what guard dog with MY CHILDREN?

[Yah`mon]

I don't really think its snake oil.

I couldn't post everything on the site. They work with you, and you need to put in work yourself with the dog.

Are you saying it's not possible to train dogs as such? It's the same training lots of police K9's get. You just need to find the correct professional. This guy won't accept lots of dogs based on temp/etc snake oil people love taking your money.

Also a properly trained guard dog won't kill anyone on accident. Have you seen police trained dogs around a classroom full of children? Same concept.

It would be much better to have someone with world class experience help you learn to handle such a dog, then do it yourself imo.... that's when someone will end up getting killed.

Yah`mon

 

[Midnight Rudy]

nice looking pup

Good Luck!

 

[moresntoil]

I couldn't rep you on your remaining responses, but IMO, you're spot on with ALL of it. You must be reading the same training books I am. This is my opinion.........this stuff about "guard" dog confuses the hell out of me. As far as I'm concerned, if you treat your dog with the same love he gives you, why the hell do you need him to "guard" you? Hes gonna do that AUTOMATICALLY. Hell, I got a 11 year old Chihuahua that "guards" my home like no other. All I need my dog to do is BARK when someone is coming. I can take it from there. All of you who want that GUARD dog....as soon as she/he bites somebody, you've lost them because the authorities will want to take them from you. Every dog mentioned in this thread for "guard" purposes has a menacing stature - THAT is what intimidates people - SIZE. When my little lady barks at people, they laugh at her. If that was a shepherd, dobie, rot, akita, or Pit , people would be a lot more intimidated. The dog could be a pussy, who knows, but the size alone would be enough to consider. Again, all I want my dog to do is bark. I can take it from there.

I understand what your saying. You do need to realize not everyone is medically/physically capable of defending themselfs. Also I dont know about you but I sleep very heavy and sometimes dont hear my barking little watch dog/ ankle biter.

I live in an area where breakins can and do happen, so if my families wonderful family pet also protects them so be it!

I have never been a fan of the "big biting" dogs, it was my little watch dog that opened my eyes to the world of all dogs.

...and sure some people should not own a big guard dog and being the extremely dedicated person I am, I dont think Im one of them that should not.

 

[Yah`mon]

Hey vash - we gotta remember dogs were meant to be working animals. They may seem like just the family pet to most, but things such as guarding has been in them for over 7000 years! I think the family "Pet" thing has only been going on for a couple hundred.

I do agree most people would be intimidated by a big dog especially with breeds that have bad raps.

That said, with expert training dogs can be taught just about anything.
I wouldn't personally try to train my own dog for such purposes though, as I don't consider myself qualified to do so. Neither are 95% of "dog trainers" out there.

Here's an interesting tidbit.

Personal Protection/Estate Protection Dogs, by definition are dogs that will fight a human being at a high level. Protection dogs are required to not only bite, but have a high pain threshold and inherent courage. A true personal protection dog needs to be solid on the inside and out and lack major fear (nerve issues). Fear driven dogs can be taught to bite, although they present a danger to the public, however, fearful dogs will never remain in a tough fight. A true personal protection dog is free from major fear issues and feels comfortable around crowds and people. A true personal protection dog only behaves aggressively, under the proper circumstances or, on command


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Making a "guard" dog is all about having the correct dog (not just breed but other traits)

That why I think it's good to contact an expert when it comes to training at this level.

Yah`mon

 

[HaroldsHomeboy]

A lot of good info in this thread, I've been mulling over what kind of dog to get for a little while now. I had a German Shepherd growing up and was planning on getting one but after reading this thread and watching some videos on youtube I'm also considering an Amstaff. Does anyone have any experience owning both breeds at the same time?

 

[SOTF420]

Personal Protection/Estate Protection Dogs, by definition are dogs that will fight a human being at a high level. Protection dogs are required to not only bite, but have a high pain threshold and inherent courage. A true personal protection dog needs to be solid on the inside and out and lack major fear (nerve issues). Fear driven dogs can be taught to bite, although they present a danger to the public, however, fearful dogs will never remain in a tough fight. A true personal protection dog is free from major fear issues and feels comfortable around crowds and people. A true personal protection dog only behaves aggressively, under the proper circumstances or, on command

You could have just said well trained pitbull my good man

 

[mrdizzle]

I have a french mastiff, extremely protective and extremely good with children

 

[hamstring]

Really? I am not making up these attacks.
How do you explain this one?
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/08/darla_napora_pregnant_pit_bull.php

You are choosing to ignore what you don't want to see.
Google pit bull attacks on children and see how many hits you get.
Google "pictures of children bitten by pit bulls".
Gruesome!
In my city, there have been a number of attacks on people by pits.
Maybe much of the responsibility lies with the owners, but how much consolation is that to parents of children maimed or killed?
Cocker Spaniels are the biteingest dogs, but when a Cocker Spaniel bites you, not much damage is done.
The same can't be said for pits.
When they bite, someone's going to be badly injured or killed.
The pictures don't lie.
Pit bulls can be very sweet.
They also can be very dangerous, and therein lies the problem.
When was the last time you heard of a poodle killing someone?
Never!

You want to find out how dangerous a pit bull is go to your local dog pound and ask to see the dogs because you are looking to adopt. Walk in look around it is 85% pit bulls. Stand puzzled and then go out and ask why.

Here is the reason first because pits are the number one breed in the US and bought for status reasons. I see 10 pits for every other breed in my neighborhood being walked by some young kid (A kid to me is anyone under 30).
Ask what the second reason is and they will tell you they are not allowed to adopt any dog that will fear bite or basically bite at all. They euthanize all dogs that bite and they test every single dog before adopting. The reason pits are up for adoption is because you can beat the fucking shit out of them and they will not bite you they are animal aggressive not people aggressive.

Just like all the info on the Internet your search will always bring back what you want to find. Pits have the most fatal attacks on humans I don’t deny that but it has to do with the physical stature of the dog not because they are aggressive to humans. GSDs (German Shepard’s) account for the most dog bites every year.

Please before you call me wrong walk into any semi large city pound (100k people and over) and ask the questions I just told you see what they say about pits. My whole family owns GSDs I know you thought I would say Pitbulls, no and the reason why they are not good protection dogs by nature.

 

[Yah`mon]

That's true sotf!

Pitbulls are def one of these breeds.
Also Belgium Malinois, Dutch Shepherd Dog, German Shepherd Dog, American Bulldog, Doberman Pincher, Bullois Dog, Rottweiler. Are some excellent candidates.

Yah`mon

 

[Smokin Joe]

My dog of choice these days is a Black Mouth Cur. For all the above reasons of a pit bull. I have been a breeder of conformation show dogs in the past. At that time I was breading pit's. Out of 9 years in the project I only had 3 pups that I had to put down after giving them a fair chance. They were just plain nutz from the time they hit the ground. That will happen in most any breed of dogs. The reason I choose the BMC these days is they will protect anything on your place. And hunt anything you want to hunt. They are very smart and will pick up on what you expect of them. They will protect you chickens but if 1 of you neighbors chickens comes to visit it's game over. I'm still kinda new to the BMC and not into breeding them at this point. But this has shown to be true with with the 2 that I have had on my farm. They were older dogs that I got from a shelter. But didn't take them long to learn what I wanted them to do. Will be getting a new pup in a few months maybe.

 

[HaroldsHomeboy]

Has anyone ever owned a German Shepherd and Amstaff at the same time, or know someone who has? Do the breeds generally get along well with a capable owner?

 

[Yah`mon]

I think your best option may be to ask the breeder their opinion.

It would also probably be easier getting the pups at the same time, so they grow up together. (easier on them not you)

Yah`mon

 

[HaroldsHomeboy]

Haha, IF I go that route it wouldn't be for a while now, just bouncing ideas off people. I was almost thinking getting the German Shepherd first might be a good idea so it can show the Amstaff the ropes.

 

[Mister_D]

I raised dobermans and rotts while growing up, and I can say IMO without a doubt dobbies are the best family oriented guard dog out there.
1.They are insanely smart, sometimes a bit too smart for their own good
2. Easily trained even if you're not a pro. Did I mention they are smart?
3. They have unflinching loyalty for there family, and will protect them at all costs. Just show them love and they will give it back 10 fold.
4. Zero fear of danger. I had two armed men break into my house years back. My dobbie ripped one of the guys throat out, and took three shots from a 9mm before doing the same to the other guy. That was probably the saddest day of my life because I lost her to those assholes. Granted neither of them survived, or got to steal anything. I did lose a part of my family. Point is you have to kill a dobbie to stop it from protecting it's family, and they're not easy to kill.
5. They instinictively know who is ok in the house and who isn't. As a rule anybody my dog doesn't like, I don't like either. This rule has been tested, throughly. Needless to say I don't break it any more.
6. Both german and russian military used them for many years as protectors.
7. They share the same puppy-like playfullness as a boxer throughout their life, and tolerate ruff kids no problem.
8. There is a sign on my front gate with a picture of a dobbie that says "we can make it from the door to the fence in 2.5 seconds, can you?" The fastest olympic track star in the world couldn't out run a dobbie FACT.
9. Short hair and they don't shed alot.

 

[FreedomFightr]

The Best dogs to have around kids hands down is the Staffordshire(pitbull). They love kids. Look at the lil ******s what was petey? A Pitbull. Pitbull have a high thresh hold for pain. Which is good around little kids. When my 2 year old is hanging from our poor dogs ear and doesnt bite him thats a sighn of good temprament. Dont believe the hype about how they are viscous and you cannot trust them around lil kids. That is pure BS. Get a Pitbull from a reputable breeder as a pup and just love him/her. It will grow up to be the best dog you ever had I promise you from a father to another father.

 

[Guest3498]

I raised dobermans and rotts while growing up, and I can say IMO without a doubt dobbies are the best family oriented guard dog out there.
1.They are insanely smart, sometimes a bit too smart for their own good
2. Easily trained even if you're not a pro. Did I mention they are smart?
3. They have unflinching loyalty for there family, and will protect them at all costs. Just show them love and they will give it back 10 fold.
4. Zero fear of danger. I had two armed men break into my house years back. My dobbie ripped one of the guys throat out, and took three shots from a 9mm before doing the same to the other guy. That was probably the saddest day of my life because I lost her to those assholes. Granted neither of them survived, or got to steal anything. I did lose a part of my family. Point is you have to kill a dobbie to stop it from protecting it's family, and they're not easy to kill.
5. They instinictively know who is ok in the house and who isn't. As a rule anybody my dog doesn't like, I don't like either. This rule has been tested, throughly. Needless to say I don't break it any more.
6. Both german and russian military used them for many years as protectors.
7. They share the same puppy-like playfullness as a boxer throughout their life, and tolerate ruff kids no problem.
8. There is a sign on my front gate with a picture of a dobbie that says "we can make it from the door to the fence in 2.5 seconds, can you?" The fastest olympic track star in the world couldn't out run a dobbie FACT.
9. Short hair and they don't shed alot.

Hell yeah man dobbies, rotts, and shepherds. The germans know how to breed guard dogs that's for sure.

 

[Tom Hill]

Hi,

A good working dog is like an elite clone, one not likely to obtain one simply by buying this or that breed - all such talk is plain ignorance. Even within good working lines, good dogs are few and far between. Working dog breeders simply don't place the best dogs in the hands of neophyte dog folk (and 999% of folks who think they know something about dogs fall into this category).

That being said, your EU bred herding dogs are likely the best hunting grounds for such a dog, and the Malinois usually tops the list. -T

 

[moresntoil]

Nice to see this thread pop up again.
So thought I would give an update on my dobbie that I desided on.
She is 6months now and very active. she lets my kids do anything to her and has never shown a tooth or a growel. Very friendly to everyone I have over. SOOOO friendly that I question whether she may be too friendly???

maybe an example of your point Tom?

when she hears something strange or sees someone outside, she becomes very vocal and growels and barks, but is that all she is capable of?

Yesterday she chewed up my wifes cell phone!! Not cool, wife was less than impressed.

 

[Classy@Home]

Labs - yellow...

Big male - sound like a horse running, you could brake an axe handle on it's head. SMART and really, really good w/ kids...

Dobe's are beautiful dogs too. Built in "Fear Factor", nobody gonna mess w/ it - or you...

Just the bark makes a bad guys balls migrate to throat...

 

[chase]

To bad your wife wont reconsider about the pit .Buly breeds are great with kids #1 recomendation for a watchdog for children.Pits have a bad rap.