Nutrient Industry-Bottled Organics What you guys think

[cannadiancream]

Hey guys gals, Was wondering what you think about all the new bottle organic lines coming out. The more i look the more i see companys introducing bottled organics or innoculants. Is it finally catching on. The large companys maybe realizing are in a dying industry thats not sustainable. Sometimes i feel like they must be reading the forums lol.
How do these compare to topdressing, or mixing ammendments? So are any of these products superior/ worth the cost more efficient than what we do already. Or do these products go onto the list of products that i dont need and are a waste of money. I also ask cuz i was offered to try the new gh line veganic line up. I wonder about their cal/mag , whats with that isnt that what the lime/ epsom salts, etc be for.

 

[mad librettist]

living soil is s much better choice, but I'd rather see people use organic lines than not!

 

[Iron_Lion]

My recent research tells me that even the most popular "organic" bottle lines are either not truly organic, or a few key parts of the line are not organic which negates even putting the word organic on the bottle.

Anything that says "organic based" or "natural based" is usually not organic.

Organic is just a word used to sell bottles, you have to dig a little deeper to find out the truth.

GO is not fully organic it's organic based, and they wont go into details about their recipe or why they cannot obtain an OMRI listing.

They may make pretty buds but to me they have to be 100% organic or Im not interested.

 

[Scrappy4]

Was wondering what you think about all the new bottle organic lines coming out.

In a couple months i have a new line of dandelions coming out. The plants absolutely love dandelion FPE. It smells like sewer, but the plants really shine using this stuff. Throw in some nettles and comfrey, and the world's your oyster!

If nute companies can make this stuff deoderized and for a dollar per gallon, I'll certainly take a look...lol.....scrappy

 

[joe fresh]

My recent research tells me that even the most popular "organic" bottle lines are either not truly organic, or a few key parts of the line are not organic which negates even putting the word organic on the bottle.

Anything that says "organic based" or "natural based" is usually not organic.

Organic is just a word used to sell bottles, you have to dig a little deeper to find out the truth.

GO is not fully organic it's organic based, and they wont go into details about their recipe or why they cannot obtain an OMRI listing.

They may make pretty buds but to me they have to be 100% organic or Im not interested.

what about Pura Vida?

ive had great results with it in the past....the best feature is the ph, i have never seen my res keep a stable ph for so long...set it to 6.3, and a week later it was 6.5....really stable stuff, but it pretty acidic at a ph of 3.5 after you mix you must add alot of ph up to get it there, but once ph level has been achieved it stays stable

and its omri

Ingredients: Seaweed powder, kelp extracts, alfalfa, molasses, potassium sulfate, epsom salt, solubar, copper sulfate, iron sulfate, manganese sulfate and zinc sulfate.

would these "sulphates" be organic or inorganic?

 

[mad librettist]

flaws are flaws, and everything has them, but at least if people think they are getting organic nutes there is potential for pissed off shoppers getting the real thing

 

[Iron_Lion]

what about Pura Vida?

ive had great results with it in the past....the best feature is the ph, i have never seen my res keep a stable ph for so long...set it to 6.3, and a week later it was 6.5....really stable stuff, but it pretty acidic at a ph of 3.5 after you mix you must add alot of ph up to get it there, but once ph level has been achieved it stays stable

and its omri

Ingredients: Seaweed powder, kelp extracts, alfalfa, molasses, potassium sulfate, epsom salt, solubar, copper sulfate, iron sulfate, manganese sulfate and zinc sulfate.

would these "sulphates" be organic or inorganic?

You see that OMRI on the bottle thats organic enough for me. I dont know much about PV so I dont know if their whole line is organic or not. GO doesnt have an OMRI and they dont plan to get one. I also looked at EJ, and I believe their bloom and grow is organic but Meta K just says "natural based".

I posted an article published by GH about their GO line and they really beat around the bush as to why they dont have an OMRI and why they wont be getting one. My distrust of large corporations leads me to believe if their products were eligible they'd have one or be bragging all the way to the bank that they had a fully organic and certified hydro line.

My main purpose for seeking out 100% options is because I recycle my soil and I dont want anything to jeopardize that as I dont want to have to go back to buying large amounts of soil and then having to dispose of it. If I were to pick something up to try and it ruined my soil I'd be pissed. It's so nice not having to shell out $$ hundreds every grow.

 

[joe fresh]

there "whole line" consists of "grow" and "bloom"...thats it...they dont have no additive bottles...

pura vida is made by technaflora a canadian company out of BC

 

[heady blunts]

if you want to grow great organic herb, just do a little research and you'll find that the building blocks for extremely healthy living soil are all around you, and that mixing a good living soil is ultimately easier and cheaper than messing around with all the overpriced garbage being pushed at your local hydro shop--OMRI certified or not.

please see the "RANT" link in my sig for my full appeal to organic noobs.

 

[habeeb]

some is better then none, right?

I honestly think the organic section needs to be divided into a more "bottled" section , and a more hardcore to the extreme section. both " organic" in my eyes, but two very different styles of growing, and then have there sets of talks..


as long as the strive is made for "organic" that's all that matters, don't expect a rush in things anyways. good things take time, or else its really not that good if it can be achieved so fast...

my thoughts..

 

[bigAl25]

Anybody used Alaska organic fertilizer. I just purchased the 5-1-1 for veg. They have a bloom fertilizer also. Priced very reasonable.

 

[raypack]

It depends where you live, but for me getting a bottle of say BioBizz Bio-Bloom is much easier than sourcing a whole lot of all kinds of amendments, including animal feces imported from the other side of the world. People keep telling me I should liberate myself or whatever but I dunno man. I just don't see the liberation. So I just buy a little bit of new soil to mix with the old soil and, yes shame on me or whatever, bottles. I would like to try the other way too, maybe in another location and with more time "when I'm retired". They should sell some kinda easy to use amendment mix at hydro stores, people would love it they could "just add water" (EASY!) and then brag about their organic skillz.

 

[guest2012y]

The word "organic" need to be redefined...period. There's too much of an open ended spectrum on what that actually means to various people. I use products that I consider honestly organic.

 

[Scrappy4]

It depends where you live, but for me getting a bottle of say BioBizz Bio-Bloom is much easier than sourcing a whole lot of all kinds of amendments, including animal feces imported from the other side of the world. People keep telling me I should liberate myself or whatever but I dunno man. I just don't see the liberation. So I just buy a little bit of new soil to mix with the old soil and, yes shame on me or whatever, bottles. I would like to try the other way too, maybe in another location and with more time "when I'm retired". They should sell some kinda easy to use amendment mix at hydro stores, people would love it they could "just add water" (EASY!) and then brag about their organic skillz.

The difference might be like the difference between micky D's food and that you grew yourself. Micky D is quick and easy for sure, and growing your own takes sweat and planning. There is a cost involved either way. I know what way I want.....scrappy

 

[Green Supreme]

Organic in a bottle. Few things sound lazier to me. Few things are easier to mislead folks with, as well. If this is the way folks want organics, you get out what ya put in. Good luck. Peace GS

 

[Iron_Lion]

some is better then none, right?

I honestly think the organic section needs to be divided into a more "bottled" section , and a more hardcore to the extreme section. both " organic" in my eyes, but two very different styles of growing, and then have there sets of talks..


as long as the strive is made for "organic" that's all that matters, don't expect a rush in things anyways. good things take time, or else its really not that good if it can be achieved so fast...

my thoughts..

Bottle talk is something you can get everywhere, it's the science that sets the IC organics forum apart from the rest.

One of my biggest pet peevs is when you see someone calling their buds organic but they used some "organic based" chemical fert and not real organic materials.

75%, 90%, is not organic, all or nothing. Might be great bud but its not organic.

 

[mad librettist]

It depends where you live, but for me getting a bottle of say BioBizz Bio-Bloom is much easier than sourcing a whole lot of all kinds of amendments, including animal feces imported from the other side of the world. People keep telling me I should liberate myself or whatever but I dunno man. I just don't see the liberation. So I just buy a little bit of new soil to mix with the old soil and, yes shame on me or whatever, bottles. I would like to try the other way too, maybe in another location and with more time "when I'm retired". They should sell some kinda easy to use amendment mix at hydro stores, people would love it they could "just add water" (EASY!) and then brag about their organic skillz.

I'm always telling people "get your feces from your own damn hemisphere!"

 

[habeeb]

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[TLoft13]

if you want to grow great organic herb, just do a little research and you'll find that the building blocks for extremely healthy living soil are all around you, and that mixing a good living soil is ultimately easier and cheaper than messing around with all the overpriced garbage being pushed at your local hydro shop--OMRI certified or not.

please see the "RANT" link in my sig for my full appeal to organic noobs.

Bottled organics are still nice for those of us who prefer hydroponics. Asked myself the same question as the OP, what's legit, and how can we know for sure!?

 

[VerdantGreen]

lets get real about this. the reasons why so many folks at the organic forum hate bottles are largely idealogical - they see bottled organics as representing a capitalist construct that they disapprove of. many of the growers that make sweeping statements about these products will have never actually used them so most comments on the actual results they give will be made out of prejudice rather than experience.
Generalizations by their very nature are often inaccurate. there are so many products out there.
someone gave me a bottle of 'B.A.C bloom stimulator' - in dollars it would have been over $100 for 300ml - it seemed to make no difference whatsoever to my plants which were already healthy and my soil complete.
at the other end of the scale i do sometimes use simple organic 'grow' and 'bloom' bottles to supplement my living soil. they are pretty cheep - 10-15$ a bottle and do the job well ime. perhaps i could mix seaweed and molasses and a few other things to get the same effect and do it slightly cheeper but the convenience is useful to me.

one very valid criticism made is that it's questionable whether some of these products are actually organic - so make sure you check that they are organic by whatever definition satisfies you.

VG