What do you guys think about Miracle Grow Potting Mix?

[Ny2CaFuse]

Not to start an argument, but I wouldn't do that either. For one thing, a few minutes in the oven won't do anything but heat up the first 1/8th of an inch of the soil pile. It takes a long time to heat to the center of soil. Also, heating soil like that can cause it to become toxic. Its normally steam sterilized.

IMO, if I found myself having to go through sterilizing soil, I'd just buy better soil. And yeah, here in the north, especially in the spring you have to be carefull you're not buying last years excess inventory. No faded bags, and nothing wet.

<playing devil's advocate>

If that's the case, why do people do slash-and-burn farming? I know the idea is to create ash to fertilize the soil, but burning wood/plants/debris directly on the soil itself would substantially heat the first couple inches of soil. If toxicity was an issue with the method, an estimated 250 million farmers worldwide who use it would be cropless. If you need to sterilize it, as long as you only do small amounts and keep the heat below 200 degrees, you should be fine.

I understand what you're saying about buying better soil, but sometimes it isn't possible to obtain better soil locally. For instance, where I used to live, there was one nursery/garden center and it closed during the winter months. The only option for soil was either purchase it online(couldn't wait / couldn't afford the markup) or buy the crappy stuff at wallyworld that had been sitting outside since summer.

</playing devil's advocate>

However, if it were marijuana plants I was purchasing soil for I would buy the best I could find/afford. If MG is the best I could find/afford I would make sure it was the best bags of MG I could find.

 

[OverEagerBeaver]

I've seen MG grow absolutely horrible weed and I've seen a few real good looking grows with it. However, Mircle Grow is a completely unethical corporation that is unworthy of anyones hard earned money. IMHO there are alot of better alternatives for the same money.

 

[nukklehead]

used in the past early on.. cut with perlite.. did pretty good but definitely had a different taste... FFOF is worth the trip if you are going to do soil.. taste is so much better

 

[Hammerhead]

Most of all the growers I have talked to have tried MG at one time in there life.. I have not used it in 30 years..

 

[Nicedreamz]

I recycle my FFOM now but my first few grows I could only get MG potting Soil......First time I had fungus gnats ......second time I baked soil in oven and had no fungus gnats........

That second grow I had some SoGouda that tasted like fruity pebbles So to anyone that says MG potting soil automatically makes weed taste like shit is wrong....all you need is a proper flush and cure at the end and genetics that taste good. I'll take the pepsi challenge with my SoGouda against any haters

Im not saying MG is the best but it can be used successfully

 

[stihgnobevoli]

both in miracle gro organics. so far i've just been feeding plain water, but i did give em lucas formula a couple of times like 2-3 weeks apart. needs magnesium as all miracle gro and probably some other micros.

i used moisture control in the past a long time ago. and while it's not absolute crap, knowing that it holds a lot of moisture and lacks magnesium and some micros would have saved me some headaches.

on a whole i would say there is nothing wrong with miracle gro soil, just needs more nutrients that are missing. and you need to make sure not to water too much. and the gnats...but i get that in soil anytime humidity is high, not just from miracle gro.

 

[PhenotypeX]

BOG uses Sams Choice (Walmart Brand) Continuous Feeding Potting Soil, feeds for 6 months. Its basically a cheaper version of Miracle Grow, and he gets GREAT results. I was using Pro-Mix BX amended with blood and bone meal, with bio-grow and bio-bloom as fertilizers. I bought a bag of miracle grow continuous feeding potting soil from home depot one day, b/c i couldnt get to the hydro store for more pro-mix. I amended it with bone meal, blood meal, and 10% perlite and I have noticed much BETTER results using the miracle grow. Just my 2 cents.

 

[greenpinky]

Got a Ya i few friends that use M.G and they get great results, but I've alway found if I smoke there stuff I get a head ache. That's why I go organic I love to smoke till there's none left.....M.G is all the bi product left from the refining of oil. All the chemicals that couldn't be used... they go in your product..... see what ur puttint in ur lungs

 

[Lowman]

Got a Ya i few friends that use M.G and they get great results, but I've alway found if I smoke there stuff I get a head ache. That's why I go organic I love to smoke till there's none left.....M.G is all the bi product left from the refining of oil. All the chemicals that couldn't be used... they go in your product..... see what ur puttint in ur lungs

If you're such a lover of the almighty organic bullshit...why did you even enter this thread.

Maybe you thought for just a second that the headache you got from smokin weed grown in MG was a figment of your imagination....guess what...it was!

 

[señorsloth]

almighty organic bullshit

seriously? you grow with cheep knockoff chemical salts and have the nerve to call organic gardening "bullshit"??? i have news for you, organic pot is superior over chemical grown! you can't find anybody who knows what they are talking about that will disagree! it smells stronger, tastes better, it's healthier and better for the environment and anybody who smokes it.IT'S THE WAY PLANTS WERE MEANT TO GROW!

as far as miracle grow...it's about as far from organic as you can get, if your palate is so poor that you can't taste it in your pot, and don't mind picking up tumors and junk inhaling what amounts to radioactive waste products...it's cheep garbage and yeah it will grow an ORNAMENTAL plant, but that's all i would trust it with! i would be dubiously cautious of their "organic" mix, usa organic standards are a joke as it is but i would be willing to bet miracle grow takes as many short cuts with that product as they do ALL their stuff.

i find it really kind of sad that there is ALWAYS a thread about this...i would personally prefer any no name soil over miracle grow, all it is is peat moss and chemicals...i understand that when a person first starts they often don't have the money to start up with all the shiney bells and whistles, but you should also understand that doing all of your shopping at walmart can cost you more in the long run. save up a little money, do A LOT of research, and start growing right. you don't need to buy 20 dollar a bag fox farms soil(though it's not a bad idea!) but THERE ARE PLENTY OF CHEEP SOILS THAT ARE ACTUALLY SOIL! not some super crappy artificial mix of ground up moss and little chemical balls...good soil should NOT have time release chemical fertilizers in it!

it really doesn't matter how many of you got an "ok" grow with it, because that's not really the issue, we all know it will work, the point is that for the same amount of money you can do better!

 

[stihgnobevoli]

do you guys even realize you're arguing the opposite sides of the same coin? when you break down minerals to their basic components you get basic elements. like that big ass chart you had to memorize for chemistry class. organic or whatever you call the other kind of nutes. at the end of the day when you feed your plants nitrogen, calcium, potassium, phosphorus and iron, and etc. you are still only feeding them that shit on that chart. everything on the planet and probably the whole usniverse is made from the shit on that chart. so please stfu about organics being this and chemical salts being that because at the end of the day.

YOUR PLANT WILL STILL ONLY ABSORB THE BASIC ELEMENTS. N-P-K-Fe-Ca-Mn-Mg-Na, ....etc. whether it comes already in salt form or whether a worm has to eat it and shit it back out first. ITS ALL THE SAME FUCKING THING! stop fucking arguing about it.


you know what killed me the most about your little tirade?

good soil should NOT have time release chemical fertilizers in it!

this is essentially what organics are, time release fertilizer, they have to be broken down over time by microbes before the plant can absorb it. please people, if you wish to argue and debate, at least know what the fuck you're talking about. im sure some mod is gonna come along and delete by post, but idgaf. too much moderation in here if you ask me.

even if chemical fertilizer is the by product of oil refining so what? obviously they had to be put together into a string of molecules to form oil, why the fuck shouldn't we be able to break the oil back down and use the elements that formed it? do you not realize that oil is a natural product produced by mother nature? what is you could pour crude oil on a bag of worms and they broke the oil back down to the basic element? i bet you wouldn't be crying over that shit like you do about a manufactured process doing the same task.

you all use molasses a lot in organics don't you?

hey guess what?

molasses is the by product of refining sugar.


ohhhh!! SNAPPP@@!!! you better throw that shit out.

 

[Pinball Wizard]

it's a poor workman that blames his tools

 

[iseefishpeople]

I have actually just started some seeds in mg potting mix straight no perlite. Three weeks in and no burn yet .. No bugs either .. I mainly bought it because of the time release nutes .. Am in a fully concealed setup Inc capillary watering and electroculture .. so that I can leave the box unattended for long period as it has to be secret including from my house mates.

The other reason was that on every forum their is a thread like this one with so many haters that I wanted to find out for myself.

 

[greenpinky]

Ha ha you've been using too many chemicals for too long. The plant will absorb all kinds of shit. Sence u use nothing but crap for ur smoke, well u are what u smoke u piece of crap. That's too all the haters of organic..... I was saying. M.G is ok but I would never use it cuz I'm not a lazy fuck and I actually cair about what I do

 

[stihgnobevoli]

who the fucks hating organic, the problem is you love it too much, to the point you're fanatical about it. if organics was a religion you would be holding a sign saying god hates fags and burn in hell.

 

[White-rhino]

this is essentially what organics are, time release fertilizer, they have to be broken down over time by microbes before the plant can absorb it. please people, if you wish to argue and debate, at least know what the fuck you're talking about. im sure some mod is gonna come along and delete by post, but idgaf. too much moderation in here if you ask me.

And I suspect that adding bat guano and other organic ingredients becomes valuable to plants about 2 months AFTER the harvest due to the amount of time it takes to break down. Can't prove it, but if anyone has definitive PROOF that I'm wrong I welcome the scientific data.

If I were to use homemade mixes, I'd give it a good six months to settle in and break down. Until then, I'll use a premixed commercial potting soil purchased at a hydro store. More expensive but less expensive (and risky) than buying top notch weed by a long shot.

 

[White-rhino]

both in miracle gro organics. so far i've just been feeding plain water, but i did give em lucas formula a couple of times like 2-3 weeks apart. needs magnesium as all miracle gro and probably some other micros.

i used moisture control in the past a long time ago. and while it's not absolute crap, knowing that it holds a lot of moisture and lacks magnesium and some micros would have saved me some headaches.

on a whole i would say there is nothing wrong with miracle gro soil, just needs more nutrients that are missing. and you need to make sure not to water too much. and the gnats...but i get that in soil anytime humidity is high, not just from miracle gro.

YEP, looks exactly like it was grown in miracle grow. Especially that last pic..

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i was wondering when the posts attacking my pictures would start. there is absolutely nothing wrong with the first 2 plants, the third plant was illustrating miracle gro moisture control and its ability to hold too much moisture and the lack of magnesium in it.

the first two pictures are plants in week 6 of 8-9 week cycle. they're supposed to look like that.

 

[Lowman]

seriously? you grow with cheep knockoff chemical salts and have the nerve to call organic gardening "bullshit"???

No...I'm calling the attitude bullshit. Organics growers usually come off with their high and mighty bullshit talk about how much better organics is. It's false for starters. I'm not gonna get into a pissin match over the age old debate. I have grown many different ways...organic included. When it comes to weed...gimmy a hempy bucket...some coco and a nice clean fert like Hesi or Gh flora any day. Blows the doors off any organic method...hands down.

The point was made that an organic guru comes in to an MG thread just dyin to spew shit about organics. Give me a break! Why did you come in here? Just to defend the almighty organic way?

 

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