What Nutrient/Additive is being used that's giving me Stomach Cramps and Backaches??

[Hydro-Soil]

I would say Floramite or Avid.

Also products like Botanicare Sweet and Bud Candy have Phenylalanine in them. I always thought that was a fucked up chemical that causes problems. I could be wrong.

Not sure but it does have that 'sweet' taste that's not cannabis... so I'm leaning towards something like those... weird kinda sweet.

Other products like Gravity or Bushmaster have banned chemicals that arent allowed on food grade crops. Actually, a lot of stuff targeted at the indoor cannabis growing market isnt allowed on food crops. Hmmmmm.

I know it isn't paclobutrazol from gravity or whatnot... Definitely not compact, non-smelling bud.


Women say it makes them feel like they're having PMS cramps.

Believe me... doing everything I can to source differently. Had already gone elsewhere and when stuck.... grabbed what was offered, which was some from a buddy grower of theirs... not the original I had issues with. Wow... pain off the charts!

Thanks for contributing...

Stay Safe!

 

[FISH4250]

DID U RUN OUT OF YOU VICODIN OR FORGET TO TAKE THEM OR ITS PERIQAUT

 

[Hydro-Soil]

DID U RUN OUT OF YOU VICODIN OR FORGET TO TAKE THEM OR ITS PERIQAUT

I DON'T TAKE PILLS! BUT I HAVE BEEN TAKING ASPRIN LATELY TO HELP WITH THE BACK ACHE. SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT'S PERIQUAT BUT APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP.

Stay Safe!

 

[supermanlives]

no help. but good luck. glad i grow all my own.

 

[Budweiser13]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvUz5fTw3fI

 

[Hydro-Soil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvUz5fTw3fI

That's a good vid, thanks for the link.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I'm almost convinced it's one or another of these new flushing agents that are being pushed.

The same sick-sweet, non-cannabis flavor seems to be present in all of them to one degree or another. Just took a few hits off of someone's glass bat the other day... instant stomach and back ache. I'm pretty sure my exposure has reached an irritation point where it doesn't take much to re-aggravate my issues with it.

Found issues with a sack of cannabis from another source as well that used to be fine.


I do have halfway decent meds at the moment. At least one grower around here isn't completely worthless... bat-shit, but not worthless. LOL

Stay Safe!

 

[TribalSeeds]

I picked up some 818 Kush a few months back at a clinic that tasted like fabric softener, burned hot as hell and gave me a headache. The funny thing is that was their "top shelf". I just tossed it out and wont be going back

 

[Midnight]

Most likely you are smoking pesticide. That's why I grow my own!

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I hear you Tribal... only picked up good meds from a select few dispensaries in Cali when I was there. Overall the dispensary thing is just bad.

Most likely you are smoking pesticide. That's why I grow my own!

Actually... I'm familiar with the low-level backache from conventional miticides... there's a local grower around here I stopped getting meds from 6 months ago because of consistent backaches.

This is something new... the miticides don't have that sickly-sweet taste that I'm getting. Considering the push that's been going on for a while with the clearing agent companies... I'm not surprised I'm finding this in more grows as it fits. Not convinced but believe it's narrowed down from the taste.

 

[MrBill1969]

big year for mites and slugs on the left coast. had someone more or less local peddling "medicine" that had been douched in Azamax 2-3 days before cutting -- vile flavor on the one taste that I took.

My bet is on pesticides too.

 

[The Bling]

dude i bet its a pgr

 

[TheBioMaster]

I don't think sm-90 is systemic. I believe it's just like coreander oil and some other oils to act as a wetting agent.

I assure you SM-90 is a systemic product. We test main stream products and have been since 2005. SM-90 was in the top 5 most misued products from our collected data. You are not the only one who does not "think" SM-90 is systemic. This is a VERY common assumption. Most do not even know or understand what a systemic product even is or what is does and how it functions as related to plant biology.

People also do not "think" an additive for blooming called "Pure Flowers" is systemic either. They also do not realise the detrimental side affects from using such a product on a crop that will be consumed by humans. This product was another one we tested which produced some alarming test results to say the least........just a FYI


I suggested to the OP a sample analysis which would have long and easily solved this mystery and would tell you everything that is in the sample and also the concentration values. From that list it would be very easy to find the offending source.

 

[festivus]

I've got pretty severe degenerative disease in my spine. When I smoke a strong sativa, there are times when almost immediately, I get intense low back pain that makes me want to lie down. Makes me wonder if there's an element in those sativas that goes after the disease. The weird thing is not knowing if it's a good or bad thing, but it usually passes fairly quickly.

But with the stomach upset, it sounds more like a nute/flushing issue.

 

[firehound]

organics much much safer.imo. I spray golf courses W/fungicides,growth regulators,fertilizers...etc.heck they even ask me to control earth worm populations....which is super riduculous imo. its a great day when i put on a full body suit respirator,load up chems in the tank roll out on the course post my sign. go to spraying greens or whatever is needed.heres my favorite part(most all these really rich snotty golf members) see what im wearing.pack up their clubs and head for the clubhouse or the car after paying dues and daily fees. lol>seakelp is a natural growth regulator many others too.I hope the situation gets better for you. hunt down organic grown weed your body will thank you.....maybe even your tongue will! good day

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I've got pretty severe degenerative disease in my spine. When I smoke a strong sativa, there are times when almost immediately, I get intense low back pain that makes me want to lie down. Makes me wonder if there's an element in those sativas that goes after the disease. The weird thing is not knowing if it's a good or bad thing, but it usually passes fairly quickly.

But with the stomach upset, it sounds more like a nute/flushing issue.

I'm thinking you're experiencing what I am. It's grower specific, not strain as I've sampled plenty of 'different' strains from growers that all taste the same and give me that issue. Improperly flushed (not 'leeched', meaning excessive amounts of water poured through the medium) and yeah.... most likely pesticide residues.

Some stuff tastes like pyrethrins and hurts just my back... other things hurt both my back and stomach... thinking the stomach is something else.

Stay Safe!

 

[schwilly]

There is a specific smell, almost like a sweet coffee/vanilla smell that I have come across several times in the past few years. Always mass produced bud. Every time I've smoked affected buds I feel kinda shitty.

For a while I thought it was just genetic coincidence until I ran into an aquaintance a few months ago that strictly cash crops in colorado. All his varied strains had this smell, and all were generic looking like the buds I've seen with this smell before. Makes me think it's some sort of pgr.

this guy also just sorta coexists with constant mite problems so it could also be something he uses for that. zero respect for him as a grower any more. he used to be so good.

oh and i kept making up excuses and disappearing to avoid smoking his shit.

 

[Rukind]

for flushing, just use clearex. It is only sugar water. If you use 3 gallons of soil, flush with about 2 gallons of ro water with clearex in it (10 to 15ml) about a week or 2 before harvest. then only use plain ro water from there on out.

clearex works by matching the ppm of your nutrient solution so it will not shock the plant and it will release all the ions.

I only use azamax and pyrethium bombs. root drench with azamax and pyrethium for folliage. I have only had to use them once in my 4 years of growing.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I assure you SM-90 is a systemic product. We test main stream products and have been since 2005. SM-90 was in the top 5 most misued products from our collected data. You are not the only one who does not "think" SM-90 is systemic. This is a VERY common assumption. Most do not even know or understand what a systemic product even is or what is does and how it functions as related to plant biology.

People also do not "think" an additive for blooming called "Pure Flowers" is systemic either. They also do not realise the detrimental side affects from using such a product on a crop that will be consumed by humans. This product was another one we tested which produced some alarming test results to say the least........just a FYI

I suggested to the OP a sample analysis which would have long and easily solved this mystery and would tell you everything that is in the sample and also the concentration values. From that list it would be very easy to find the offending source.

Probably just going to show my ignorance here but what the hell. Aren't all nutes and wetting agents systemic...isn't that the point?

 

[firehound]

Not really but close. systemic means it travels within the plant . wetting agents help liquid materials penetrate the soil and hold more water through-out. surfactants help disperse droplets of water flow over a leafs surface or stems. either way certain chems have a( PHI) "pre-harvest interval." the amount of time that is needed for harmful chems or insecticides to fade or lose their effectivness. be fore any crop is consumed or smoked, all this is (IN GENERAL) information. very sorry to hear about your pain and this problem with the meds your using.this is why i grow my own weed,veg,flowers,