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Breeding for beginners
- Thread starter glasspackedbowl
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is it a good idea to make seed with an auto flowering mother i have one in my veg room under 18/6 light if i pollinate it would the resulting progeny be more likely to herm?
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guest121295
Totally.All the skunk ruderalis around here made some fucked up weak seeds.I honestly don't think you want to do that .Buy some Hollands Hope, it's great for your marshes.
no, they'd be more likely to auto
I have a question, I have made seeds from a stable strain(Maple Leaf Indica) I bought and grew, so what are these seeds? F1 or F2? Were the originals s1? I assume the Sensi breeders keep 1 male and 1 female going forever and take clones to breed from? I guess I will have more genetic variance with these seeds than the ones I bought right?
And what are the seeds called if I breed from the seeds I already made, an F2 and the first ones were F1? The farther I go out from the pure bred seeds I bought, the more genetic variance in the resulting plants? thanks
And what are the seeds called if I breed from the seeds I already made, an F2 and the first ones were F1? The farther I go out from the pure bred seeds I bought, the more genetic variance in the resulting plants? thanks
If i have 1 stable male, & a 2nd male with a 30% variation & I were to cross (either male) it with an autofemale would I get reguler NON-auto seeds? Or would it be a mix?
how many crosses would it take to end up with at least 80/20 %regular/auto seeds?
the autos were freebies, & i like the strain, herer & ak, but i dont want autos in my garden
how many crosses would it take to end up with at least 80/20 %regular/auto seeds?
the autos were freebies, & i like the strain, herer & ak, but i dont want autos in my garden
what does that mean? variation in what?
PistilProphecy
New member
Hey GPB . I gotta question about developing a solid inbred line from some seeds i brought back from belize. I would like to get to the point where my selected traits in the strain are occuring almost 100% .Is my simplest route to cross and cross into itself only selecting those traits or is that not adressing the correct issue of the dominant and recessive factors. Im still trying to wrap my head around this whole system of breeding.
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auto guerilla
this thread is way too long for me to read right thru but I'm trying to find out if you can make feminized seed with colloidal silver from seeds that are also feminized
what's the point...it's already feminised.
At the end of the colloidal silver process plants look like shit...it kills them.
BUT IT STARTS LIKE THIS...AN EX FEMALE
The process works though.
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auto guerilla
the point is so that i can use feminized seeds to make more feminized seeds. just wanted to know if it can be done rather than having to use females of regular stock. So can I?
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auto guerilla
Really no answer...
Nunsacred
Active member
Breeding for beginners?
Hmm. I think it's pointless to drag out mendel's laws and expected ratios.
Most traits have more complex inheritance rules than pea colour, and it's almost certain that Mendel cheated to get his results to fit his predicted ratios.....so even when it IS that simple its still NOT that simple!
Backcrossing the best phenotype(s) is the best plan in most cases, cloning them for further inbreeding to the new seeds again and again.
If someone's really serious about it and can grow hundreds of plants for selection then they should inbreed/backcross at least 2 lines from the pool of stock so that they can cross those together later, to help with vigour once their traits are better fixed.
That's about all the worthwhile advice IMO.
Everything more specific only applies to particular lines or individuals and causes arguments, and most people don't understand anyway...
....and only listen to the bits they do understand.....
Hmm. I think it's pointless to drag out mendel's laws and expected ratios.
Most traits have more complex inheritance rules than pea colour, and it's almost certain that Mendel cheated to get his results to fit his predicted ratios.....so even when it IS that simple its still NOT that simple!
Backcrossing the best phenotype(s) is the best plan in most cases, cloning them for further inbreeding to the new seeds again and again.
If someone's really serious about it and can grow hundreds of plants for selection then they should inbreed/backcross at least 2 lines from the pool of stock so that they can cross those together later, to help with vigour once their traits are better fixed.
That's about all the worthwhile advice IMO.
Everything more specific only applies to particular lines or individuals and causes arguments, and most people don't understand anyway...
....and only listen to the bits they do understand.....
Heya Nun,
While I agree for the most part about Mendelian genetics, it should be said that quantitative genetics follow the same rules, it's (along with varying degrees of dominance) merely a more complex extension of Mendel's work.
I can not agree about backcrossing, and feel it's mostly a wheelspin in regards to cannabis in comparison to other methods. Best used to slightly alter an otherwise highly valuable and mostly homozygous line, of which their are very few in cannabis.
Not saying that cross-overs will not occur and be made available to take advatage of, but for the most part, backcrossing techniques do not lend themself as very valuable to the the current state of the cannabis genepool imo. -T
While I agree for the most part about Mendelian genetics, it should be said that quantitative genetics follow the same rules, it's (along with varying degrees of dominance) merely a more complex extension of Mendel's work.
I can not agree about backcrossing, and feel it's mostly a wheelspin in regards to cannabis in comparison to other methods. Best used to slightly alter an otherwise highly valuable and mostly homozygous line, of which their are very few in cannabis.
Not saying that cross-overs will not occur and be made available to take advatage of, but for the most part, backcrossing techniques do not lend themself as very valuable to the the current state of the cannabis genepool imo. -T
Nunsacred
Active member
Hi Tom,
yes I agree that in the big picture, admixture is best.
I think the most damaging long term effects of intensive farming come from monoculture.....
But most peoples' aims are simple, and as beginners we're likely to be experimenting on a small scale rather than doing proper size test poplns, so expected ratios are misleading for us, and the truth about plant genetics is difficult to grasp even after years of study.
If it comes down to getting close variants of a chosen phenotype, which is what most of us aim for, then inbreeding that individual is the simplest advice and leads to more rewarding results at the beginner level, I think.
Don't mean any disrespect here, Tom,
I just think the advice for noobs should be tailored for them.
The work that serious breeders do is a different matter and I'm grateful someone does it properly!
When someone announces a protocol for DoubledHaploid cannabis, it'll be even more important that someone keeps the diversity going.
Adze
Member
Hello Tom Hill,
It would be most kind of you to offer your opinion on a couple of thoughts. Not sure this is the best place for posting this, if someone were to suggest a better spot I'd be glad to change it.
Everyone who isn’t trying to make seeds is eliminating all obvious males. Isn’t this a stress test of sorts?
Ladies, you tell us, is being deprived of the natural expression of your reproductive processes stressful? I mean this comically, however the idea is serious. This situation repeated thousands of times seems likely to produce lots of bud and a number of seed that are mostly the result of stressed plants (intersex females) producing pollen. Of course, there are lots of ways to get seeds, but isn’t this generally going to steer the gene pool toward plants with that annoying habit?
If this is common knowledge, excuse the new guy.
Do plants that have been partially pollinated ever then go on to produce pollen? What I mean is, if you were to pollinate an early bud, might that inhibit or block any tendency to express male traits later?
It would be most kind of you to offer your opinion on a couple of thoughts. Not sure this is the best place for posting this, if someone were to suggest a better spot I'd be glad to change it.
Everyone who isn’t trying to make seeds is eliminating all obvious males. Isn’t this a stress test of sorts?
Ladies, you tell us, is being deprived of the natural expression of your reproductive processes stressful? I mean this comically, however the idea is serious. This situation repeated thousands of times seems likely to produce lots of bud and a number of seed that are mostly the result of stressed plants (intersex females) producing pollen. Of course, there are lots of ways to get seeds, but isn’t this generally going to steer the gene pool toward plants with that annoying habit?
If this is common knowledge, excuse the new guy.
Do plants that have been partially pollinated ever then go on to produce pollen? What I mean is, if you were to pollinate an early bud, might that inhibit or block any tendency to express male traits later?
