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Penn State Scandal and the end of Joe Paterno
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the crazy part is that when this went to the cops and the da ,the da just went away never to be seen or heard of again,they even had a desert named after the coach that was a banana whit a scoop of ice cream on each side of it to loo like a mans dick ,every body knew he was a child raping scumb bag who will get his in prison ,even the board that fired him should be fired clean house and go get the the state reps that were there too,sick basterds,they were using kids from the child protective services offering the a day at the game ,go pick the one you want and off you go ,then the student go to the coaches house and support the asshole with a peep rally ,they might as well say the want to rape kids too
Is this really true...the description of the desert? That would be too fucked up.
A photo or it isn't true.
Rush Limbaugh said that on the radio. Thursday I think. Rush said it was some sort of "inside joke" kind of at Penn State. It was a creepy moment in media.
There was a type of ice cream named after him we know, I think Rush may have been being umm... not sure what you call that. Fucked up.
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greenmatter
too fucked up would be a very accurate way to describe this whole situation.
looks to me like paterno did what he was suppose to on paper and then let it roll (or not) from there. ..... sorry joe the fact that you are a great coach does not make it o.k. to let something like this slide. fact is if you had come clean with the whole story (and i think you probably had ample opportunity to talk to a reporter or two) you would have been considered even more of a hero than most of us thought you were ........ before this came out.
sad to see a career like this guys get eclipsed by the total idiocy of one decision, but the level of stupidity/ blind faith that he showed while dealing with this situation is really beyond belief. i have run through all the why,whats and hows that i can think of and not one time have i found myself saying "oh well that makes sense".
either these guys had something on joe that he did not want to get out or he had a lot less brains and character than he was given credit for over the years. i hope that at least now he understands the price of silence when you should be screaming at the top of your lungs. all things considered i am having a very hard time scratching together any sympathy whatsoever for the coach ..... and any empathy ??? uhm ...how about no fucking way?
just try real hard to make it so your excuse does not sound too much like herr eichmann's did at his trial. i doubt that it is going to go over any better for you than it did for him.
and joe, as much as i hate a snitch ......... dime on them ALL!!! it will more than likely be the only chance you get to redeem yourself
There was one piece of information making the rounds that the authorities involved with the DA's office had the case prepared and ready to go but they waited for Paterno to break the all-time win record for Div 1. At this stage of the game, that could be pure rumor or be true, half the stuff you hear turns out to be wrong a day or so later.
But, it is the kind of thing that I could see happening in a football town and with a football GOD like Paterno is. So many foiks in that area live and die for Penn State. I can imagine some beaurocrat thinking..."what the hell will it hurt for me to delay this arrest for a while, he's not a perv monster, let him get his record then we'll get things rolling...."
This event has a big chance in blowing up in a few different ways.
But, it is the kind of thing that I could see happening in a football town and with a football GOD like Paterno is. So many foiks in that area live and die for Penn State. I can imagine some beaurocrat thinking..."what the hell will it hurt for me to delay this arrest for a while, he's not a perv monster, let him get his record then we'll get things rolling...."
This event has a big chance in blowing up in a few different ways.
Ray Gricar, Missing Pennsylvania DA, Opted Not To Prosecute Jerry Sandusky
Ray Gricar, Missing Pennsylvania DA, Opted Not To Prosecute Jerry Sandusky
First Posted: 11/11/11 07:07 PM ET Updated: 11/11/11 08:44 PM ET
The criminal case against former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky has put the media spotlight back on the missing persons case of Ray Gricar. An esteemed district attorney, Gricar failed to prosecute Sandusky for sex crimes in 1998, and later disappeared without a trace.
"We've had a lot of twists and turns. This is another -- obviously on a much greater scale than in the past," Gricar's nephew, Tony Gricar, told The Huffington Post.
According to a Pennsylvania grand jury report, Ray Gricar investigated allegations that Sandusky had inappropriate contact with an 11-year-old boy in a school locker room in 1998.
Earlier this week, Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly indicted Sandusky on 40 counts of sex crimes against young boys.
According to the grand jury report, there are eight victims who were targeted between 1994 and 2009.
Since Sandusky's arrest, Penn State has been the subject of widespread criticism because of an alleged cover-up of the former coach's alleged illegal activities. Recently, that criticism has also fallen on Ray Gricar, the man who opted not to prosecute Sandusky in 1998.
The former DA, however, is not around to defend his actions. Ray Gricar has been missing since 2005, when he vanished under mysterious circumstances.
Ray Gricar was 59 years old in April 2005. He had served as the district attorney of Centre County for nearly 20 years and was preparing to retire at the end of the year. His career was a success, he was involved in a happy relationship with a woman who worked in his office, and he was close to his 27-year-old daughter, Lara. By all accounts, Gricar had lived a pleasant life and was looking forward to an ideal retirement.
On the morning of April 15, 2005, Gricar called his girlfriend, Patty Fornicola, and told her he was going for a drive on Route 192 toward nearby Lewisburg.
The trip was not out of the ordinary. Gricar reportedly had gone to the town on several occasions in the past to shop at an antique store.
But the DA failed to return home later that night, and calls to his cell phone went unanswered. Concerned, Fornicola contacted Bellefonte police and reported him missing.
The following day, Gricar's red and white 2004 Mini Cooper was found locked and abandoned in a Lewisburg parking lot, not far from the Susquehanna River, and he was nowhere to be found. A search of his vehicle did not indicate a struggle or any sign of foul play, but investigators did find cigarette ashes inside the car.
"Now we're not talking a lot. [It was] some minute cigarette ash on the passenger's side," Bellefonte police officer Darrell Zaccagni told the Cleveland Free Times in 2005. "When they opened the car ... a cigarette smell came out of the car. Ray didn't smoke. And he never let anybody smoke inside his Mini Cooper. Ray was very fastidious about his car."
Gricar's cell phone was locked inside the vehicle, but his keys and other personal effects, including his wallet, were missing. Search dogs were brought in, but they were unable to pick up on Gricar's scent.
Investigators questioned nearby store owners about Gricar. At least one thought he had seen the district attorney inside his shop on the day he disappeared and another was certain he saw Gricar speaking with an unknown woman, but it remains unclear whether the man they saw was actually Gricar.
A search of the Centre County home that Gricar and Fornicola shared also failed to produce any leads. None of his personal belongings were missing, but his work laptop was nowhere to be found.
"It's the hardest thing I've ever had to go through. In some ways, it's worse than having a parent die, I think, because you have no closure. I just want to know where my dad is," Lara Gricar said in a 2005 interview with the Centre Daily Times.
In the days that followed, the FBI and Pennsylvania State Police investigators were called in to assist in the case. Speculation soon turned to suicide -- a subject the Gricar family is all too familiar with.
In May 1996, Roy J. Gricar -- Ray Gricar's brother and Tony Gricar's father -- disappeared in Dayton, Ohio. His car was found abandoned across the street from the office where his son worked. A search of the area was conducted, but authorities found no trace of Roy Gricar.
Roy Gricar was missing for a few days before his body turned up in the Great Miami River. The coroner later ruled Roy Gricar's death a suicide by drowning. He reportedly had been fired from his job as a private contractor at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in the days leading up to his death and had suffered from bipolar disorder.
Fearing Ray Gricar might have taken his own life, investigators conducted an extensive search of the Susquehanna River but were unable to locate any sign of the district attorney.
Although Ray Gricar's body has not been found, two men fishing in the river in July 2005 found his missing laptop lodged against a support under the bridge. The laptop, while obviously severely damaged by exposure to the water, was complete -- minus the hard drive.
Roughly two months after Gricar's laptop was recovered, a woman walking along the banks of the river discovered the hard drive. It was near a railroad bridge, about half a mile from the parking lot where Gricar's Mini Cooper was recovered. Unfortunately for investigators, the hard drive was so severely damaged that they were unable to retrieve any information from it. Whatever clues the laptop might have held were long since destroyed.
After the missing hard drive was found, the case quickly grew cold. Sporadic sightings of Gricar were reported throughout Pennsylvania and other states, but none of the tips yielded results.
Investigators explored a variety of possibilities but were unable to say for certain what might have happened. Polygraph examinations were given to several family members, but no people of interest developed.
In April 2009, investigators made a startling announcement in the case when they revealed the context of Internet searches that had allegedly been conducted on Gricar's home computer.
According to police, someone had researched various ways of destroying computer hard drives in the weeks leading up to Gricar's disappearance. A coincidence or a vital clue? No one knows.
For now, the mystery remains.
"I still don't have a guess one way or the other," Tony Gricar said.
"Do I think there is any connection to the Sandusky case? No."
According to the Associated Press, authorities also doubt there is a connection between the two cases.
In regard to why his uncle did not proceed with a case against the former Penn State coach, Gricar said there likely was not enough evidence.
"I have no idea other than he did not feel he had enough for a case," he said. "If he doesn't have the evidence to do it then everybody loses and you bring in double jeopardy at that point."
Gricar added, "People around the situation in 1998 recognize it was a bad situation, but there is a difference between recognizing it and being able to do anything about it."
This author will be discussing the Ray Gricar case on "Justice with Judge Jeanine" on Fox News Saturday at 9 p.m. Eastern.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...jerry-sandusky-pennsylvania-da_n_1088950.html
Ray Gricar, Missing Pennsylvania DA, Opted Not To Prosecute Jerry Sandusky
First Posted: 11/11/11 07:07 PM ET Updated: 11/11/11 08:44 PM ET
The criminal case against former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky has put the media spotlight back on the missing persons case of Ray Gricar. An esteemed district attorney, Gricar failed to prosecute Sandusky for sex crimes in 1998, and later disappeared without a trace.
"We've had a lot of twists and turns. This is another -- obviously on a much greater scale than in the past," Gricar's nephew, Tony Gricar, told The Huffington Post.
According to a Pennsylvania grand jury report, Ray Gricar investigated allegations that Sandusky had inappropriate contact with an 11-year-old boy in a school locker room in 1998.
Earlier this week, Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly indicted Sandusky on 40 counts of sex crimes against young boys.
According to the grand jury report, there are eight victims who were targeted between 1994 and 2009.
Since Sandusky's arrest, Penn State has been the subject of widespread criticism because of an alleged cover-up of the former coach's alleged illegal activities. Recently, that criticism has also fallen on Ray Gricar, the man who opted not to prosecute Sandusky in 1998.
The former DA, however, is not around to defend his actions. Ray Gricar has been missing since 2005, when he vanished under mysterious circumstances.
Ray Gricar was 59 years old in April 2005. He had served as the district attorney of Centre County for nearly 20 years and was preparing to retire at the end of the year. His career was a success, he was involved in a happy relationship with a woman who worked in his office, and he was close to his 27-year-old daughter, Lara. By all accounts, Gricar had lived a pleasant life and was looking forward to an ideal retirement.
On the morning of April 15, 2005, Gricar called his girlfriend, Patty Fornicola, and told her he was going for a drive on Route 192 toward nearby Lewisburg.
The trip was not out of the ordinary. Gricar reportedly had gone to the town on several occasions in the past to shop at an antique store.
But the DA failed to return home later that night, and calls to his cell phone went unanswered. Concerned, Fornicola contacted Bellefonte police and reported him missing.
The following day, Gricar's red and white 2004 Mini Cooper was found locked and abandoned in a Lewisburg parking lot, not far from the Susquehanna River, and he was nowhere to be found. A search of his vehicle did not indicate a struggle or any sign of foul play, but investigators did find cigarette ashes inside the car.
"Now we're not talking a lot. [It was] some minute cigarette ash on the passenger's side," Bellefonte police officer Darrell Zaccagni told the Cleveland Free Times in 2005. "When they opened the car ... a cigarette smell came out of the car. Ray didn't smoke. And he never let anybody smoke inside his Mini Cooper. Ray was very fastidious about his car."
Gricar's cell phone was locked inside the vehicle, but his keys and other personal effects, including his wallet, were missing. Search dogs were brought in, but they were unable to pick up on Gricar's scent.
Investigators questioned nearby store owners about Gricar. At least one thought he had seen the district attorney inside his shop on the day he disappeared and another was certain he saw Gricar speaking with an unknown woman, but it remains unclear whether the man they saw was actually Gricar.
A search of the Centre County home that Gricar and Fornicola shared also failed to produce any leads. None of his personal belongings were missing, but his work laptop was nowhere to be found.
"It's the hardest thing I've ever had to go through. In some ways, it's worse than having a parent die, I think, because you have no closure. I just want to know where my dad is," Lara Gricar said in a 2005 interview with the Centre Daily Times.
In the days that followed, the FBI and Pennsylvania State Police investigators were called in to assist in the case. Speculation soon turned to suicide -- a subject the Gricar family is all too familiar with.
In May 1996, Roy J. Gricar -- Ray Gricar's brother and Tony Gricar's father -- disappeared in Dayton, Ohio. His car was found abandoned across the street from the office where his son worked. A search of the area was conducted, but authorities found no trace of Roy Gricar.
Roy Gricar was missing for a few days before his body turned up in the Great Miami River. The coroner later ruled Roy Gricar's death a suicide by drowning. He reportedly had been fired from his job as a private contractor at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in the days leading up to his death and had suffered from bipolar disorder.
Fearing Ray Gricar might have taken his own life, investigators conducted an extensive search of the Susquehanna River but were unable to locate any sign of the district attorney.
Although Ray Gricar's body has not been found, two men fishing in the river in July 2005 found his missing laptop lodged against a support under the bridge. The laptop, while obviously severely damaged by exposure to the water, was complete -- minus the hard drive.
Roughly two months after Gricar's laptop was recovered, a woman walking along the banks of the river discovered the hard drive. It was near a railroad bridge, about half a mile from the parking lot where Gricar's Mini Cooper was recovered. Unfortunately for investigators, the hard drive was so severely damaged that they were unable to retrieve any information from it. Whatever clues the laptop might have held were long since destroyed.
After the missing hard drive was found, the case quickly grew cold. Sporadic sightings of Gricar were reported throughout Pennsylvania and other states, but none of the tips yielded results.
Investigators explored a variety of possibilities but were unable to say for certain what might have happened. Polygraph examinations were given to several family members, but no people of interest developed.
In April 2009, investigators made a startling announcement in the case when they revealed the context of Internet searches that had allegedly been conducted on Gricar's home computer.
According to police, someone had researched various ways of destroying computer hard drives in the weeks leading up to Gricar's disappearance. A coincidence or a vital clue? No one knows.
For now, the mystery remains.
"I still don't have a guess one way or the other," Tony Gricar said.
"Do I think there is any connection to the Sandusky case? No."
According to the Associated Press, authorities also doubt there is a connection between the two cases.
In regard to why his uncle did not proceed with a case against the former Penn State coach, Gricar said there likely was not enough evidence.
"I have no idea other than he did not feel he had enough for a case," he said. "If he doesn't have the evidence to do it then everybody loses and you bring in double jeopardy at that point."
Gricar added, "People around the situation in 1998 recognize it was a bad situation, but there is a difference between recognizing it and being able to do anything about it."
This author will be discussing the Ray Gricar case on "Justice with Judge Jeanine" on Fox News Saturday at 9 p.m. Eastern.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...jerry-sandusky-pennsylvania-da_n_1088950.html
Dumb?? When ther is a systemic problem? Fauclty,students,alumini,law enforcement,even the freakin janitors??? extreme maybe? If I see that many problems in my rooms I would start over after a major house cleaning..my .02
I reckon there is a bit of a moral difference between snitching on someone for MJ related offenses when you are trying to cover your own ass and a grown man walking in on another grown man raping a little boy and not doing anything about it.
Everybody was looking out for themselves and the program and they were able to rationalize protecting a child rapist to do so.
Sad social commentary.
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greenmatter
good post disco ......... but
IMHO it is not the dead/missing guys fault that the case went cold.
there were just to many people who knew what had happened for this thing to just die that easy.
if something like that happened in this forum and the mod who was suppose to take care of things just decided to leave without doing anything about it, i think there would be plenty of members out there who would never let things go.
a missing DA is NOT what let this go as far as it did ........ he is a great excuse, but that is all
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Nondual
Exactly! Wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be true though.
It'll all come out in the wash.
This is really what should happen. The university should lose its charter from the state and the campus turned into a retirement community.
Penn State's hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Any of you guys remember this gem from 1993
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_buffalo_incident
The Penn State administration made a huge case over an undergrad's free speech from a window directed at a group of 15 adults, but when a child is raped by a high ranking member of their administration "Let the cover up begin!"
I hope the dozens of victims receive every cent in the Penn State endowment and any monies raised from selling the campus to developers.
Lol. I'm not taking up for Paterno. I just quoted an article about the missing DA. If I make an argument, I'll at least attempt to express it.
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Guest 88950
penn st pedophiles
as stated on the first page "if you allow it, you endorsse it"
this was a cover-up for many years........to save the reputation of the football program, and JoePa...........he deserves to go out with the last impression of a Pedophile Protecter / Enabler.
@ the very least they (penn st football) should be banned for a few years.
if anyone is offended, WHO CARES!
as stated on the first page "if you allow it, you endorsse it"
this was a cover-up for many years........to save the reputation of the football program, and JoePa...........he deserves to go out with the last impression of a Pedophile Protecter / Enabler.
@ the very least they (penn st football) should be banned for a few years.
if anyone is offended, WHO CARES!
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greenmatter
i was not even thinking that was an argument D. ....... you posted information ......... what i typed was an observation of a nasty situation.
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KSP
That's a good point. Hadn't thought of that.
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