Grafting to create the perfect Bonsai Mom

[methias]

Go for it.

Go for it.

This is awesome. I have always wanted to try this.

I had lots of help just reading on this site.
You just gotta keep trying.

Now that I have had limited success I intend to move forward with at least one more strain added to Judy.

Peace

 

[methias]

9-26 update

9-26 update

The first graft that took is doing great. I have started training her. My intent is to loop her back onto herself (lower down the donor branch) and try an approach graft. If it works I should have a stalk that sort of resembles one of those (enter your cause here) ribbons with branches above on the loop and the tip still growing.
Yeah, Getting cocky here.

Still it could work

On to the other 3 grafts. Judy on Et died. one Et on Judy is dead. The other is most likely dead I just aint pronounced it so yet.
What I'm getting to is that I have only 1 good graft as of today.
Thinking that If one of the Et clones is good I'm gonna use it for an approach graft attempt to add the second branch.

Anyway...
more pics in a few days again.

Peace

 

[Canniwhatsis]

Think I'm working the "Approach" graft on my mum (False graft I posted earlier in your thread),..... the graft and the branch I've got it on are both doing well,.... I'm just not sure if the union of the two is taken well enough to cut it yet. Looking forward to seeing if you get any success!

 

[GP73LPC]

keep up the good work guys...

 

[who dat is]

Holy shit methias, your persistence astounds me. I am sincerely impressed with both your efforts and results. I imagine this is how the people inventing cloning must have felt years and years ago. This could be a new forefront for the medical scene that will become more commonplace for the dedicated stoner. This has gotten me thinking too. How would you know what kind of root mass would be good for grafting to? A sativa dominant plant because they stretch out or an indica dominant plant with squatter stature and sturdier branches?

Here's another thought too. If you are constantly having to mist your plants and keep them humidity domes would it not make sense to be misting them with some concoction of seaweed extract? Also, you could make an ACT and continually mist them with that as long as it's feasible. All the beneficials might chip in and help the new graft pull through. Food for thought.

 

[Canniwhatsis]

This has gotten me thinking too. How would you know what kind of root mass would be good for grafting to? A sativa dominant plant because they stretch out or an indica dominant plant with squatter stature and sturdier branches?

Honestly, one would want to use the best uptake root mass,... weather that's indica or sativa, i'm not sure how to tell.

By my experiments, some strains are easier to graft TO than others.... wether or not it has to do with the rootmass is beyond my exact understanding ATM.

Your example of plant stature has little to nothing to do with the grafted scions,... as far as I can tell there's no genetic drift over the graft joint.


Methias, what's your take?

 

[who dat is]

Honestly, one would want to use the best uptake root mass,... weather that's indica or sativa, i'm not sure how to tell.

By my experiments, some strains are easier to graft TO than others.... wether or not it has to do with the rootmass is beyond my exact understanding ATM.

Your example of plant stature has little to nothing to do with the grafted scions,... as far as I can tell there's no genetic drift over the graft joint.


Methias, what's your take?

I'm aware that each scion maintains it's own unique genetics what I meant was which would be better to graft to and which would support new grafts better.

 

[methias]

MOMC (Mom Of Many Colors) is still at it

MOMC (Mom Of Many Colors) is still at it

Hi everyone,
I wanted to thank all of you for your support and suggestions. Couldn't have done it without you.
First some replies;
Canniwhatsis, as to the best root mass, I aint no botanist. Just a stoner lookin to have smoke available forever and a bit O variety on one mom. I am just thrilled that I got a graft to take and it is growing well (pics soon). Hell I'm not even sure just what I have. I was told that Judy is a master kush and the ET seedling smells blueberry or fruity. Possibly a blueberry kush, but what do I know??
who dat is, I tried going from judy to ET and those failed 4-5 times in a row so Judy became the MOMC (Mom Of Many Colors) since she accepted the ET graft. For me it had nothing to do with root mass or hydration.... It worked and that is all I care about.

I intend to trim my MOMC up later this week and I will post some more pics then.
Until then just keep your bud dry and your vape bags filled.
Peace

 

[GP73LPC]

very cool methias...

 

[Canniwhatsis]

My everything is on hold till I get RootAphids cleared out

Like I said before, some strains seem easier to graft TO as a host than others,... My Durban poison grafted right to my blueberry, but not the otherway around!

Good luck and keep up the work!

 

[methias]

Still have not trimmed my MOMC but had to throw some quick pics up.
One from each side.
the wax ball above the yellow & blue tag is the graft site.
You can see that above she is growing well. I am training her to go down for now.
Once I have trimmed her my goal will be easier yo see.
Peace

 

[GP73LPC]

cool

 

[Canniwhatsis]

Looking good Methias!!!


Once I've got my bugs under control I'll start my work up again.

 

[methias]

Pic time

Pic time

Welcome back boys and girls.
first, in response

Sn-----ip
I am well aware what this would mean for multiple variety mother stock on one plant. If this was so easy it would be commonplace. Show me plants that have been grafted together for months not days.

This graft is now 9 weeks old and growing. Thats over 2 months so far and she looks great.

I already have pulled a clone off the grafted scion and I am quite confident that I have succeeded in creating a MOMC (mom of many colors). Ok she only has two so far but thats because I don't have any others to attach yet.

If you want an earlier pic of the graft go here to my 9/14 post pics
Now for the pics
I trimmed her up a bit and you can see the wax ball at the graft site. When compared to the 9/14 pics you see where we came from. I have been training her down so that I can approach graft a section to a lower spot so she looks quite strange (like a weeping willow). You can see three separate branches coming off the graft and curving down. In a week or two I will try the lower connection and if it works .....

Peace all.

 

[methias]

It's Graft time again...

It's Graft time again...

I'm at it again with my MOMC. If you have followed this long (nearly a year now) thread you may recall that while in the glory of success I noticed that I had grafted much higher on mom than might have been prudent. My mom is in a tiny box with little room to grow. I really should have grafted to a very low branch allowing plenty of room to grow and branch out.

I may have solved that issue.
I trained one of the grafted branches to curve down and in towards the stalk of my MOMC. I also tipped judy down and forced her to sprong out with new shoots from down low.
Now comes the fun part. I did an approach graft where the new shoot and graft cross. I just scraped off some of the stalk bark (?) and clipped the two open wounds to each other. I am going to let them grow onto each other for a few weeks at least and once I am confident that they are as one I can cut the loop above and have two solid grafts on Judy. One high, one low and many clones for many years.

To all who encouraged, Many thanks..
To all who thought it can't be done,

Peace to all

 

[Canniwhatsis]

Good luck on the approach graft,.... Mine failed after over a month of being taped down. When I pulled the tape, both of the scraped parts of the stalks had just scabbed over back to themselves.


Got any pics of your hopeful union?

 

[methias]

Good luck on the approach graft,.... Mine failed after over a month of being taped down. When I pulled the tape, both of the scraped parts of the stalks had just scabbed over back to themselves.
Got any pics of your hopeful union?

I am not gonna mess with her for at least a week (aside from watering) so I don't disturb the union.

As to the current setup;
I used a piece of 1/4" fishtank air hose (1/2" long) that I split down one side. After scraping I wrapped the union with the hose section and took an ordinary clothespin to clamp it together.
So far no drooping so I don't think I killed either branch but time will tell.

Peace all

 

[Elsweeto]

Very excellent my friend!! Very Excellent indeed.
These false grafts could be a nice addition to training I have a really stretchy sativa which I love but, its a bitch for getting out of control.
Arched branches could be just the ticket.
thanks for the inspo!!

 

[methias]

Very excellent my friend!! Very Excellent indeed.
These false grafts could be a nice addition to training I have a really stretchy sativa which I love but, its a bitch for getting out of control.
Arched branches could be just the ticket.
thanks for the inspo!!

Whatever works..
I have limited space and so training is the only way for me.
Recently I went to the craft store and got a bag of long pipe cleaners. They are great for training your girls. just make a soft "J" at one end and hook or weight the other end to hold what you want held and where to point it.

Peace

 

[methias]

graft update

graft update


I just unclamped the approach graft and removed the plastic tube......

It's not separating.
It's not slipping.
It's,,, It's holding.
Under the magnifier it seems to have become as one.

I am going to leave it alone for at least an other week.
If and Only if the union looks really solid then I may cut the loop at the top (well really one or two inches up) and my MOMC will now have two (ET) grafts to produce clones from.

Pics later this week.

Peace all