Vietnam Black x Thai

[inquest]

Some fall colors.

Some fall colors.

#4, She's coloring up nicely!

#5, Curiously lacking in the color department.....

#1, Green as ever! Loaded with resin, though! The pictures dont do her justice, really.

The girls are under the same lamp, similar sized containers, up-potted at the same time, same amended compost, same temps, everything. The only difference in care/environment between them so far is that #4 had gotten pretty dry while I was away, while the others stayed moist. I wonder if that is what has triggered her to change colors so much more than the others???? At the moment, I'm allowing them all to dry out to test this hypothesis. A few more weeks and I should have my answer. I'm cutting them then regardless, though.

This time around they seem to be maturing faster, at least by the amount of browning out pistils. I need to get in there with my scope and see where the trichs are at....

Hopefully I'll have some more pretty pictures soon.... if my hypothesis proves true.

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[dubi]

Looking very resinous and colorful Some of your darkest plants remember me the most colorful Orient Express - Vietnam Black phenos, you are growing Vietnam Black dominant expressions that's for sure. It's usually better and faster to grow this kind of sativas indoors from clone. It's great to see you all your improvements growing this strain.
Best wishes!

 

[inquest]

Thanks for the well wishes!

Well, I decided to chop 'em today. The two green ones weren't really drying out as fast as I had hoped, so I didn't get to test my hypothesis. :/ Oh well, another time.
I took some close ups of the trichs, to see how they were coming along. I saw just a very few ambers here and there, mostly all cloudy, and one or two clear here and there. I could have let them go longer that's for sure, but I'm getting antsy to try some thing different.

I've got the idea that I would like to take the best girls of my Malawi fems, breed to a few males of my Lebanese, test/select for consistant strong potency and sativa traits, then use this line as a source for known high quality males for future porjects.

My thinking is this: The Malawi fems should be fairly consistant for potency due to the nature of feminised breeding. All of the Lebanese I've grown/sampled (20+ plants) have knocked me and my friends on our asses. If all of the girls have been great, so should've all of the males, therefore, I have consistantly potent male stock. Combining these two should give me very good chances for a high level of consistancy. Then I just select for sativa type high, great vigor, and whatever else might show up!

Dubi, about the Malawi fem. Are these your killer Malawi x itself, or the killer Malawi x another good Malawi?
Plus, once I get good males to choose from I'm planning on working the VBxThai, Malawi fems, Luang Prabang (supposedly, these get HUGE), Green Haze x Thai, and MeKong Haze (Edit:a Cambodian from Delta 9). I'm sure that all this will take years but, I dont plan on croaking anytime soon so I might as well have a hobby!

All the best, everyone!

 

[GP73LPC]

great pics inquest, can't wait for the smoke report

btw, isn't the delta 9 mekong haze a cambodian landrace?

 

[smokefrogg]

inquest those are some beautiful pictures you've shared with us, none of mine have gotten that dark at all, i have allowed the temperatures to get below 60 many times but just not seeing it, i have several minis from the first 2 vietnamese black x thai outside right now and none of those are showing these lovely colors i'm seeing either, it's been down to mid 40s at night recently

i have puffed a bit of #2, it needs some curing time, but these weird coffee type notes are up front in the taste, i can't really put my finger on it, i didn't realize it at first but man that stuff kicked my butt into 4th. gear in the morning, lol i did dishes and laundry and took out trash and turned my giant compost heap and and and hahaha, just banging out chores left and right with a big ass grin on my face...thank you dubi! this is the effect i was looking for, this totally compliments the sour thai that i also grow...(which is a w.o.s. "ko chang" thai, or so they say...lotsa' folks don't trust those guys, but man it is a winner and is super sour rocket fuel)

here is a poor quality picture of #3, i finally transplanted her from her 1/2 gallon empty milk carton planter to a nice 5 gallon smart pot, she is just over a month into flowering

 

[smokefrogg]

umm...yeah i tried to supercrop, the stems are woody, lol, that's why there's piece of bamboo holding that branch on...sorry plants =\

 

[inquest]

Good catch GP73LPC! The Luang is the Loatian. Speaking of, I wish some peeps would do a grow log on the M. Haze as well as the Luang.... It's hard to find any info on these guys! I'm planning to document them once I get around to running 'em but, a grow log from me will be of limited value for an outdoor grower...
So far the only person I've been able to find who has grown the Luang is Kangativa. It didn't sound like he had very many, maybe one reached maturity due to hermis, high was nice but not very notable, but I guess they got big, real big. So they might be a good place to look for exceptional vigor.

 

[inquest]

Dont worry too much about the stem Frogg, it'll heal. Good to hear you've got a compost pile going! Might I suggest a compost "bin" inside your house. A rubbermaid tub is what I use. The warmer indoor temps and the fact that its full of mature compost makes it a great tool for disposing of quick dryed leaves, stems, and root balls.

Also, if you crush the stem between your fingers by rolling it back and forth, like rolling a J, you'll have good success even with woody stems. IME.

I see some nice color to your stems, which has preceded leaf and then bud color on my girls. You've got about two more months to go so I think you may end up with more color. My temps have gotten down around 30F for a few days but most have been nearer 45F. Previous temps were around 50 to 60F, and I still got some nice color. May have been that the soil I used ran out of nutes near the end, too. An idea I picked up from Subcool.

I think #3 will do well in the smart pot for the rest of her cycle. I would also reveg her with 14hr days for 4 to 6 weeks then throw her right back into flower. The larger soil amount will provide a more stable environment for her. I could not save any of my leaves once they started to "go", no matter what I did. Better to not let 'em get to that stage, like my last run. A modular screen, a la VerdantGreen, would be wise as well. I should have used one, that's for sure!!

 

[smokefrogg]

i'm scared to reveg her! i think i'm just going to let her ride, the little cuttings i took are doing pretty okay, i will definitely let those veg more so before flowering...#3 is not really stretching so far in flower, very weird imho, i am not complaining at all! must pollinate the lower little poof flowers very soon......i might try to reveg her after she's done, but if the clones are kicking butt like i think they will, then at that point i'd probably just chop her and do the next flower run with the clones instead, starting to get low on space inside and outside where there's plenty of space is really not conducive to vegetating at all right now

wow your temps got real low! it will start getting below 50f here outside pretty soon, i have minis of #1 and #2 outside so hoping they color up a bit, and i'm super curious if #1 will show any nanners again or if it was just a fluke with the original #1 mom, i will still take dubi's advice and not pollinate that one though, well if the minis show no nanners and their clones again show no nanners i might but honestly that #1 was the airiest loosest flowered one so far so maybe that is also a mark on the list against it....jeez i am rambling, i apologize, well i'm pretty excited

modular screen is definitely something i'm looking into and pondering on, lol i love my bamboo and twine but it sure can be a bitch to maintain and setup if a lot is needed!...maybe this weekend i will attempt making a bamboo and twine grid/screen thing, i had these long bamboo pieces the darn dog smashed right in the middle so they are all now a bunch of medium length bamboo pieces, from 4' to 2' lol, those would probably be perfect and would fit perfect in the tent at 2' each hmmmm more rambling, i'm a rambling man?

thanks on the stem tips, i thought i crushed it enough, lol i thought very wrong...p.s. i am so bad at rolling j's, i just use a small cheapo rolling machine now lol

 

[inquest]

My next project: Malawi fems, Green Haze Thai, and Lebanese.

inquest

 

[dubi]

Sounds good inquest, a lebanese dominant, early flowering hybrid with a bit malawi punch sounds like a good idea.

Lebanese sativas are very interesting landrace to work with, they are very fast flowering but be careful with hermies and auto flowering traits (unless you are breeding for autos), especially indoors. Lebanese landraces usually dont perform very well indoors in pure form. What is your source of lebanese genetics ?

Malawi on the other hand is very consistent line for high potency, low hermie rates and good indoor adaptability. Released Malawi fem is the killer malawi pollinated by one of her best daughter (Malawi 4) so it's somekind of backcross but not a S1 or selfed fem. The new Malawi standard version is killer malawi pollinated by the best 3 malawi males of this season.

It's not easy to predict the best genetic combination between 2 lines (malawi x lebanese, lebanese x malawi) and the success also depends on the concrete parental plants you are breeding with ...
you must try all the combinations you can before decide.

If you are thinking to use a P1 lebanese dad for your breeding projects i'd stress the males indoors, flower them in different places in search of hermie traits, avoid auto flowering males etc .... maybe is easier to find a good and firm lebanese female but you never know Best wishes!

Thanks for the well wishes!

Well, I decided to chop 'em today. The two green ones weren't really drying out as fast as I had hoped, so I didn't get to test my hypothesis. :/ Oh well, another time.
I took some close ups of the trichs, to see how they were coming along. I saw just a very few ambers here and there, mostly all cloudy, and one or two clear here and there. I could have let them go longer that's for sure, but I'm getting antsy to try some thing different.

I've got the idea that I would like to take the best girls of my Malawi fems, breed to a few males of my Lebanese, test/select for consistant strong potency and sativa traits, then use this line as a source for known high quality males for future porjects.

My thinking is this: The Malawi fems should be fairly consistant for potency due to the nature of feminised breeding. All of the Lebanese I've grown/sampled (20+ plants) have knocked me and my friends on our asses. If all of the girls have been great, so should've all of the males, therefore, I have consistantly potent male stock. Combining these two should give me very good chances for a high level of consistancy. Then I just select for sativa type high, great vigor, and whatever else might show up!

Dubi, about the Malawi fem. Are these your killer Malawi x itself, or the killer Malawi x another good Malawi?
Plus, once I get good males to choose from I'm planning on working the VBxThai, Malawi fems, Luang Prabang (supposedly, these get HUGE), Green Haze x Thai, and MeKong Haze (Edit:a Cambodian from Delta 9). I'm sure that all this will take years but, I dont plan on croaking anytime soon so I might as well have a hobby!

All the best, everyone!

 

[dubi]

Hi smokefrogg,

Not all the Vietnam Black x Thai plants will be colorful, the meao thai was very green line (even with very cold temps) so there's always a % of fully green plants but also plenty of colorful phenos.

Im glad you are enjoying her clean motivating effect and coffee taste

inquest those are some beautiful pictures you've shared with us, none of mine have gotten that dark at all, i have allowed the temperatures to get below 60 many times but just not seeing it, i have several minis from the first 2 vietnamese black x thai outside right now and none of those are showing these lovely colors i'm seeing either, it's been down to mid 40s at night recently

i have puffed a bit of #2, it needs some curing time, but these weird coffee type notes are up front in the taste, i can't really put my finger on it, i didn't realize it at first but man that stuff kicked my butt into 4th. gear in the morning, lol i did dishes and laundry and took out trash and turned my giant compost heap and and and hahaha, just banging out chores left and right with a big ass grin on my face...thank you dubi! this is the effect i was looking for, this totally compliments the sour thai that i also grow...(which is a w.o.s. "ko chang" thai, or so they say...lotsa' folks don't trust those guys, but man it is a winner and is super sour rocket fuel)

 

[inquest]

Hi Dubi!

Well, I wouldn't call the Lebs a landrace. They have definitely been worked over. They come from Astur Jaya Seeds. They are really stable in the potency department. I've grown and sampled about 20 females and all were very similar in potency, taste, and type of effect.

Ah, thanks for the info on the Malawi fems! I'm very stoked that they are stable for potecy and lack of Herms!! It's also nice to know that they typically have a strong body effect but can be worked around with a good sativa cross. I bet a Malawi and Lebanese cross would be pretty devastating, too! I plan to keep clones so that I can do multiple crosses over the next year.

I'm happy with the VBxThai's. They have a very nice, blissful high and a bit of variety in potency so I've got some uplifting smoke for all types of days. So, next on the list is to find some consistantly devastating smoke.

I totally agree about some VBxThai being all green and some that show off colors! Plant #1 is always pure green, where as #4 was the darkest black this time around.

 

[edisonzmedicine]

Hello inquest,

Nice early resin production!! Im glad to see you are already producing your own F2 seeds.

If you are breeding mainly for indoor growing I'd use the early flowering good yielding male.
The more VB influenced plants are better yielding, more colorful and fast flowering than thai pheno. Thanks for your updates!

Man it's awesome to see a breeder that's happy when others are reproducing his gear. I love the VB leaf patterns. Next spring I'm gonna try my hand at running some African and Filipino sativas outdoors. I hope to inbreed them and do some crosses as well.

 

[inquest]

Yeah, Dubi's been real cool about us playing around, doing crosses and what-not. Always helpful and encouraging towards various customers projects.

I dont know about the others, but if Dubi sees anything he likes out of my crosses, he's welcome to 'em. Plus, I'd never sell and compete with him. That'd be pretty shady.

I'll be looking for those African and Filipino ladies, I hope you document them!!

 

[smokefrogg]

i've been so bad about pictures...but i want to tell you guys that the #1 and #2 clones i placed outside have been getting real pretty with purples! man they are so happy out there too, #1 looks great and has not shown me any nanners at all this time, i think these poor girls just don't like to be inside haha! #3 was doing so well, i pollinated it yesterday, it is inside, then today i see the very start of spider mite issues! damnit damnit, i have not been getting much that i'm happy with from inside at all, i chopped the 2 biggest buds and the rest will get moved outside once the neighbor's prying eyes are not able to see later tonight, i just hope i get some seeds at this point

as far as crosses, don't shoot me but i am super leaning towards #3 clone getting pollinated by some hindu kush in a couple/few months