that's sounds true, one thing at a time
pull the teeth on the bigger beast, we'll deal with the smaller pups in due course
Calif. pot dispensaries told by feds to shut down
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that's sounds true, one thing at a time
pull the teeth on the bigger beast, we'll deal with the smaller pups in due course
moresntoil
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i wonder how much the drug cartels would be willing to pay to stop the efforts of the american people to grow their own "good/clean" marijuana?
or, how much would the alcohol industry contribute? budweiser is a known contributer to keeping marijuana illeagle!
ok, what about the pharmi. industry?
im sure no one in our government would EVER play both sides,
to be honest dont know much about this issue, just my crazy mind.
or, how much would the alcohol industry contribute? budweiser is a known contributer to keeping marijuana illeagle!
ok, what about the pharmi. industry?
im sure no one in our government would EVER play both sides,
to be honest dont know much about this issue, just my crazy mind.
google partnership for a drug free america
Well according to the Huffington Post (which is often critical of Obama) the US Attorney's behind this crackdown on dispensaries have stated that Obama had nothing what so ever to do with it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...marijuana-crackdown-california_n_1033482.html
Yeah cuz getting ass raped in prison is far preferable to regulation...
If you are into being sodomized.
Kids say the darndest things.
Makes perfect sense I guess.
Not enough competence to handle his own departments..
But hey he did manage to follow Bush's exact plan for troop removal in irq
I love how our masters can use child like excuses to get out of shit. If your kid went and started robbing all the liquor stores in town and when you get questioned by police just say I has no idea officer. Well too fucking bad you know now go get that little bastard.
I thought that was a good HuffPost article and particularly like this comment by Steve DeAngelo
"Federal prosecutors are not trying to clean up the regulated medical cannabis industry, they are trying to destroy it," he said at a Tuesday press conference in San Francisco. "Their real target is not criminal gangs, but rather the systems of licensing and regulation implemented by dozens of communities state-wide. This is destroying tens of thousands of jobs and hundreds of millions of tax dollars in local, state and federal tax revenue."
Peeps reading that might be angered by these actions because of the criminal gangs vs tax revenue aspect. DD
"Federal prosecutors are not trying to clean up the regulated medical cannabis industry, they are trying to destroy it," he said at a Tuesday press conference in San Francisco. "Their real target is not criminal gangs, but rather the systems of licensing and regulation implemented by dozens of communities state-wide. This is destroying tens of thousands of jobs and hundreds of millions of tax dollars in local, state and federal tax revenue."
Peeps reading that might be angered by these actions because of the criminal gangs vs tax revenue aspect. DD
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Your probably right the president has zero control over the DOJ..
Or anything else for that matter.
N pres deserves any credit or blame for the actions of the departments under their administration..
But hey the huff post is about as unbiased as fox right?
These cheerleaders are also great mental gymnasts
MarinAlliance
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No worries, SeaMaiden : )
MarinAlliance
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Really? As I recall he (Obama) laid out this exact timeline all throughout the final months of the campaign and into the beginning of his Presidency and it was one of the bigger talking points the Republican's were using against him at the time. So what in reality is him sticking to one of his campaign promises pretty much to the letter, you've now spun into as him following Bush's plan. I'm just curious if you truely believe even half the BS you lay out or do you just go by the Republican game plan of tell a lie often enough and people will believe it?
I do agree it looks bad on him though that he's so out of touch with various branches of his government but then again it's unrealistic to expect one person to stay on top of the entirety of the US government. One would presume that's why you appoint people to take care of certain things so one person doesn't have to try and keep on top of everything. I mean sure the issue of Medical Marijuana is a very big deal to many of us but when you consider that we're currently involved in 2 wars, still struggling to recover from an economic crisis nearly as bad as the great depression and which negatively impacted economies around the world. Still dealing with attempts by Al-Qaeda to bring more terror attacks to US soil. Millions of American's out of work and drowning in debt. Social and political unrest and upheaval in countries that represent major security risks to US interests and/or are allies of the US. It's not so surprising he might lose touch with 4 US Attorney's who decided to act on something without getting a green light from their boss.
You know it's funny, before he got elected one of the most common and legitimate complaints against Obama being President was that he lacked experience. Yet now that he is President and people are seeing this concern about his experience was justified, his critics are now acting like it's unbelievable that he makes mistakes. Especially since this isn't the first campaign promise that hasn't worked out. Like GITMO, alot of the problems Obama had with keeping that one is due to him trusting people to do the job on his behalf and they couldn't get it done.
Frankly I've got to give him alot of credit. Given that he's made several bad choices in appointments, lacks experience and is stuck with the worst "Do Nothing" congress I've seen in my 50+ years, led by representatives who have vowed to do whatever they can to keep him from being re-elected, he's actually kept quite a few of his promises. Imagine what he might have done if people actually worked with him to the benefit of the country rather then against him to the benefit of their personal agendas?
You're Obama's slave? Well he may be you're master but he's not mine and nobody I know thinks of him as their master. Also the matter is hardly comparable to a parent with an out of control child. It's not as simple as "go get that little bastard" especially as we head into an election year. Anyone would have to be daft to expect Obama to get involved in something like this before he locks in a second term. I doubt he'll do much to improve our cause even if he does get re-elected but I'm sure he won't do anything before he gets re-elected. The republican's would have a field day with him if he even remotely seemed like he was interested in legalizing marijuana.
Your probably right the president has zero control over the DOJ..
Or anything else for that matter.
N pres deserves any credit or blame for the actions of the departments under their administration..
But hey the huff post is about as unbiased as fox right?
These cheerleaders are also great mental gymnasts
Sure, I mean why shouldn't the blame go to the top? I mean after all we see it all the time in the corporate world right? CEO's are always being blamed when file clerks and receptionists make mistakes. Even in families, I mean it's unheard of that children that misbehave are blamed because of things like a chemical imbalance. Society always blames the parents.
Lol. Mr. all or zero. There's something you don't get about inherent powers being [neither] all encompassing nor totally benign. But you have trolling down to a science.
But hey, huff post didn't say it, I did. I guess there's no sense in being relevant when you're already batting a thousand.
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rick shaw
While many marijuana growers are piling on Obama,I want to hear the same growers explain how dispensary operators like DeAnglo or Lee AREN'T profiteers.
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Smoke Buddy
Sure, I mean why shouldn't the blame go to the top? I mean after all we see it all the time in the corporate world right? CEO's are always being blamed when file clerks and receptionists make mistakes. Even in families, I mean it's unheard of that children that misbehave are blamed because of things like a chemical imbalance. Society always blames the parents.
LOL!!! Man you are funny. I been rolling on some of this stuff. Im not here to start something but as I see it you are provocative so I'll bite.
File clerks dont supplant the CEO's stated directive and still have a job. More importantly and logically the thing that the file clerk did gets corrected to the standard set by the CEO.
Where does that leave your analogy? yep
To your second point, which in my opinion is not a very good analogy for the situation, when the child is in the parents presence and continues to misbehave and the parents are aware its the parents fault clearly. If Obama doesnt want his DOJ to mess with dispensaries he calls Holder and orders him not to do it. He's the Boss. They answer to him. The obvious answer to the silly assertion that Obama is somehow oblivious and uninvolved is that the DOJ are covering for their boss so he can try and salvage votes here in the golden state. His silence on the matter confirms it for me. Just to think that the DOJ would break the presidents clear message and promise without so much as a phone call and then not be reprimanded and reversed is ridiculous.
peace
LOL!!! Man you are funny. I been rolling on some of this stuff. Im not here to start something but as I see it you are provocative so I'll bite.
File clerks dont supplant the CEO's stated directive and still have a job. More importantly and logically the thing that the file clerk did gets corrected to the standard set by the CEO.
Where does that leave your analogy? yep
To your second point, which in my opinion is not a very good analogy for the situation, when the child is in the parents presence and continues to misbehave and the parents are aware its the parents fault clearly. If Obama doesnt want his DOJ to mess with dispensaries he calls Holder and orders him not to do it. He's the Boss. They answer to him. The obvious answer to the silly assertion that Obama is somehow oblivious and uninvolved is that the DOJ are covering for their boss so he can try and salvage votes here in the golden state. His silence on the matter confirms it for me. Just to think that the DOJ would break the presidents clear message and promise without so much as a phone call and then not be reprimanded and reversed is ridiculous.
peace
Are you certain about that? I mean as I understand it there are three branches to the government, not two. The Executive, The Legislative and the Judicial. I'm not so sure it's as simple as firing someone or calling someone else and saying "Make it stop". US Attorney's are appointed by the President as are Supreme Court Justices but beyond that I'm not so sure the President has much say. If he had as much control as you imply it would seem to me that would undo the checks and balances created by having 3 seperate branches to the government. Nor am I convinced Obama is all that concerned about "The Marijuana Vote" if he was he wouldn't have chided the people asking about legalizing marijuana in that Internet Townhall he had back when he was first elected.
Oh and as for analogies, well an analogy doesn't have to be a perfect match to the thing it's being compared to, merely close enough to get the point across which in this case is that blame seldom if ever rises to the top and therefore it's hypocritical to hold the president to a standard that people don't hold other leaders or even themselves to.
Another thing to keep in mind is this. The last time a President tried to treat the US Attorney's office as if it answers to the President was when Attorney General Alberto Gonzales arbitrarily fired US Attorney's who didn't best serve the President's will. It caused such a controversey that in the end nine of the top DOJ Officials including Gonzales, retired a few months later. The controversey also caused Congress (by a large majority) to take away the provision that allowed the Executive branch to have such influence over the US Attorney's. So unless Obama could prove these Attorneys going after dispensaries was criminal, he couldn't fire them even if he wanted to.
