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Katsu X Ghost
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THE PABLOS
shit man...I'm scrapping this whole run then. Conversation too deep for me. Anyway...plants look great...male whatevers look like males...female whatevers look like females. The Ghost male whatever worked in OG Jam...I'm mostly positive it will work in this cross as well.
Never encountered any problems with OG Jam...they were bred into my stuff and continue on as I type this....can't say I have any reservations about doing the same with Bubba X Ghost.
Cannabis is a tricky plant and in constant evolution....all I need to know.
Never encountered any problems with OG Jam...they were bred into my stuff and continue on as I type this....can't say I have any reservations about doing the same with Bubba X Ghost.
Cannabis is a tricky plant and in constant evolution....all I need to know.
Tierra Rojo
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What he said.Just flipped a few of these myself. They are big plants and have been cut back a few times due to scheduling issues, and have seen some stress. They are into their fourth week of flower and showing all of zero intersex traits. I'm with Tom on this one. I also have a White X Chem91 "male" I'm workin with, and have zero reservations on using it. We will see. Thanks for these by the way CBF. Paco threw them into the mix recently, and I'm mad stoked on them. I'll get some pics in here soon.
^^^^ glad to hear that paco is spreadin um around, good luck with um.
CBF
CBF
Interesting read.
I understand where you are coming from Tom. You need to use everything you find to see what possible combinations can come from it. You might find something special that only was found because you used what you did. With that theory though you need lots of room to grow out lots of plants. That means if you had a female that was a really tiny yielder and had really weak potency and awful flavor you would still breed with it becuase it could still combine with another plant and the results could be special.
Most people have to select the plants they consider having qualities they are looking for. They don't have space. So most small breeders or hobby breeders are going to eliminate the small yielding, weak potency and foul tasting females and females that had all or mostly all male flowers (like the OP plant has).
IMHO there is no reason to pick that plant. You don't know if it is potent, flavorful or how it yields. It came from a pack of fem seeds so you might as well pick one of it's sisters that you grew out and know yielded well, smoked nice and had good potency and reverse her to get pollen.
Most people have to select the plants they consider having qualities they are looking for. They don't have space. So most small breeders or hobby breeders are going to eliminate the small yielding, weak potency and foul tasting females and females that had all or mostly all male flowers (like the OP plant has).
IMHO there is no reason to pick that plant. You don't know if it is potent, flavorful or how it yields. It came from a pack of fem seeds so you might as well pick one of it's sisters that you grew out and know yielded well, smoked nice and had good potency and reverse her to get pollen.
Hello Ickis, and nice post.
I too understand where you are coming from. However, time and time again it may turn out that this low yielding, weak potency, awfully flavored plant has something paramount to reaching the ultimate potential of any given line and that's a damn good reason. While the other guy breeding by phenotype alone might screw the pooch over and over. Anytime a "male" shows up in a population reached through reversal, guys like Kopite and myself see a plant (an intersex plant) with an overwhelming amount of modifiers causing the plant to lean in that direction. But the fact remains, folks are using these plants with seemingly little to no ill effects. -T
PS - Kopite and I are on the same page if I did not make that clear with earlier postings, I too believe that it would have been preferable to keep selections among "females". But just wanted to kinda make sure we're sure before we start crying foul, and um, we're not sure, most assuredly
I too understand where you are coming from. However, time and time again it may turn out that this low yielding, weak potency, awfully flavored plant has something paramount to reaching the ultimate potential of any given line and that's a damn good reason. While the other guy breeding by phenotype alone might screw the pooch over and over. Anytime a "male" shows up in a population reached through reversal, guys like Kopite and myself see a plant (an intersex plant) with an overwhelming amount of modifiers causing the plant to lean in that direction. But the fact remains, folks are using these plants with seemingly little to no ill effects. -T
PS - Kopite and I are on the same page if I did not make that clear with earlier postings, I too believe that it would have been preferable to keep selections among "females". But just wanted to kinda make sure we're sure before we start crying foul, and um, we're not sure, most assuredly
wrongwrong
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Hello Ickis, and nice post.
I too understand where you are coming from. However, time and time again it may turn out that this low yielding, weak potency, awfully flavored plant has something paramount to reaching the ultimate potential of any given line and that's a damn good reason. While the other guy breeding by phenotype alone might screw the pooch over and over. Anytime a "male" shows up in a population reached through reversal, guys like Kopite and myself see a plant (an intersex plant) with an overwhelming amount of modifiers causing the plant to lean in that direction. But the fact remains, folks are using these plants with seemingly little to no ill effects. -T
PS - Kopite and I are on the same page if I did not make that clear with earlier postings, I too believe that it would have been preferable to keep selections among "females". But just wanted to kinda make sure we're sure before we start crying foul, and um, we're not sure, most assuredly
Yes the fact for me is its still a female, albeit one that has for one reason or another showing less resistance or perhaps trying to survive via a mating, now personally I still have issues with M/F lines and using a "hermie" male,, when I grew out bogs lsd progeny which resulted in an upswing in females and intersexuals it also contained males.. albeit a low number of "males" perhaps they need stessing... I have started Somas NYCD/13 progeny were the parentals were both of these intersex nature it will be interesting to see the results. I personally believe that "males" of these nature should not be used but the supposed oucome should be an intersex free population if they cancel each other out.. I presume with cases like this you have seen this?
Yeah, Ive seen it, and again, it's the background genetics, way moreso than the individual selection, that's giving rise to what we're looking at regarding these QTL's... It just might not be the spot to put into effect cardinal sins in selection methods, if any said rules had us rejecting the otherwise most outstanding individuals it may prove to be a big mistake imo. -T
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Paco
hell, all talk no pics....
here ya go CBF, mo' betta bubba!!!!
had another pheno throw some nuts, meh. good weeds anyway....
here is the one tr had picked out. big long flowers. Huge actually. just the way he likes it.
less talk more walk...
here ya go CBF, mo' betta bubba!!!!
had another pheno throw some nuts, meh. good weeds anyway....
here is the one tr had picked out. big long flowers. Huge actually. just the way he likes it.
less talk more walk...
Sweet lookin plant bro, hopefully smokes well for ya
CBF
CBF
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THE PABLOS
Flowered 6 females 3 males
Flowered 6 females 3 males
The group...they are staggered between 52-67 days. Different stages of extended flush. Couple/few expressions....no intersex...did inline partial pollinations on 4 of them...covering the different expressions.
Flowers....some are coloring up...reek like hell....sticky as hell
My 2 favorites....(days 54 and 52)
All good...wonderful stuff. Thanks to CBF for the opportunity.
Flowered 6 females 3 males
The group...they are staggered between 52-67 days. Different stages of extended flush. Couple/few expressions....no intersex...did inline partial pollinations on 4 of them...covering the different expressions.
Flowers....some are coloring up...reek like hell....sticky as hell
My 2 favorites....(days 54 and 52)
All good...wonderful stuff. Thanks to CBF for the opportunity.
I have 2 s1 males I will be breeding this year. We will see what they produce. I was surprised to find that other breeders are using these s1 males to breed with. The quality of the offspring is outstanding.. Also there is no way some would even know they had a s1 male as they dont express female traits
^^^hehe, followin your thread as well. im startin to believe that certian stressers may be whats exposin these male expressions in female seeds. as paco, seen a few intersexed traits, and pablos sees none, and another grower in pablos thread also has not witnessed the intersexed plants either???
maybe luck of the draw.......
maybe luck of the draw.......
Nice cross, I bred something similar we call GHOSTBUSTER kush, it's ghost og x Katsu bx, the katsu BX we bred is katsu(katsu x ox) Ox is rare dankness pre 98 x katsu Bx aka katsu(katsu x blue moonshine). The offspring is very much katsu dominate, just like the Ghostbuster Kush which I'd say is 70/30 bubba dominate. But the ghost phenos are there and my favorite cut is more 50/50. We kept three cuts, ghost Og Dom, bubba Dom, and the 50/50 cut our favorite. Went through like 10 ox packs tested our 4'best katsu Dom males. My favorite male was practically sterile, but our second favorite worked out perfect. The Ghostbuster is some of my favorite bud and favorite to grow. Yields better then both parents individually and is more potent then each parent. Taste is amazing, our 3 keeper cuts are 10s across the board. Couldn't ask for nicer offspring. Actually I just smoked our blue ox cut aka blueberry bubba. Shit tastes like straight blueberry muffins with strong bubba undertones. Anyway nice work, I've been wanting to reverse the ghost cut on the katsu or visa versa but we lost a lot of our elite mothers including our katsu and ghost cuts. Now we have a s1 ghost cut that is sick, she just finished up and is on par with the original ghost. We found her in a 5 pack of ghost s1s from dr greenthumb. Reminds me of the first Og i smoked back in like 1997/98. lemon pine spice comes to mind, crazy potent. Top 5 strains I've smoked. We're gonna call her ghost OG kasper cut, because originally when I came back from vacation I thought the ghost og s1 was our kasper kush keeper aka ghost og x ghostrider v2, but my boy swapped there places and they looked very similar.
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