concentrated on any one area for my revenue stream, that alone has saved me.

I ** KNOW *** you will break the 2 GPW Bobble....it's only a matter of when.

 

[MIway]

i hear what u r saying mega. thing is, in the mean time... it's also paying the bills & is being count upon for cashflows. rather than trying to push any envelopes, lets fill some first. call it tough love. it really is meant well.

it's just that i know you irl bobble... just kills me man. i have no doubts to your abilities, just maybe the priorities, which seem to be standing in your way. with so much on the line... time to quit fucking abouts. stick this landing bro. peace.

 

[bobblehead]

i'm slightly confused about the idea for a secondary rez with blumats. is that so if one of the drippers comes loose or fails somehow, it won't drip 330 gallons of water on the floor? or is it because it's easier to elevate a smaller container for that blumat gravity magic to happen? kind of tough for you to get it really high up for these vertical grows you're doing. is there some kind of formula for volume of water, height above and quantity of drippers for this to work properly? let's see what you do with these. i wonder what you'll think of the subtle drip frequency of the blumats vs. the traditional pumps and timers.

i'm always excited about what you're doing next. great thread.

great job on the last run! looking forward to the sativas getting harvested.

yeah man, it's a lot safer to keep the big res on the ground... and you need gravity or a pressure reducer and pump for the blumats to work right.

i think that's it. hard to hang a big reservoir 6 feet in the air

damn dude... gone for a week & a bunch of gals dehydrated to dead...???

maybe the goal is the problem... get it running itself eventually. why is that the goal bro? especially when you have the time... and energy... to do the work yourself, where nothing can/will fuck up? unless you have all the time & money in the world to wait out all the problems...???

and is the goal gpw averages? or to grow a lot of dank? cuz to me, who cares about the averages if you aren't pulling down enough weight?

just kills me to come back & read about another issue bro... must be killing you even more. but come on man... rather than doing all that work to not do any work... just do the daily work instead. nail it man. stick the landing without any more bullshit, right?

i send this from the best possible place bro. just kills me to read this. just feels like u keep setting u'rself up for more problems. fuck automating... if you do it, then the only thing that can fail is you... and u'r not that guy. so damn dude... get all the rest of that bullshit outta the way... count on u, and only u. guaranteed it'll work out better man. peace.

ha ha... I thought of you bro when this happened... I said "MIway told me so!"

I hear ya on being there. I actually went back 4 days later to find the dead plants. I would also like to reintegrate into society one day and be able to have people over my house w/o worrying about the door getting kicked in. I've had my door kicked in on 2 separate occasions. Living near the grow isn't any good either imo, b/c people will just follow you until you go to the grow house. Too many people know I grow weed. Nobody knows where.

It's all risk vs reward for me. You would rather throw a sub-par crop in the fire than have it associated with your name. I'm okay with saying I messed up a little and get a little less. I'm successfully doing what I set out to do, it's just not going as well as I would like yet. I'm pretty confident that these blumats are going to solve the automation puzzle. I mean everything else is covered, except for the cooling in the summer, and I have the equipment so I don't anticipate a problem.

I'm done trading clones... So once the grow is clean, it should stay that way. This is Michigan though, and my house in in farmville... so I'll have to stay on preventative maintenance... but that's just a normal part of growing.

If I don't get to 2.5gpw b/c I'm only there once a week, then so be it. The trade off is that I have 5 or 6 days a week to invest in other endeavors w/o having my mind on the grow. it's taking some extra time and money to figure out what works though. I'm a stubborn SOB. I appreciate your insight and experience, so don't think I'm brushing you off... I hate when people dismiss my good advice. I'm just obsessive about things, and if I'm at the grow every day, it consumes me. It's all I think about.

I can always keep a legal grow at my place of residence... but I would keep it much much smaller. Maybe only pull down 1lb a month... ha ha....

I'll be going back tomorrow... No worries, 2x a week visits for 2 days at a time right now.

MIway....one thing Bobble is trying to do (correct me if I am wrong here Bobble) is really push the envelope of what is capable in vertical farming...I mean compare it to the breaking of the sound barrier back in the 50's (?) it took attempt after attempt with multiple failures, and even a few death's to finally succeed. When one fly's too close to the sun sometimes their wings get burnt ..wow how cheesy...but their is an element of truth. I really tip my hand to Bobble as he is a pathfinder, explorer going FAR down that rabbit hole to see what happens, in fact he and I were just talking about how many things can go wrong with each run, my last two were not "complete" failures but did not even come CLOSE to the yields I've seen in the past, but I have diversified my (cough) holdings and profit centers so I am not fully concentrated on any one area for my revenue stream, that alone has saved me.

I ** KNOW *** you will break the 2 GPW Bobble....it's only a matter of when.

Mega, thanks for the defense, but MIway is the best grower I know... period. He just wants to help me be all I can be as a grower. He's seen a lot of different systems malfunction, and advocates hand watering every day. His results speak for themselves... Although I'm anticipating some nice lab results myself.

 

[megayields]

Oh I know Miway had your back bro please excuse me if I came of defensive, it was not meant that way at all. I just have mad respect for what your trying to do...and I am possibly a "little" protective of my friends!

No problem MIway! I in NO way was trying to get in your grill brutha!

 

[reddy1]

you'll be more efficient if it works like you want it to but not necessarily richer if you don't figure it out real soon. i think your best bet is blasting 15k at each spot and happily paying your bills on time.

will gpw matter that much when this is passed in michigan in november?


A Petition to amend the Michigan Constitution, Article 1, to add:
Article 1 Section 28. Repeal of Marihuana Prohibition.

For persons who are at least 21 years of age who are not incarcerated, marihuana acquisition, cultivation, manufacture, sale, delivery, transfer, transportation, possession, ingestion, presence in or on the body, religious, medical, industrial, agricultural, commercial or personal use, or possession or use of paraphernalia shall not be prohibited, abridged or penalized in any manner, nor subject to civil forfeiture; provided that no person shall be permitted to operate an aircraft, motor vehicle, motorboat, ORV, snowmobile, train, or other heavy or dangerous equipment or machinery while impaired by marihuana.

 

[bobblehead]

you'll be more efficient if it works like you want it to but not necessarily richer if you don't figure it out real soon. i think your best bet is blasting 15k at each spot and happily paying your bills on time.

will gpw matter that much when this is passed in michigan in november?


A Petition to amend the Michigan Constitution, Article 1, to add:
Article 1 Section 28. Repeal of Marihuana Prohibition.

For persons who are at least 21 years of age who are not incarcerated, marihuana acquisition, cultivation, manufacture, sale, delivery, transfer, transportation, possession, ingestion, presence in or on the body, religious, medical, industrial, agricultural, commercial or personal use, or possession or use of paraphernalia shall not be prohibited, abridged or penalized in any manner, nor subject to civil forfeiture; provided that no person shall be permitted to operate an aircraft, motor vehicle, motorboat, ORV, snowmobile, train, or other heavy or dangerous equipment or machinery while impaired by marihuana.

I have to disagree with you bro. If that little piece of legislation passes, which I doubt given the crackdown on dispensaries... Clearly the people aren't ready for decriminalization... Anyway, say theoretically it does, then the market here will flood worse than it already is, driving prices even further down. If you're not running an efficient room, you might not make enough money to cover all of your costs should something go wrong.

I have space for more rooms... I'm just waiting to heal up some more before I can do some real work. I can't really carry or lift anything heavy right now. I really have a hard time believing that the 2.5-3gpw harvests are unachievable. I'm having issues left and right lately, and I'm still averaging .75gpw. I hit 1gpw with plant losses from dehydration. With the right strains, and the best feed system available, I don't see why it can't be done with enough clones. I just need to become a better gardener. Veg has always been my weakness, and it's still holding me back. My cloning technique has been corrected, so it's just a matter of time...

At my current location... I've grown over 10lbs in the past year. Imagine what I'm gonna do over the next year with this place that I'm buying...

 

[Ichabod Crane]

I agree if it is passed it will be all about growing with as little hands on as you can get if you want to make any money.

 

[MIway]

If I don't get to 2.5gpw b/c I'm only there once a week, then so be it. The trade off is that I have 5 or 6 days a week to invest in other endeavors w/o having my mind on the grow. it's taking some extra time and money to figure out what works though. I'm a stubborn SOB. I appreciate your insight and experience, so don't think I'm brushing you off... I hate when people dismiss my good advice. I'm just obsessive about things, and if I'm at the grow every day, it consumes me. It's all I think about.

I can always keep a legal grow at my place of residence... but I would keep it much much smaller. Maybe only pull down 1lb a month... ha ha....

I'll be going back tomorrow... No worries, 2x a week visits for 2 days at a time right now.

u'r too kind brother... and i really do mean well... u'r just such good peeps, and the efforts you put forth is exceptionally uncommon... which is why is just kills me to hear/read.

i know you're down a path, have set goals, and are going to accomplish what you set out to do... it's just your character, again, uncommon. granted. but i think the heath model might not serve all the goals you have... the extended goals... finishing school, expanding with property, perhaps start a legit front biz... all the while, it is based upon this little endeavor we have going on amongst us all. it's all predicated upon the anticipated cash flows from the work you are putting in today.

the model is wrong bro... it's not serving you, or your goals, very well... and here's the gist. that model is based upon the illegality of cultivating marijuana... and stealth is a major factor to it's success. you don't do anything that brings unwarranted attention to your biz... you keep your head down, clean cut, doing your thing... as quietly as is humanly possible. one major component of that is low power use... you want to blend in w the neighbors. hence the mandate for maximizing one's gpw averages... want to maximize your results for the limited resources you can devote. and in order to achieve those averages... the ones that makes 2-3 lights really profitable... is to monocrop & run super high numbers.

that's a wonderful model for ny... or chitown... or miami... or vegas... or any place that doesn't afford one criminal protections from the weed. we're not in those places. it is 'legal' for us to do what we do under the total plant counts... that's the new limiting factor, not the low power usage. it's pretty well accepted that the utility companies in medi-states aren't into narcing you out, but rather to collect the 1200 per month cash payments... and that is very true here. so, the power/light numbers isn't the concern... the plant counts are.

who cares about running 2 lights in federal territory... totally dismissing any state criminal protections... yet only being able to pull out 5-7bows when all things are firing... per crop. why not run 18 lights at 4 plants per... and pull 25~30bows per crop? as long as the power gets paid... its all cool in da hood? granted 18 isn't 1200 per month, but you can do 6-8 for that rate... and with those numbers... still maxing out 72 plants total... you can easily hit 1.5 bows per light, and reasonably more... per crop, every crop. in an every other day maintenance program. that's 9-12 on the conservative end... that will always be there. and truth be told... u'r system will be pumping if at 6bows per crop... that's 3per light basically... pretty damn good working averages.

if you run 6-8 horizontal lights, with 72 total plants per set-up. and you can run it however... and get away with 2-5 day intervals. those are very achievable numbers... modest if doing this for a profession. of course you can mono & bump beasters & get the average to it's peak numbers... but it's commercial grade beasters. take the lower working averages... real averages... real easy to achieve... real simple... time tested... and have the uber dank to boot... 9-12 bows per crop, 4x per year... conservatively.

that's a pretty round wheel right there... and u have a positive defense... and there no problem running that power, as long as you have your paperwork (jic) & pay the bill. how much more round does the wheel have to be? and you still have upside potential for efficiencies.

bump multiple 6-8lighters... half as many houses as you planned w the 1800... much less criminal risk... much easier to achieve... and with much more cash flow to dedicate to your plans... school, more houses, a biz, a car... that little hottie on channel 4 weather!

that heath system is modelled pre-medi... it requires the super high plant counts... which is just more work as well. with everything automated... and needing so very many components to work together... invites major catastrophe + the potential for total crop loss. and it just doesn't make sense since power isn't the major concern anymore.

again, how round does the wheel have to be? any way you slice it though... i'll take the bigger wheel, even if it squeaks & isn't in perfect roundness... it's still bigger.

everything you have for plans is predicated on getting the weight... the gross at chop... not the gpw averages based on limiting factors that no longer apply.

yeah medi isn't everything, but it allows you to pull a lot more than before... and 'legally'... with less risk... risk from the bust, risk from a total catastrophe in the run, risk from not meeting your cash flow needs in the end. the sun is shining right now... and before it sets for good... make hay. not the best haymaker system in the world... just the hay... that's what it's all about. fuck the gpw & all the headaches from an automated verti-sog... it's the end weight, which is your ticket to the goals you have.

mad respect to heath & dhf... but we're just playing the same game... with different rules. it's now simply the most lights you can throw at the plant counts... minimizes the risks, maximizes the gross. truly wishing you well brother! peace.

 

[DHF]

I gotta agree with yas MiWay in a lotta ways....Heath nor I`ve ever had a shot at growin legally , so we made do with what we had for the most harvey outta the least wattage ta keep LEO off our ass and it worked.....and furthermore....

I`d liketa apologize to Bobbles for helpin him jump down the rabbit hole feet first and runnin , but I was only tryin ta help max out his returns for future portfolio pkg and retirement benefits.....and admittedly you`ve opened up my eyes to as you said a "different set of rules" butchas gotta stay within plant counts , and that translates into increased vegtime for decreased plant numbers......so see MW....

I cut my teeth on 4 plant rooms pumpin out 10 lbs every rotation and I got sick of the high maintenance fast hydro setup with all the bells and whistles it took to feed the beast , but I already knew from perfect environment that krusty`d beat in my head all those yrs , so any setup I ran was gonna hoon eventually....

Hell ....I`ve only run 3 setups in my life inside , so needless to say I hadta make em produce or I was fucked.....Just been at the right places at the right times and learned from the best , and I`ve only had honorable intentions with what I preach as gospel.....but....

As I`ve said many times , there`s many waysta skin a mule , and if I had the opportunity and financial backing to set up in a med state and roll with what I`ve learned over the yrs....folks would haveta step aside and watch my smoke cuz it`d be on....

If I had a scrip to grow 80 plants , I`d setup 10 locations with 2 flip rooms and 5KW in an X pattern with the plants in a diamond pattern , and use 10KW per location , but only pay for 5KW monthly plus environmental equipment cuz they`re flippin every 12 hrs.....

Set up each room a week apart with a 10 week strain/50/50 non-beaster hybrid preferably , and by the time yas get the last location and 2 rooms set up , you`re harveyin the first location a week apart and replantin....simple...babyshit....even moreso just to have only 4 pick of the litter goin in the bloom rooms every week with blumat maxi`s givin em all they need as they need it....

Bigass smartpots to support rootmass for 2 1/2 lb plants with chickenwire stapled to the ceiling for bondage and domination to open their ass up for airflow and lumen absorption.....

In 10 weeks time , you`re pullin down 10 lbs thereabouts every week from now on good Lord willin and the creek don`t rise , and 520 lbs a yr once shit`s dialed and hoonin ain`t nuthin ta sneeze at , and the icing on the cake is for risk versus reward since yas got all yer shit distributed out in different parts of town so as ta not put all yer eggs in 1 basket , and draw too much attention to any 1 location....

Takes increased vegtime and the perfect hybrid ta do it though , so everyone`s mileage would vary , but if yas only got 2 lbs per light once shit was dialed , that`d still be over 400 lbs a yr and plenty to develop portfolio`s with.....anyways.....

In a depressed economy , I`m sure 10 locations could be gotten for 500 bucks per location and another 5-600 monthly in powerbills for around 10-11 K monthly expenditures directly outta pocket excluding equipment and nutrients....so....

It costs 125-35K per yr operating costs for all 10 locations and at the least once hoonin , even @ 2K per lb if the bottom falls outta the market , that`s still 800K per yr gross , and I know ya`ll ain`t got down to Hell prices , so the bottom line increases exponentially by price per unit......now....

Bobbles `ll tell yas ....ain`t no free lunches and this shit ain`t easy , especially runnin a 1 man show but it`s doable.....and MiWay....

Pretty sure Bobbles asked me way back when bout maintenance free setups so he could spend more time in the real world with his studies , family and shit and that`s prolly why he ain`t been adhering to big plant grows....but dunno...

As said earlier....I`m just here ta help , and since he`s already committed to blumat`s , he`s just that much closer to Nirvana....one way or another cuz that`s my boy.....Never saw more potential in ANYONE than with Bobbles , and I`ve seen a lot jump on the bandwagon and fall by the wayside over the yrs...aight....nuff said from my old ass this day........

MIway....Respect....

Peace....DHF..........

 

[bobblehead]

Jesus FUCKIN Christ I leave for a day or 2 and I get the nightly journal entries... Dear diary... lol I appreciate that both of you took the time to write such long posts. Seriously, that means a lot.

MIway, bro, put down the chemdog haze, cause it's got you twisted if you think I'm gonna hang reflectors in my flower room...

Freds, eat your fuckin apology.

I read your post MIway, on my way out of town... So I've had time to think about it. You're right about making hay, 100%. I should have stayed with 1 level vert tree grows while I experimented with building the vert SOG. Watering on multiple levels is a bitch... But that's not holding me back right now. Russet mites and my impatience to flower are what have ruined that crop in the octagon. Some of the plants are overwatered, 2 are slightly underwatered, the rest are doing perefectly fine. No plant losses. The newest square room was thrown together in a hurry pre-surgery. The watering system I did with one arm. I should have just done a weed donut, instead of using racks, in anticipation of being handicapped.

If anything, my inexperience is showing. I've made stupid mistakes with the fundamentals of cloning... Like how to cut the clone right.. Clones are the most important part of the vert SOG. I've been hit by every bug possible due to trading clones... Just cause I know what to feed the plant doesn't mean I can keep it happy all the time. I do try though...

So, I shouldn't have thrown all of my eggs into the vert SOG basket. This past year, I should have had a weed donut right next to the racks... To guarantee steady harvests should I totally mess up in the racks. Could shoulda woulda... Guess what, I'm buying more ballasts and lamps and I'm gonna grow some plants on the fuckin floor, cause I'm handicap, and I don't have a choice in the matter right now. ha ha... HGO knows this.

Now MIway... Neither you nor I follow the rules. I didn't follow them before I went vert SOG. Every time I did a plant count, I was over 100. Every time. What's the difference after 99? What's the next number? The law only offers protection to those who follow the rules. This isn't Colorado, and the LEO doesn't know what to do. You and I have both experienced this first hand, and we take advantage of the confusion. There is no protection, just confusion. If they offered protection, they wouldn't have been making jokes about me when I just wanted to file a police report when my door got kicked in... I mean what if my landlord wanted to file an insurance claim or something? It was something I had to do, and I had the paperwork for the plants... So yeah, I had the police in my apt right outside the grow. They could see the tent, and they didn't even ask to look inside. Other cops might ask to look, but you tell them no and they have to listen. They have to catch you doing something wrong. Like smoking and driving...

I started growing maybe when I was 19? I think it was my 2nd year living on my own? I didn't have enough to steal then... But man, when I had my first big crop I was proud let me tell ya. I bought a 1,000w switchable magnetic sunsystem IV with a horti EYE... And I wanted to show people what a great grower I was. Well, I didn't get to enjoy that crop. So I learned to keep my mouth shut, and I got paid, except I had this partner leaching off me and eventually he took the profits from and entire grow, so it was time to cut him loose... That meant I had to stop growing for a while. Then one day, I moved out on my own again, and popped some seeds. I grew myself the meds I needed to get patients, b/c then I could grow legally! Now wouldn't that be sweet...

Long story short, my door got kicked in, and I got burned on a bunch of fronts, and these people were getting a free oz a month! WTF!

So... Where do you find patients that don't get a sense of entitlement after a few weeks? Point me in their direction. There are people who truly need cannabis as medicine, and I would gladly give them all of their smoke for free. All of it, b/c they don't need more than 2oz a month. Anyone can get a card, and they should be able to get the protection from the law... but the law needs to offer me protection against the patients. They need to stop raiding my dispensaries so that the medicine can be distributed safely. Until then, this is still very much a quasi-legal market.

I'm stupid for taking the risk to begin with given all the time I've invested in school. What can i say, i always want more. Good isn't good enough, I want great. Growing some pot isn't good enough, I want to be a growing rock star. It's a problem my generation has with wanting to be famous...

So... I'm sure I had a lot of other important things thought up... But now I'm high. I'm not gonna go kill a bunch of plants to get under 99. I'm certainly not licensed for even close to 72 anymore... But nobody but me knows where I grow. I don't have patients who know where I live, showing up at my door unannounced... Blowing my phone up. When the program offers protection, maybe I'll come back. Until then, I'm back underground. Cards are for transportation, so I guess I better not get caught transporting more than I'm licensed to have... but even if I am, nobody but the DEA even looked at my cards, and then they only needed one.... just sayin. I have a system now, where it would be very difficult for me to be caught. Extremely difficult... b/c nobody knows who or where or when.

32 blumats are already on the way. 68 are 2 weeks behind them b/c of shipping delays. Vertical watering problem solved. Pest problems solved. Putting plants on the floor to guarantee steady harvests. Clones rooting.



Thanks guys for caring. I wouldn't be able to do it w/o you.

 

[Mister_D]

Just checking in on ya bob. Glad to see you're still tumbling down the rabbit hole buddy. Stay the course and the rewards are bound to find you. MIway makes a good arguement, and so does DHF, all depends on resources, location, and end goals. Many ways ta skin a mule as freds is so found of saying. Much respect for sharing the journey with us all.

 

[bobblehead]

Just checking in on ya bob. Glad to see you're still tumbling down the rabbit hole buddy. Stay the course and the rewards are bound to find you. MIway makes a good arguement, and so does DHF, all depends on resources, location, and end goals. Many ways ta skin a mule as freds is so found of saying. Much respect for sharing the journey with us all.

Thanks D.

I share the bad along with the good... b/c that's what's going to separate me from Heath. It's impossible to build a grow system from scratch with little prior experience and knock it out of the park... Most people don't want to even bother trying. They're happy making hay.

I won't be happy just being an excellent hay farmer. I'm retiring from stupid large grows in 4 more years. The countdown has begun. When I'm capable of bringing home $100,000+ with my education, why would I risk my freedom doing something illegal? Like I said, I'm stupid for risking it now when I only have 4 years left... but someone has to pay for that education...

The way I see it... MIway and DHF are both right... I don't have to only run 2 8x8 rooms to stay under the radar... I can run 6-8... and at the beginning of the thread, I said that I planned on building 4 in the house, and then loading up the garage... Clearly I'm not too concerned about using a lot of power... but I don't believe that more light = more buds. Reflecting light is a loosing battle. Why are there so many reflectors to choose from? None of them does the job well enough.

Anyway... Just stay tuned... Now that I have cash-flow again... and I'm thinking clearly... bobblefarms are about to do some big things.

 

[reddy1]

I don't believe that more light = more buds. Reflecting light is a loosing battle. Why are there so many reflectors to choose from? None of them does the job well enough.

every room i've ever seen crammed tight, full of bud has had tons of light and most were horizontal grows. reflectors and lots of light do a great job. 1800 watts for 8x8 rooms ain't shit. you could do 3x1k horizontal, with less headaches and probably yield lots more, 1gpw is still a lot, all i'm saying.

i think you should try a vert tree grow with 12 600s and 20+ plants in a 12x12 space. basic equipment setup and build for it. less drippers laying around. less clones you'll have to take and you know veg is less maintenance free growing than flower time.

that's my plan anyways, lazy growing for the busy man.

 

[DHF]

Hey Reddy....What Bobbles is talkin bout is that slingin wattage at plants ain`t gonna make em yield more , and his rooms are inside dimensions 6 x 6 for a perfect 50 watts per sq ft for the record.....actually more wpsft since the walls are chopped and angled....

The outsides are 8x8 but the light only penetrates the inside dimensions and bounces right back at the plants ftw.....and....

Bigger rooms lack reflection where light goes right past the plants and never bounced back sufficiently , have too many darkspots , and absorb/dissipate waaaaaay too many lumens to ever come close to 1 gpw.....

Most flat growers never get above .75 gpw and that`s on a good day , so as you can see horizontal grows have their limiting factors with nowhere near the surface area available to grow in and on with bare bulbs hangin in a dialed vert setup runnin increased plant numbers where1 gpw`s on the low end of the scale with much much room for improvement.......and trust me..

As we speak he`s already hedgin his bets with a floor grow , but yas can bet yer ass it`ll have a bare bulb/bulbs hangin without a reflector in sight with everything that ain`t green covered in reflectix to bounce lumens up down and all around the plants ftw.....anyways....

Smaller dialed rooms pump out the dank....Bigger ain`t better..period...bet on it.....more rooms dialed and hoonin a month or so in age behind the others keeps the ball rollin with more harveys per yr.....guaranteed.....

Hell....Bobbles hit 1 gpw on a flawed run , so I know he`s headed on up......

If usin more wattage under 1 roof`s cool in medville and it don`t alert LEO to your location , that`s 1 thing.......but....

If all yer eggs are in 1 basket then risk versus reward increases risk with reward being the variable instead of calculated risk and spreadin yer shit around so there`s always income to feed the program for future runs.....and....

I know Bobbles has at least 2 locations to hedge his bets and play it smart.....

I`m just paranoid by nature....Hell....I don`t even grow anymore and STILL come to weedsites through a proxy server.......

Ya`ll be careful regardless of where yas are......

Peace....DHF...........

 

[megayields]

Bobble,

I've been ruminating on you and Miway/DHF thoughts. One thing that I learned VERY early on is I cannot live off my main crop due to the many variables you and I are already so aware of. DIVERSIFY young man!

I know your already doing this but I have now about 4 different profit channels all related to MMJ. I also had a real distribution issue and didn;t want to depend on any ONE source to vend my meds so I went VERTICAL....er vertically integrated and created my OWN distribution channel at a higher price point BUT locally (i.e. think delivery service) that way I (i repeat for importance) I control my distribution much more now than in the past. I absolutely hated dealing with the thieves couched as "compassionate care" from my personal experience I saw NO "compassion" only greed. I also have a full time "day" job because at my age I have to have medical benefits, the literally saved my life this last time.

I love your idea of having a bullet proof, crop rotation methodology for nothing more than a steady eddy stream of income, while you "dial in" the high efficiency Bobblepod. It's funny you want to go back to school, I have a degree in Economics, Architectural Drafting, Series 7 , 5 and 3 license (financial services) and AA in Finance and NONE of that education would put a dime into my pocket out here right now....I think your interest in health care though is a different situation and long term will offer a LOT of opportunities and I admire your passion for finishing your degree.

Just some random musings and as always bro, got mad respect for you, btw I have a new manager and I just told him if he EVER gets a load going to MI. I will take it but only if it is headed to your area.

Keep it green and real bro!

 

[bobblehead]

every room i've ever seen crammed tight, full of bud has had tons of light and most were horizontal grows. reflectors and lots of light do a great job. 1800 watts for 8x8 rooms ain't shit. you could do 3x1k horizontal, with less headaches and probably yield lots more, 1gpw is still a lot, all i'm saying.

i think you should try a vert tree grow with 12 600s and 20+ plants in a 12x12 space. basic equipment setup and build for it. less drippers laying around. less clones you'll have to take and you know veg is less maintenance free growing than flower time.

that's my plan anyways, lazy growing for the busy man.

W/e I do, it will be a fresh bobblehead design, and it will be focused on total environmental control, and not just blasting the plant with light. It's like injecting steroids, and then not going to the gym... It won't do you any good.

I still have space in the kitchen... I could move my bed into the reservoir room, and then there's another 10x10 room... That's 4 large rooms and 2 small ones w/o even building out the garage. So it's just a matter of vegging up the plants, healing up, and then building some more rooms.

I have a degree in Economics, Architectural Drafting, Series 7 , 5 and 3 license (financial services) and AA in Finance

You went to school for money Mega. That's how I started... and I saw that most people on the top lie, cheat, and steal to get there. Some are just very good, or are just very good at keeping secrets... But business has no soul. Business tosses you to the side when no longer serve a purpose and it's done with you. I could never love making money for someone else.

That's what sparked my drastic career change, adding several years to my education... But all of the healthcare executives I've rubbed elbows with, and I've met more CEO's, CFO's, and other V.P.'s in the healthcare industry than I can count, all of them have multiple degrees. They all started out going to school for something different than what they were currently doing. When I look into these peoples' eyes, I can see that their minds are constantly racing like mine. Anyway, back to my point... I realized I had better get in where I fit in, and use the connections that I have to get to a better place in life.

When you work in healthcare.. You work to serve people, and if you don't, you should get the fuck out. A lot of people are going to school to be a nurse or an assistant of some sort b/c it pays well. They don't give 2 shits about a person's well being. They just want to make a bunch of money. I don't think that's the majority thankfully. Personally, I'm not in it for the money. I'm in it because I don't believe in God, but I still grew up in the church.... and I believe that w/o the support of your community, you're nothing. When you're gone, you will be forgotten. Good people live forever through the lives they've touched. That's why I do what I do, and I will quit growing commercial crops in 4 years time b/c I wouldn't dare risk my professional licenses. I would hate to have to be in the cannabis industry the rest of my life. That's just me. The growing part isn't easy. The getting paid for growing part is pretty difficult sometimes too.

If all yer eggs are in 1 basket then risk versus reward increases risk with reward being the variable instead of calculated risk and spreadin yer shit around so there`s always income to feed the program for future runs.....and....

If I pay to live there, there's plants growing in a closet at least... ha ha...