Sgapetti 1,2 sqf cab, 120w cfl, test run

[sgapetti]

Hi to all ,I am starting my third run in a new, smaller cab. As i am new to growing, i am here to learn and hopefully i won't make as many mistakes as my last run. Feel free to stop by and leave a comment.

The cab:
14dx14wx28h, 4x30w cfl, 12 cm fan out, passive intake.


the soil:
seedling:
a light mix with perlite and compost( organic household waste,sand,peat).

after transplant:
40% Own organic compost ( horse manure,organic household waste, peat ) 40% professional organic soil ( cow and chicken manure, kelp powder,sand,clay and peat) bone meal,epson salt. 20% perlite.

The genetics:
Mosca C99 BX1, Nirvana NL and BM, Mandala#1 F2 and Mandala#1/Sam the skunkman freebe .

I will basically try new ways of doing things for me and try to dial in the cab, documenting along the way.
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[HighDesertJoe]

Good Luck
What are your temps like in your box?
your soil scares me a little but I'm growing in Hempy cups so I'll be watching and learning how your doing.

 

[redeyesurprise]

Looks like you're off to a good start with this minicab. How are your ambient temps in there? Do you have any other intake besides the 5 holes in the floor? I'd be a bit worried about the temps without a 2:1 ratio of intake to exhaust. Just my and sorry if I didn't see the total picture. Best of luck with your grow regardless.

 

[bonsai]

Any chance of mounting the lights on a plank of wood with some hanging chain so you can drop them down close when the plants are small? They're going to do their damnedest to stretch up to the light.

 

[sgapetti]

all for stopping by

Good Luck
What are your temps like in your box?
your soil scares me a little but I'm growing in Hempy cups so I'll be watching and learning how your doing.

Atm around 80 F , the soil is very light , prob 30% peat, 20% perlite, about 10% sand/clay and the rest the composted manure

Looks like you're off to a good start with this minicab. How are your ambient temps in there? Do you have any other intake besides the 5 holes in the floor? I'd be a bit worried about the temps without a 2:1 ratio of intake to exhaust. Just my and sorry if I didn't see the total picture. Best of luck with your grow regardless.

Atm 57 F going to about 50 F, by that time i will use 120w, 90 w atm . I am more worried about temps when the light are off, for this reason i build the cab in a bigger cab, about 3 times bigger. At nigth the fan will be off as well, hopefully the warmer air in the bigger cab will prevent temps dropping to much.

Any chance of mounting the lights on a plank of wood with some hanging chain so you can drop them down close when the plants are small? They're going to do their damnedest to stretch up to the light.

the middle shelf is adjustable, the top of the plants will be within 2 inches all the time .

 

[Shumway]

Pulling up a seat for this 1

Be nice to see how this cab works for you as i have an almost identical cab i built (1.4sqf) for a short stuff #1 grow using 149 watts mixed cfl.

 

[sgapetti]

the germination method

the germination method

Pulling up a seat for this 1

Be nice to see how this cab works for you as i have an almost identical cab i built (1.4sqf) for a short stuff #1 grow using 149 watts mixed cfl.

Welcome Shumway, nice to have you here



12 hours in water, about 24 hours max in wet paper towel in a cd case held upright so that roots develop strait downward, then in the soil where there is a better O2 environment.Temps around 80 F all the way

 

[Mister_D]

Just a little late to the party but i'm here buddy. Got my bucket and my , on with the show.

P.S. Check your pm's....

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

Nice!
I'd drill some more intake holes but other than that it looks versatile as hell.
Are you going to run a scrubber on the outside? They tend to stink at 7 weeks of flower.

 

[sgapetti]

Just a little late to the party but i'm here buddy. Got my bucket and my , on with the show.

P.S. Check your pm's....

Welcome my friend , nice to have you here

Nice!
I'd drill some more intake holes but other than that it looks versatile as hell.
Are you going to run a scrubber on the outside? They tend to stink at 7 weeks of flower.

Thank you for stopping by Sgt.Stedenko.
I may do that if temps go up to much . I don't use a scrubber.

 

[sgapetti]

And there will be life

And there will be life

The seedlings:




3xC99 BX1
2xNirvana NL
2xNirvana BM
5xMandala#1F2 ( Sativa pheno mom )
2xMandala#1XSam the skunkman freebe (sts mom, very dank and potent )

I will be more specific about the cross when i choose the females.
They were soaked and planted successively starting the 23 Sept, 4 days before the new moon, as i am interested in planting by moon calender.I will switch to 12/12 tonight, Some have been in veg 24/0 for 5 days / BM,C99bx1 and NL, 2 days for the rest.

The daily feeding schedules started yesterday :
I basically ask my Buddy Mister_D for suggestions and we came up to start between 6ml and 9ml x gallon
of Biobizz fish mix and try to find the sweet spot.

I quote our conversation about it as we both want to spread as much info as possible :
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgapetti
I have started a new run , a little question for you: how old are your seedling when you feed them the first time?
I will be feeding them very light with biobizz fish mix.
thank you in advance
Sgapetti

Mister_D:
First off thanks for the heads up on the new thread, looking forward to the show. Now to answer you question.
I feed (at full strength, i.e 6/9 ratio in coco or whatever recipe i'm using based off media type) the first
time I soak the media for the seed to be planted (usually start them in beer cups just like my clones).
I continue to feed at everywatering, unless a plant shows signs of burn. If I notice burn I give a single plain
ph'd water feeding then adjust the nute recipe so it is slightly weaker. If I was using soil/less instead of coco
and using fish mix I would use 9ml per gal. at every watering from intially planting the seed until the begining of flower.
Now here's the tricky part, you have compost (contains nutrients) mixed into you media.
This being the case you will want to start with plain ph'd water and continue until the plant has used
up the nutes in the compost and is asking for more food (yellowing of the bottom leaves) When you notice
the slightest bit of yellowing begin feeding the fish mix at every watering. 9ml fish mix creates almost
exactly the same ratio I used for years with biobizz grow. You may find due to your enviroment you need only
6ml per gal., but start with 9ml. If you notice burning leaf tips back off to 6ml. The nice thing about
feeding consistant but weaker nutes is burning is always very minor and easily adjusted before alot of
damage has occurred. Hope that makes sense, if not just pm me and i'll clarify.



Sgapetti:
First of all,thank you my friend, i appreciate it. This is against everything i have been reading about not to feed seedlings to soon,etc,
but it make sense to me.I have a different mix for the seedlings,some compost without manure , very light ,i start to feed them after
your suggestion,i will quote the pm as I like to discuss this as I document the grow, if is ok for you, as this is good info
for a lot of people out there searching .[/quote]

Mister_D
As for feeding too seeds too soon, it all depends on if your media has nutes in it already or not.
Many commerically available mixes have "starter nutes added" which allow you to not have to feed for
a week or so. Even with most of those types of soil I still feed right away, or just give the intial
soaking as plain ph'd water then give nutes from there on out. However for ease and control I prefer
inert medias. I don't know anybody that can drop a seed in media with no ferts and keep it alive with
just water for a week. I think alot of people just don't know there soil has some nute content already
(i.e from compost or wormcastings etc.), so they assume the seed is using it's reserves. Since you are
using an inert media for you seedlings begin by feeding at 6-9ml per gal. (nute strength is dependent on
your enviroment, mostly light intensity). You may find that 6ml works better for you or you may find it
is just bearly not enough and that 9ml is the sweet spot, again all dependant on your enviroment and strains.
Both are weak enough that you don't have to worry about killing anything, unless you ignore burn and keep feeding anyway.
When you transplant into the compost mix feed at 6ml per gal and watch your plants.
The reason I recommend 6ml is because I have no idea how rich in nutes you compost is, but either way
it will contribute some nute content. Ultimately the 6-9ml is a base to work off of, watch your plants
and let them tell you what they like best. You can always post leaf pictures if you want my advice on
weather to go stronger or weaker with the nutes. Feel free to post these pm's in your thread.
I was considering answering you in the thread anyway, just to spread the knowledge.

Other than that , critique, suggestions or questions are welcome

 

[Secrecy]

mini sog i love it!

 

[sgapetti]

The ligths

The ligths

for stopping by Secrecy.

Atm 2x30 w 2700k and 2x 30w 4000k while maturing and showing sex ,flo ligths will be 3x30w 2700k and 1x30w 4000k as i have seen high production in micro grows with some mix spectrum in flo.


I am going for a single soil container, 13,5x13,5 and because i will have different heights on the plants i will cut the bottom of the containers in use now, for the short indica , and try to keep a more even canopy by using the double potting technique by BOG.

Other than that stay safe and keep it green

 

[micronewb]

watching this one

 

[sgapetti]

day 2 of 12/12

day 2 of 12/12

Temps cab min 64 max 80
Temps ambient min 64 max 68
They are on the second day of 12/12, feed them 2 days ago with 6ml/gallon biobizz fish mix
with some water runoff,and covered topsoil with some lava rocks to avoid drying to fast but mainly because
now, beeing the topsoil undisturbed , i will get roots growing there as well.

Keep it green and stay safe

 

[micronewb]

looking good

 

[sgapetti]

looking good

for stopping by micronewb , i will update with a new image every 3 days

 

[Mister_D]

Just checking in, everything looks great. Might add i'm very jealous of your c99's, always wanted to grow that strain....... one of these days i'll get to it. What breeder did they come from?

 

[sgapetti]

Just checking in, everything looks great. Might add i'm very jealous of your c99's, always wanted to grow that strain....... one of these days i'll get to it. What breeder did they come from?

The plants are doing great and reacted well to the feeding schedule you suggested.

Is a Mosca C99 BX1, i will love to see her in yours hand, it should be interesting for you to read this thread C99 BXI - Trying to find the Holy Grail
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=207222

 

[Mister_D]

Glad to hear your seeds took to my recommended feeding. Not that I expected any different, but always good to see it working in another growers hands. Was reading a thread earlier today by a grower using the same ratio with the biobizz. His/her buds looked fantastic. I'd link you to the thread but i'm not sure which it was, i've done a ton of reading today. Something I came across while studying CMH bulbs, and lighting spectrum, etc. I have recently been almost convinced to change up my thoughts on larger wattage bulbs. Current research is leading me to think I could do better with two or three vertically stacked 400's in place of a 600 covering the same ~6'x6' area. Considering selling most/all of my equipment at the big garden to my partner, and buying 8-12 400w's. He offered to buy it all yesterday so he doesn't have to buy new and resetup when the current crop finishes. Odd how things work out sometimes..... Depends on what information I can gather from the community. I know 600's work very well, but i'm always looking to produce better quality and quantity. I aspire to able to pull 3lbs from a 5x5-6x6 area like heath robinson. I'm at 2.5lbs right now, but short of going back to hydro i'm running out of options to max out a given area. Heath gets 3lbs off a single 600 in that space, so I think i'll start with two 400's and see what happens. If I still can't hit 3lbs after a few runs i'll revisit hydro. This is of course after sealing and completely dialing the room. Also provided my research leads me to believe it is really a better use of my space. I keep coming back to seeing 50+ 400w light grows in the netherlands. I was too ignorant to ask why the 400's at that time, but the dutch are way ahead in the horticultural field. Perhaps they are on to something? Intuition tells me yes, but I need hard scientific evidence to satisfy my mind.

Ok seems i'm having a long winded day today Just read the first page of that c99 grow you linked. Holy shit that is a wet dream for me. Thanks buddy, i'll definitely be devouring that one. Looking forward to the day i'm ready to embark on some breeding and proper selection myself. I have several jars of landrace bag seeds collected over 20 years ago from mexico, jamaica, thailand, and afghanistan. They have been stored in a freezer for most of their lives, so I hope at least a couple are still viable. Also have a decent collection of pure haze seeds from various breeders. As well as sam's thai haze x skunk cross. I spoke with sam about these beans and he assures me the f2's and beyond will net some very haze influenced plants. Several grows on here convinced me it won't take many generations to find the pure haze specimens i'm seeking. Sam also made some very interesting suggestions for routes I could take to achieve my breeding goals . Ok before I completely jack your thread i'll stop. Smoking something called thai flyer that has my thoughts flowing like water from the kitchen sink.