4 foot tube 1inch diameter, filled w keif made w dry ice from 22o bag, shoot vector thru a tube about 3/4 full of keif, one can per tube, what else?
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4 foot tube 1inch diameter, filled w keif made w dry ice from 22o bag, shoot vector thru a tube about 3/4 full of keif, one can per tube, what else?
id maybe mix a little bit of bud in the tube with the kief to make it a little bit easier for the butane to get threw and fill the tube up all the way, instead of 3/4 full. also one can butane is not enough for 100g of material. id use atleast 4 cans or untill the butane runs clear for 10-15seconds.
like gw said 20% is low for using kief. some get those numbers using strait bud. with kief id expect atleast 30 - 40% return at least. unless its some really really green contaminated kief.
like gw said 20% is low for using kief. some get those numbers using strait bud. with kief id expect atleast 30 - 40% return at least. unless its some really really green contaminated kief.
100g was total of 3 tubes, each around 33 g..
so i shot one can thru one tube w 33 grams and did that 3 times, butane seemed to be running clear at the end of each can
ya, would like to get that % higher
so i shot one can thru one tube w 33 grams and did that 3 times, butane seemed to be running clear at the end of each can
ya, would like to get that % higher
Do you still have the material?
hey Avi,
how do you dry ice your large quantities of trim? how much dry ice per # of trim do you need?
I want to try this as well as I have a large collection of scraps that need processing.
I think if you start with kief it might be worth it to try out the thermos method and get more contact time and some agitation as opposed to shooting it through a tube.
I found that a frozen mason jar works fine for the thermos part, I drilled a hole to squirt into in the lid and prefreeze the butane.
The mass of the frozen jar will keep the frozen butane from boiling and you can see what's happening.
I would expect a huge yield from kief but there is no telling how much plant matter you had in there so who knows?
its easy to do a second wash with this method, might be worth a try.
good luck!
how do you dry ice your large quantities of trim? how much dry ice per # of trim do you need?
I want to try this as well as I have a large collection of scraps that need processing.
I think if you start with kief it might be worth it to try out the thermos method and get more contact time and some agitation as opposed to shooting it through a tube.
I found that a frozen mason jar works fine for the thermos part, I drilled a hole to squirt into in the lid and prefreeze the butane.
The mass of the frozen jar will keep the frozen butane from boiling and you can see what's happening.
I would expect a huge yield from kief but there is no telling how much plant matter you had in there so who knows?
its easy to do a second wash with this method, might be worth a try.
good luck!
OK my last post was off the topic, sorry... I think what you are asking about is
what everyone calls wax or budder and I think it is somewhat strain dependant.
when I make it I purge over boiling water then go inside and set the dish on a
hot oil radiator room heater thats on high. I scrape it up then work it back and forth
in a thin film to release any solvent but at no time am I whipping it. I work it
for a few minutes then transfer to my storage pyrex. they have some cake pyrex dishes
at my grocery with nice flex lids that keep the aroma of the oil in and the dust out.
my oil goes from this,
to this,
over the course of several days. I suspect that the "drying" is really a type
of crystalization similar to what happens with fudge in the kitchen. My guess is that
it's a process that happens to the plant waxes that come along with the resin. if
I overheat to the point of decarb it stays oily. but the process looks like that to me
with my limited exp (20 runs). I think I use less heat thoughout the process to try to
preserve the flavor.
different stains make different consistencies but it just takes a few days usually for me.
happy oiling!
what everyone calls wax or budder and I think it is somewhat strain dependant.
when I make it I purge over boiling water then go inside and set the dish on a
hot oil radiator room heater thats on high. I scrape it up then work it back and forth
in a thin film to release any solvent but at no time am I whipping it. I work it
for a few minutes then transfer to my storage pyrex. they have some cake pyrex dishes
at my grocery with nice flex lids that keep the aroma of the oil in and the dust out.
my oil goes from this,
to this,
over the course of several days. I suspect that the "drying" is really a type
of crystalization similar to what happens with fudge in the kitchen. My guess is that
it's a process that happens to the plant waxes that come along with the resin. if
I overheat to the point of decarb it stays oily. but the process looks like that to me
with my limited exp (20 runs). I think I use less heat thoughout the process to try to
preserve the flavor.
different stains make different consistencies but it just takes a few days usually for me.
happy oiling!
material that tane was shot thru? yes, should i re shoot it?
still have alot of keif to shoot thru, got to buy butane first, id like to tinker w this process for the next batch.
eloquentsoution
Member
hey, gw, his tubes were 3/4 full. think that the butane could be channeling through the material?
i was thinking further exratraction as well.
If you only yielded 20%, I'm predicting you have a lot left behind, so I would extract it again, but a flow through column is probably not the best choice because of speed and channeling, as ES noted above.
If you wish to stay with butane, you might take a look at brother Jumps post on absolute amber, by which process he is doing his primary extraction soaking material in a chilled thermos to keep the butane liquid for thirty minutes or so.
Waterbelly
Member
Just a quick question GW, does there need to be an exhaust valve in the thermos cap for the spray? Or just one hole for the butane to go in, just spray and cap?
Don't cap it! Pressure will build and violently come out when you open it, leave the cap on loosely, you need to let the pressure escape.
thermos method eh? i'll look over jumps posts, thanks
one note, i def overheated during purging one batch and it stayed oily and would not budder up or get stable but never got over 130 but maybe got2 that temp for a short time, still smokes fine tho.
channelling is def an option that maybe holding me back...
is there any change in my extraction tube that could help? ive considered a larger tube diameter and a less fine screen than a coffee filter, like just using a 60 bubble bag material, any thoughts on that?
next batch: less keif per tube causing less or no buildup and less channeling (hopefully), maybe cut out cofee filter and just use bubble bag material and no stirring whipping or any thing during purge, just a lil low heat and vac purge and patience
we shall see
one note, i def overheated during purging one batch and it stayed oily and would not budder up or get stable but never got over 130 but maybe got2 that temp for a short time, still smokes fine tho.
channelling is def an option that maybe holding me back...
is there any change in my extraction tube that could help? ive considered a larger tube diameter and a less fine screen than a coffee filter, like just using a 60 bubble bag material, any thoughts on that?
next batch: less keif per tube causing less or no buildup and less channeling (hopefully), maybe cut out cofee filter and just use bubble bag material and no stirring whipping or any thing during purge, just a lil low heat and vac purge and patience
we shall see
The air has to escape to let the butane in. I leave the lid loose until the butane is injected and then tighten it down.
A smaller diameter tube would provide less opportunity for channeling, but won't work as well as soaking because of shorter residence time.
If you insulate your tube well and pre chill it, you can keep more of the butane liquid longer for more extraction and slowing down the flow, will work better than speeding it up. That suggests adding more coffee filters within pressure limitations, would work better than less.
But you have a hole in the lid, right? Butane gas also needs to escape as some of the liquid butane will become gas after time.
Good point!
just made a batch, whiped it, heat gun set low for long periods from top and bottom & finished product hard as a rock.... wow
thermos method hijacked the discussion, or it just ended....
